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The point is that you seem to be defending this unspoken rule, which is detrimental to the rules and ultimately hurts people trying to be competitive against Star Yamaha, Team Green, etc. There is NO reason why these bikes should cost that much.
Yes, you and Steve keep saying he should get the bike, only because that's in the rule.
No one is calling out these teams for having such expensive, pro-level bikes at an amateur race in the first place. If we want our sport to grow, this is a big issue we must address. If you want to have an unspoken rule, make it about how even the best teams will keep things somewhat fair compared to non-sponsored riders.
Having such exotic bikes hurts both the team and the rider.
1. Now the whole moto industry knows that Star bikes are pretty much pro bikes (with few differences). How's that help sell Yamahas? It not only gives them a bad look, but it puts an asterisk next to their wins.
2. How does racing a "pro" bike help the rider when it's time to move up to the pros and suddenly everyone's on a fast bike? It doesn't, at all.
This whole thing is so stupid, but the worst part is how everyone's focused on the wrong issue.
The internet mob has decided who the bad guys are, and they will not be swayed. You have a completely logical point of view. The reality is the kid is fucked if the claim stands, there is no official black ball list but potential sponsors and teams would look at him with a sideways eye. The reality is even withdrawing the claim the kid has an uphill battle in this sport. You are spot on in your take. You are expressing the reality of the situation even if it sucks.
P.S. They should have went to me when Preston was on about the 350. I have actual numbers of participation at events. Not to mention suggestions to get a good displacement without too much engineering.
I get some people don't agree that it should be a level playing field. Get rid of the rule, up it to 5x MSRP, do whatever.
I don't agree but hey I am just a nobody waiting for his next trophy. OK, OK I will drive to Columbus to get my trophy.
The Shop
Hahahahhahahaha
The fact is someone in all the relative parties is lying about how it all went down and we will never know. Why can't people accept it and move on?
The standard 1.3 claiming rule is ridiculous because I could blow right by the 1.3 value of my KTM 350 I had to buy when I sold my 15 YZ250FX just with cone valve forks. The claiming rule has already come up in an FTR post and I'm sure we will be addressing it as an organization.
As far as blackballing, some of you guys should watch for something you don't like at work and sue your company. Tell me how that works out for you.
dbl that
2023 Claim = $17,198
Seems to me that the intent of the rule is to keep racing affordable for MORE people...
It's NOT to protect those that build the complete race-bikes or make the aftermarket parts (that's me) or build engines or make a pipe or build custom suspension...it -is not- to protect them.
The intent is to KEEP THE COST OF RACING REASONABLE...notably...in the Modified and other classes where we seem to turn our "B" riders into Factory Stars.
So,"Why isn't $17,200 ENOUGH?!"
Answer: I think it is.
Well, I think you get "the real point"...People...sometimes Factory Teams/Support Teams ARE spending too much damn money on these Amateur Race Bikes. Even Mitch Payton has made that point.
Look, I get the simple fact that a Ti-Carbon pipe is $1,300. I know that a mod'd engine isn't cheap! I know that far too many of the bikes on the line at LL's have waaaaaaay more than $8,600 in mods invested in them.
And THAT is the problem.
Declaration: I make some of the stuff that's on some of the most expensive parts that people buy for their bikes. So, I get it. But, we need real limits and they need to be "good for the sport".
Soooooo many of these amateur bikes would be reasonable if we -actually- enforce this rule as it is currently written.
Here's an easy example:
$2,000 Suspension including re-springing
$1,300 Ti-Carbon Pipe
$1,000 ECU with tune
$4,000 Engine Build
$8,300 Total
This is an example of a pseudo-reasonable build. Far too many people are gonna chime in and say,"That's not enough for an engine build!"
And THAT is the problem.
There are going to be arguments over what things on my list are needed...or not...and then there;s going to be other points made about allll the other stuff people put on their bikes from Nihilo Ti Pegs ($800!) to their custom graphics.
All of which STILL makes the point.
Lower the cost.
Level the playing field or at the very least, make it a bit more reasonable.
This is, supposedly, Amateur Racing.
Steve, you of all people...would probably LOVE (and I'd bet even get involved with) a "YZ250 Invitational" where every rider is on a production bike with very few, if any, mods...let's say...something that really makes sense and partly because it's "soooo reasonable"...
Suspension (Revalved/Resprung STOCK)
A pipe/silencer
Jetting
Fuel
Tires
Seat
Bars
Grips
Levers
And let's say it, out-loud, so that we all understand what we really dig about that...
It get's us back to what this sport is all about: The Racing.
"Son, I think its time we get one of the big dogs bikes and see what it's all about!"
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Pit Row
You really need to listen back with an unbiased opinion. You might feel inside your way, but it was definitely portrayed way differently on the show.
I feel going into to the show Steve definitely had a narrative to wanted to push.
Either way it’s a PR disaster for most involved.
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