Expansion of the IRS

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Pretty easy to see what we value as a country. MONEY. Do not tell me we can't afford school security. You have $80 billion going to the IRS. Ukraine has received over $100 billion dollars to date.

No money for a border wall. No money for school security. No money to help vets and the homeless. No money for mental illness.

But hey, what's another $80 billion.....

The Senate on Sunday passed the Inflation Reduction Act, which includes an $80 billion boost to the IRS over a 10-year period, with more than half intended to help the agency crack down on tax evasion. The agency could afford an additional 87,000 employees – more than doubling its current size – with that amount, the Biden administration projected last year.
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TXDirt wrote:
Pretty easy to see what we value as a country. MONEY. Do not tell me we can't afford school security. You have $80 billion going to...
Pretty easy to see what we value as a country. MONEY. Do not tell me we can't afford school security. You have $80 billion going to the IRS. Ukraine has received over $100 billion dollars to date.

No money for a border wall. No money for school security. No money to help vets and the homeless. No money for mental illness.

But hey, what's another $80 billion.....

The Senate on Sunday passed the Inflation Reduction Act, which includes an $80 billion boost to the IRS over a 10-year period, with more than half intended to help the agency crack down on tax evasion. The agency could afford an additional 87,000 employees – more than doubling its current size – with that amount, the Biden administration projected last year.
And about half of that is going to enforcement which includes rifles and a ludicrous amount of them.
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8/9/2022 7:45am
A quick google search says tax evasion amounts to anywhere between 90B and 1T dollars PER YEAR. Cracking down on that would more than cover this investment into the IRS. I suppose the arguement then shifts to whether you think the IRS is competent enough to get the job done, making more money available for other issues
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8/9/2022 7:46am Edited Date/Time 8/9/2022 7:49am
TXDirt wrote:
Pretty easy to see what we value as a country. MONEY. Do not tell me we can't afford school security. You have $80 billion going to...
Pretty easy to see what we value as a country. MONEY. Do not tell me we can't afford school security. You have $80 billion going to the IRS. Ukraine has received over $100 billion dollars to date.

No money for a border wall. No money for school security. No money to help vets and the homeless. No money for mental illness.

But hey, what's another $80 billion.....

The Senate on Sunday passed the Inflation Reduction Act, which includes an $80 billion boost to the IRS over a 10-year period, with more than half intended to help the agency crack down on tax evasion. The agency could afford an additional 87,000 employees – more than doubling its current size – with that amount, the Biden administration projected last year.
the dirty secret to our monetary system is that we need to keep expanding our debt, otherwise we will fall into deflationary cycle. deflation in of itself is not necessarily bad, but it is when you have large amounts of debt.

the government will continue to force deficit spending on anything it can get away with, as it gives them power to spend, expand and gain more control while also making the existing debt easier to pay.

since we cut all ties to the gold standard in the early seventies, our debt has roughly doubled every 10 years - think about what that means.... we have to create a lot of debt.
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Sunnyside wrote:
A quick google search says tax evasion amounts to anywhere between 90B and 1T dollars PER YEAR. Cracking down on that would more than cover this...
A quick google search says tax evasion amounts to anywhere between 90B and 1T dollars PER YEAR. Cracking down on that would more than cover this investment into the IRS. I suppose the arguement then shifts to whether you think the IRS is competent enough to get the job done, making more money available for other issues
I can't think of an anything the government does that is ever revenue neutral, let alone revenue positive.

Anytime you hear "projection"..... you know it's all bullshit.

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8/9/2022 7:55am
Sunnyside wrote:
A quick google search says tax evasion amounts to anywhere between 90B and 1T dollars PER YEAR. Cracking down on that would more than cover this...
A quick google search says tax evasion amounts to anywhere between 90B and 1T dollars PER YEAR. Cracking down on that would more than cover this investment into the IRS. I suppose the arguement then shifts to whether you think the IRS is competent enough to get the job done, making more money available for other issues
how about we simplify the tax code? that way we could capture the missing revenue, and wouldn't need a bunch of armed IRS agents harassing small businesses..

maybe the government could also do a better job at spending our $$.
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Yeah, the IRS needs to be abolished. A simple tax code.
Do I think a bloated Federal agency tasked with collecting billions from everyone with no oversight and now buying weapons and ammo while being granted massive expansion is likely to be detrimental to its original responsibility?
Fuck yes
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THE FAIR TAX!!!
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8/9/2022 10:07am Edited Date/Time 8/9/2022 10:08am
Tax tax tax, The "monkey pox stays on paper money so digital only soon" plan is coming together so they can get every last tax cent from you and then have the power to shut down your account or just take it at will if they want.
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8/9/2022 10:11am Edited Date/Time 8/9/2022 10:11am
I keep hearing, "Oh but each time the dems ran the deficit got smaller," yea dummies because they raised taxes on the citizens and made life harder for the average citizen but the deficit derp.
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8/9/2022 11:07am
TXDirt wrote:
Pretty easy to see what we value as a country. MONEY. Do not tell me we can't afford school security. You have $80 billion going to...
Pretty easy to see what we value as a country. MONEY. Do not tell me we can't afford school security. You have $80 billion going to the IRS. Ukraine has received over $100 billion dollars to date.

No money for a border wall. No money for school security. No money to help vets and the homeless. No money for mental illness.

But hey, what's another $80 billion.....

The Senate on Sunday passed the Inflation Reduction Act, which includes an $80 billion boost to the IRS over a 10-year period, with more than half intended to help the agency crack down on tax evasion. The agency could afford an additional 87,000 employees – more than doubling its current size – with that amount, the Biden administration projected last year.
Mental health expansion is impossible with the current structure of privatized health insurance and lack of medical infrastructure in the US.
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8/9/2022 11:36am
TXDirt wrote:
Pretty easy to see what we value as a country. MONEY. Do not tell me we can't afford school security. You have $80 billion going to...
Pretty easy to see what we value as a country. MONEY. Do not tell me we can't afford school security. You have $80 billion going to the IRS. Ukraine has received over $100 billion dollars to date.

No money for a border wall. No money for school security. No money to help vets and the homeless. No money for mental illness.

But hey, what's another $80 billion.....

The Senate on Sunday passed the Inflation Reduction Act, which includes an $80 billion boost to the IRS over a 10-year period, with more than half intended to help the agency crack down on tax evasion. The agency could afford an additional 87,000 employees – more than doubling its current size – with that amount, the Biden administration projected last year.
Mental health expansion is impossible with the current structure of privatized health insurance and lack of medical infrastructure in the US.
They spent TRILLIONS to pay people to stay home during the Panickdemic and well into 2022: yet, they can't spend $ on mental health?

Really?

Tell me more.

While we're here: where's the actual "Inflation Prevention" in their Inflation Recovery Act? Whistling
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8/9/2022 11:44am
TXDirt wrote:
Pretty easy to see what we value as a country. MONEY. Do not tell me we can't afford school security. You have $80 billion going to...
Pretty easy to see what we value as a country. MONEY. Do not tell me we can't afford school security. You have $80 billion going to the IRS. Ukraine has received over $100 billion dollars to date.

No money for a border wall. No money for school security. No money to help vets and the homeless. No money for mental illness.

But hey, what's another $80 billion.....

The Senate on Sunday passed the Inflation Reduction Act, which includes an $80 billion boost to the IRS over a 10-year period, with more than half intended to help the agency crack down on tax evasion. The agency could afford an additional 87,000 employees – more than doubling its current size – with that amount, the Biden administration projected last year.
Mental health expansion is impossible with the current structure of privatized health insurance and lack of medical infrastructure in the US.
TeamGreen wrote:
They spent TRILLIONS to pay people to stay home during the Panickdemic and well into 2022: yet, they can't spend $ on mental health? Really? Tell...
They spent TRILLIONS to pay people to stay home during the Panickdemic and well into 2022: yet, they can't spend $ on mental health?

Really?

Tell me more.

While we're here: where's the actual "Inflation Prevention" in their Inflation Recovery Act? Whistling
GOP won't allow any expansion of healthcare. The only way to expand mental health is the same way we need to fix regular healthcare which is with a national healthcare system i.e. medicare for all.
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8/9/2022 11:56am Edited Date/Time 8/9/2022 12:41pm

I have been passing this giant place for years and my daughter studies and tracks the invasive spinytail lizards on the property for FGCU. It's a mental health istittute that was shut down like all the rest when the government realized it costs money to hold all these mental health patients in there but they make money off feeding them pills. So they let them all out and profit off the pills and now they all have kids that vote and here we are.
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"Nothing to see here folks"

Me? I'm still over here stocking up as quick as possible on the 3-Fs..... Food, Fuel, Firewood.
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Mental health expansion is impossible with the current structure of privatized health insurance and lack of medical infrastructure in the US.
TeamGreen wrote:
They spent TRILLIONS to pay people to stay home during the Panickdemic and well into 2022: yet, they can't spend $ on mental health? Really? Tell...
They spent TRILLIONS to pay people to stay home during the Panickdemic and well into 2022: yet, they can't spend $ on mental health?

Really?

Tell me more.

While we're here: where's the actual "Inflation Prevention" in their Inflation Recovery Act? Whistling
GOP won't allow any expansion of healthcare. The only way to expand mental health is the same way we need to fix regular healthcare which is...
GOP won't allow any expansion of healthcare. The only way to expand mental health is the same way we need to fix regular healthcare which is with a national healthcare system i.e. medicare for all.
Your peeps have The House, The Senate & THE WHITE HOUSE.

And, what do they do? They EMPOWER the IRS.

Classic, Bro!
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LungButter wrote:
"Nothing to see here folks"

Me? I'm still over here stocking up as quick as possible on the 3-Fs..... Food, Fuel, Firewood.
Horses, Guns and Money (Gold and other things that will become currency) Cheerful
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The IRS expansion is going to allow the government to target Venmo/cash apps. That's the main reason this is happening now.
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Mental health expansion is impossible with the current structure of privatized health insurance and lack of medical infrastructure in the US.
TeamGreen wrote:
They spent TRILLIONS to pay people to stay home during the Panickdemic and well into 2022: yet, they can't spend $ on mental health? Really? Tell...
They spent TRILLIONS to pay people to stay home during the Panickdemic and well into 2022: yet, they can't spend $ on mental health?

Really?

Tell me more.

While we're here: where's the actual "Inflation Prevention" in their Inflation Recovery Act? Whistling
GOP won't allow any expansion of healthcare. The only way to expand mental health is the same way we need to fix regular healthcare which is...
GOP won't allow any expansion of healthcare. The only way to expand mental health is the same way we need to fix regular healthcare which is with a national healthcare system i.e. medicare for all.
WTF are you talking about? Health care was addressed years ago, cost billions, restructured the entire system, laws were passed to make sure it went into effect. It's called ObamaCare.
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TeamGreen wrote:
They spent TRILLIONS to pay people to stay home during the Panickdemic and well into 2022: yet, they can't spend $ on mental health? Really? Tell...
They spent TRILLIONS to pay people to stay home during the Panickdemic and well into 2022: yet, they can't spend $ on mental health?

Really?

Tell me more.

While we're here: where's the actual "Inflation Prevention" in their Inflation Recovery Act? Whistling
GOP won't allow any expansion of healthcare. The only way to expand mental health is the same way we need to fix regular healthcare which is...
GOP won't allow any expansion of healthcare. The only way to expand mental health is the same way we need to fix regular healthcare which is with a national healthcare system i.e. medicare for all.
whyZ wrote:
WTF are you talking about? Health care was addressed years ago, cost billions, restructured the entire system, laws were passed to make sure it went into...
WTF are you talking about? Health care was addressed years ago, cost billions, restructured the entire system, laws were passed to make sure it went into effect. It's called ObamaCare.
You won’t get an answer because he has no idea what he’s talking about. I don’t know one person who doesn’t have health insurance/coverage of some sort. If you work and make money you have insurance, if you don’t work and live off the government you have free health care, if you cross into the country illegally you have free healthcare. So where is the lack of healthcare in this country?
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8/10/2022 8:59am
TeamGreen wrote:
Your peeps have The House, The Senate & THE WHITE HOUSE.

And, what do they do? They EMPOWER the IRS.

Classic, Bro!
Blue dogs are the GOP
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TeamGreen wrote:
They spent TRILLIONS to pay people to stay home during the Panickdemic and well into 2022: yet, they can't spend $ on mental health? Really? Tell...
They spent TRILLIONS to pay people to stay home during the Panickdemic and well into 2022: yet, they can't spend $ on mental health?

Really?

Tell me more.

While we're here: where's the actual "Inflation Prevention" in their Inflation Recovery Act? Whistling
GOP won't allow any expansion of healthcare. The only way to expand mental health is the same way we need to fix regular healthcare which is...
GOP won't allow any expansion of healthcare. The only way to expand mental health is the same way we need to fix regular healthcare which is with a national healthcare system i.e. medicare for all.
whyZ wrote:
WTF are you talking about? Health care was addressed years ago, cost billions, restructured the entire system, laws were passed to make sure it went into...
WTF are you talking about? Health care was addressed years ago, cost billions, restructured the entire system, laws were passed to make sure it went into effect. It's called ObamaCare.
The affordable care aka obamacare act is a right wing health care platform which is why it doesn't work very well
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GOP won't allow any expansion of healthcare. The only way to expand mental health is the same way we need to fix regular healthcare which is...
GOP won't allow any expansion of healthcare. The only way to expand mental health is the same way we need to fix regular healthcare which is with a national healthcare system i.e. medicare for all.
whyZ wrote:
WTF are you talking about? Health care was addressed years ago, cost billions, restructured the entire system, laws were passed to make sure it went into...
WTF are you talking about? Health care was addressed years ago, cost billions, restructured the entire system, laws were passed to make sure it went into effect. It's called ObamaCare.
The affordable care aka obamacare act is a right wing health care platform which is why it doesn't work very well
You must be dyslexic, Konkey Dong. You have it backwards.
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GOP won't allow any expansion of healthcare. The only way to expand mental health is the same way we need to fix regular healthcare which is...
GOP won't allow any expansion of healthcare. The only way to expand mental health is the same way we need to fix regular healthcare which is with a national healthcare system i.e. medicare for all.
whyZ wrote:
WTF are you talking about? Health care was addressed years ago, cost billions, restructured the entire system, laws were passed to make sure it went into...
WTF are you talking about? Health care was addressed years ago, cost billions, restructured the entire system, laws were passed to make sure it went into effect. It's called ObamaCare.
The affordable care aka obamacare act is a right wing health care platform which is why it doesn't work very well
Wait? Barrack Obama...hence, Obama-care...

He's a Right Winger?

Hey! I -DID NOT- get that memo!

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The guns and ammo the IRS bought is scary. The 86k or whatever the number new IRS personnel Biden or whoever behind the curtain wants to hire, may end up not IRS if I had to guess. I think it will end up being a National police force like Barack Obama wanted to put in place but couldn’t make it happen.
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First off, where are they going to find 86k people actually wanting to work. Where are they going to find 86k people who can correctly interpret the current tax codes. But it will be amazing how the legislature will able to go though all the appropriated money, and probably not even have a 1/4 of the 86k new hires. And all they'll have to show for it will be crowded court rooms with CPA's that know the tax laws defending their clients.
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8/10/2022 10:05am
whyZ wrote:
WTF are you talking about? Health care was addressed years ago, cost billions, restructured the entire system, laws were passed to make sure it went into...
WTF are you talking about? Health care was addressed years ago, cost billions, restructured the entire system, laws were passed to make sure it went into effect. It's called ObamaCare.
The affordable care aka obamacare act is a right wing health care platform which is why it doesn't work very well
Gworm wrote:
You must be dyslexic, Konkey Dong. You have it backwards.
It was quite literally generated by a right wing think tank in the 80s. Left wing healthcare would include a public option or an outright nationalized system. You don't understand.
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8/10/2022 10:06am
whyZ wrote:
WTF are you talking about? Health care was addressed years ago, cost billions, restructured the entire system, laws were passed to make sure it went into...
WTF are you talking about? Health care was addressed years ago, cost billions, restructured the entire system, laws were passed to make sure it went into effect. It's called ObamaCare.
The affordable care aka obamacare act is a right wing health care platform which is why it doesn't work very well
TeamGreen wrote:
Wait? Barrack Obama...hence, Obama-care...

He's a Right Winger?

Hey! I -DID NOT- get that memo!

It's because you don't understand neo-liberal politics are right of center right
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8/10/2022 11:06am
The affordable care aka obamacare act is a right wing health care platform which is why it doesn't work very well
Gworm wrote:
You must be dyslexic, Konkey Dong. You have it backwards.
It was quite literally generated by a right wing think tank in the 80s. Left wing healthcare would include a public option or an outright nationalized...
It was quite literally generated by a right wing think tank in the 80s. Left wing healthcare would include a public option or an outright nationalized system. You don't understand.
It was quite literally written, introduced as legislation and passed by Democrats in the house and senate and signed into law by a democrat president (ZERO republican votes).

It's ok to not know things, but you don't have to tell everyone you don't know things.
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8/10/2022 11:33am
Gworm wrote:
You must be dyslexic, Konkey Dong. You have it backwards.
It was quite literally generated by a right wing think tank in the 80s. Left wing healthcare would include a public option or an outright nationalized...
It was quite literally generated by a right wing think tank in the 80s. Left wing healthcare would include a public option or an outright nationalized system. You don't understand.
vet323 wrote:
It was quite literally written, introduced as legislation and passed by Democrats in the house and senate and signed into law by a democrat president (ZERO...
It was quite literally written, introduced as legislation and passed by Democrats in the house and senate and signed into law by a democrat president (ZERO republican votes).

It's ok to not know things, but you don't have to tell everyone you don't know things.
Dude just google it like i just did. It's not that hard.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/10/20/how-a-conservativ…

GOP rejects everything democrats do. GOP says they support veterans but they just all voted against the burn pit act until they were shamed into passing it. You don't understand how politics operates. It's all bullshit and a lot of it isn't logical but you have to learn how the bullshit flows.

It was the same with Merrick Garland and the supreme court. GOP had him as a favorable candidate in years prior for the court but then when Obama appointed him as a nominee they all pushed back against it. Especially when it coming from a black guy they're defiantly going to push back. Like you realize none of the elected GOP actually though Obama wasn't born in the US they were just peddling racist conspiracy theory to terrify the base like they always do with the irrational fear of immigration.
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