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8/4/2022 4:55am Edited Date/Time 8/4/2022 4:56am
Wasnt the monster cup on a similar premise to this ?

Sounds like another cash cow for the US market. Unless It travels internationally it’s not a world championship, the winner won’t be seen as a global superstar like an MXGP champion.

Sx & Mx require different bike set ups, so it’s got to be one of the other.

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Exactly my point, that's why holding it all in one country won't allow that to happen, as not everyone in the world is American.....
DonM wrote:
Yeah.....ok....must be only Americans racing in America....so I get it races with midlevel and retired racers (mostly American) traveling the world is worthy of world championship...
Yeah.....ok....must be only Americans racing in America....so I get it races with midlevel and retired racers (mostly American) traveling the world is worthy of world championship status but the best racers in the world (from all over the world) competing in one country are not worthy of that status because they don't leave the country.....so its all about where you go and not who you race or how good you are....got it....
When was the last time a team with mostly USA-based riders won the MXDN? It's a big world out there, you should have a look around.
WTF are you talking about??? what exactly does that have to do with SX?
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Exactly my point, that's why holding it all in one country won't allow that to happen, as not everyone in the world is American.....
DonM wrote:
Yeah.....ok....must be only Americans racing in America....so I get it races with midlevel and retired racers (mostly American) traveling the world is worthy of world championship...
Yeah.....ok....must be only Americans racing in America....so I get it races with midlevel and retired racers (mostly American) traveling the world is worthy of world championship status but the best racers in the world (from all over the world) competing in one country are not worthy of that status because they don't leave the country.....so its all about where you go and not who you race or how good you are....got it....
CPR wrote:
So you honestly think it’s legitimate to have a world championship title that only riders from a single national championship can enter?
So you honestly think it's legitimate to have a world championship that the riders from that world championship would find it hard to finish in the top ten in as you call it "a single national championship"....kind of makes that world championship a little hollow....
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Well it needs to be a world tour then as far as im concerned.. and i'm american. We tout were the best, were the best.. but...
Well it needs to be a world tour then as far as im concerned.. and i'm american.

We tout were the best, were the best.. but never fucking leave home and prove it in other locations.

(Nor has a promoter done it, and don't give me those bullshit canada rounds the fim tried to stick on)
Why? Why does it matter where a race is held? Who is in the race is all that matters to me.

I know bad mouthing America and Americans is cool to some people but it isn’t to me.
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DonM wrote:
Yeah.....ok....must be only Americans racing in America....so I get it races with midlevel and retired racers (mostly American) traveling the world is worthy of world championship...
Yeah.....ok....must be only Americans racing in America....so I get it races with midlevel and retired racers (mostly American) traveling the world is worthy of world championship status but the best racers in the world (from all over the world) competing in one country are not worthy of that status because they don't leave the country.....so its all about where you go and not who you race or how good you are....got it....
CPR wrote:
So you honestly think it’s legitimate to have a world championship title that only riders from a single national championship can enter?
DonM wrote:
So you honestly think it's legitimate to have a world championship that the riders from that world championship would find it hard to finish in the...
So you honestly think it's legitimate to have a world championship that the riders from that world championship would find it hard to finish in the top ten in as you call it "a single national championship"....kind of makes that world championship a little hollow....
Pssst, Don?

Dude, we -know- which series will have the true Champions in it. That’s all that matters.

FTR, I love this New Championship. I’m thinking Blue Plate with a Gold Number 1…?
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CPR wrote:
So you honestly think it’s legitimate to have a world championship title that only riders from a single national championship can enter?
DonM wrote:
So you honestly think it's legitimate to have a world championship that the riders from that world championship would find it hard to finish in the...
So you honestly think it's legitimate to have a world championship that the riders from that world championship would find it hard to finish in the top ten in as you call it "a single national championship"....kind of makes that world championship a little hollow....
TeamGreen wrote:
Pssst, Don? Dude, we -know- which series will have the true Champions in it. That’s all that matters. FTR, I love this New Championship. I’m thinking...
Pssst, Don?

Dude, we -know- which series will have the true Champions in it. That’s all that matters.

FTR, I love this New Championship. I’m thinking Blue Plate with a Gold Number 1…?
Bringing back some Jeff Stanton and David Bailey vibes....of course when DB had it it was Blue with white....
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prozach wrote:
Pretty awesome! To bad the last two SX champions are SX only now. Hopefully this helps to change their and future rider's mind!s Even though winning...
Pretty awesome! To bad the last two SX champions are SX only now. Hopefully this helps to change their and future rider's mind!s Even though winning the sx championship would still give you enough points to be top 22 mx/SX combined probably and therefore qualify for the SuperMotocross championship.
Without looking, hard to tell since there is potential to score a lot more outdoors....but they will only race 11 rounds outdoors now, so you are probably right. 22 motos vs 17 SX's.
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8/4/2022 9:02am Edited Date/Time 8/4/2022 9:06am
Motodave15 wrote:
Well it needs to be a world tour then as far as im concerned.. and i'm american. We tout were the best, were the best.. but...
Well it needs to be a world tour then as far as im concerned.. and i'm american.

We tout were the best, were the best.. but never fucking leave home and prove it in other locations.

(Nor has a promoter done it, and don't give me those bullshit canada rounds the fim tried to stick on)
731chopper wrote:
Why? Why does it matter where a race is held? Who is in the race is all that matters to me. I know bad mouthing America...
Why? Why does it matter where a race is held? Who is in the race is all that matters to me.

I know bad mouthing America and Americans is cool to some people but it isn’t to me.
I'm not bad mouthing anything, its in my opinion its disingenuous to claim World Championship, When you race in one location.

Sure who races matters... But there would be no races without fans (besides the pandemic stuff).

So there is conflation of the two.

One side sees that oh, since i have like 5 riders come from overseas and race. were a world championship (Thats bullshit)

Im of the opinion, Lets take this shit across the world and see who the best is.. literally across our rock floating in the space..the actual world.

The difference in my opinion is and would be the whole experience and bringing in new fans.. and maybe that one dude down in zimbawe africa or Mongolia or some far flung place i dont know about could be the next. Rick Ryan for a race. (To me that, would be a world championship).

World Definition:
1 : the earthly state of human existence
2 : the earth with its inhabitants and all things upon it
3 : individual course of life : career
4 : the inhabitants of the earth : the human race

^^^^^ Does not, say the United States Grinning ^^^^^^

- Also before somebody says something dumb, not all countries are 3rd world like the usa brainwashes us to believe.
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8/4/2022 9:02am
Exactly my point, that's why holding it all in one country won't allow that to happen, as not everyone in the world is American.....
DonM wrote:
Yeah.....ok....must be only Americans racing in America....so I get it races with midlevel and retired racers (mostly American) traveling the world is worthy of world championship...
Yeah.....ok....must be only Americans racing in America....so I get it races with midlevel and retired racers (mostly American) traveling the world is worthy of world championship status but the best racers in the world (from all over the world) competing in one country are not worthy of that status because they don't leave the country.....so its all about where you go and not who you race or how good you are....got it....
When was the last time a team with mostly USA-based riders won the MXDN? It's a big world out there, you should have a look around.
France has had a US based rider for a handful of their wins…
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Paging Heath Voss paging Heath Voss.
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Motodave15 wrote:
I'm not bad mouthing anything, its in my opinion its disingenuous to claim World Championship, When you race in one location. Sure who races matters... But...
I'm not bad mouthing anything, its in my opinion its disingenuous to claim World Championship, When you race in one location.

Sure who races matters... But there would be no races without fans (besides the pandemic stuff).

So there is conflation of the two.

One side sees that oh, since i have like 5 riders come from overseas and race. were a world championship (Thats bullshit)

Im of the opinion, Lets take this shit across the world and see who the best is.. literally across our rock floating in the space..the actual world.

The difference in my opinion is and would be the whole experience and bringing in new fans.. and maybe that one dude down in zimbawe africa or Mongolia or some far flung place i dont know about could be the next. Rick Ryan for a race. (To me that, would be a world championship).

World Definition:
1 : the earthly state of human existence
2 : the earth with its inhabitants and all things upon it
3 : individual course of life : career
4 : the inhabitants of the earth : the human race

^^^^^ Does not, say the United States Grinning ^^^^^^

- Also before somebody says something dumb, not all countries are 3rd world like the usa brainwashes us to believe.
You’re not going to get local top level talent at races that aren’t already in the circuit. That is a fantasy. I don’t believe there is an unknown talent in Bolivia who would sign up and contend to win a professional Motocross or Supercross race if there was a round there.

You said you’re not bad mounting anything and then finished your post by claiming “the US” brainwashes Americans into thinking all other countries are third world. I’ve certainly never thought that. I’ve had the fortunate of being able to travel a lot, thankfully, but I can recognize that it doesn’t make me any smarter than someone who hasn’t. Many Americans don’t leave the Country because the USA is huge so leaving it requires a long, expensive trip.
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How is this bad? Some of you sound like a bunch of girls
Nothing bad about it!

I am curious where they found $10,000,000 extra dollars since they have been saying forever that nobody makes money running moto……
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DonM wrote:
Yeah.....ok....must be only Americans racing in America....so I get it races with midlevel and retired racers (mostly American) traveling the world is worthy of world championship...
Yeah.....ok....must be only Americans racing in America....so I get it races with midlevel and retired racers (mostly American) traveling the world is worthy of world championship status but the best racers in the world (from all over the world) competing in one country are not worthy of that status because they don't leave the country.....so its all about where you go and not who you race or how good you are....got it....
When was the last time a team with mostly USA-based riders won the MXDN? It's a big world out there, you should have a look around.
DonM wrote:
WTF are you talking about??? what exactly does that have to do with SX?
Wow 🤦‍♂️…..How’s the smell?
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8/4/2022 1:13pm
Motodave15 wrote:
Well it needs to be a world tour then as far as im concerned.. and i'm american. We tout were the best, were the best.. but...
Well it needs to be a world tour then as far as im concerned.. and i'm american.

We tout were the best, were the best.. but never fucking leave home and prove it in other locations.

(Nor has a promoter done it, and don't give me those bullshit canada rounds the fim tried to stick on)
731chopper wrote:
Why? Why does it matter where a race is held? Who is in the race is all that matters to me. I know bad mouthing America...
Why? Why does it matter where a race is held? Who is in the race is all that matters to me.

I know bad mouthing America and Americans is cool to some people but it isn’t to me.
Motodave15 wrote:
I'm not bad mouthing anything, its in my opinion its disingenuous to claim World Championship, When you race in one location. Sure who races matters... But...
I'm not bad mouthing anything, its in my opinion its disingenuous to claim World Championship, When you race in one location.

Sure who races matters... But there would be no races without fans (besides the pandemic stuff).

So there is conflation of the two.

One side sees that oh, since i have like 5 riders come from overseas and race. were a world championship (Thats bullshit)

Im of the opinion, Lets take this shit across the world and see who the best is.. literally across our rock floating in the space..the actual world.

The difference in my opinion is and would be the whole experience and bringing in new fans.. and maybe that one dude down in zimbawe africa or Mongolia or some far flung place i dont know about could be the next. Rick Ryan for a race. (To me that, would be a world championship).

World Definition:
1 : the earthly state of human existence
2 : the earth with its inhabitants and all things upon it
3 : individual course of life : career
4 : the inhabitants of the earth : the human race

^^^^^ Does not, say the United States Grinning ^^^^^^

- Also before somebody says something dumb, not all countries are 3rd world like the usa brainwashes us to believe.
This guy gets it 👍
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8/4/2022 1:28pm
Motodave15 wrote:
Well it needs to be a world tour then as far as im concerned.. and i'm american. We tout were the best, were the best.. but...
Well it needs to be a world tour then as far as im concerned.. and i'm american.

We tout were the best, were the best.. but never fucking leave home and prove it in other locations.

(Nor has a promoter done it, and don't give me those bullshit canada rounds the fim tried to stick on)
731chopper wrote:
Why? Why does it matter where a race is held? Who is in the race is all that matters to me. I know bad mouthing America...
Why? Why does it matter where a race is held? Who is in the race is all that matters to me.

I know bad mouthing America and Americans is cool to some people but it isn’t to me.
Motodave15 wrote:
I'm not bad mouthing anything, its in my opinion its disingenuous to claim World Championship, When you race in one location. Sure who races matters... But...
I'm not bad mouthing anything, its in my opinion its disingenuous to claim World Championship, When you race in one location.

Sure who races matters... But there would be no races without fans (besides the pandemic stuff).

So there is conflation of the two.

One side sees that oh, since i have like 5 riders come from overseas and race. were a world championship (Thats bullshit)

Im of the opinion, Lets take this shit across the world and see who the best is.. literally across our rock floating in the space..the actual world.

The difference in my opinion is and would be the whole experience and bringing in new fans.. and maybe that one dude down in zimbawe africa or Mongolia or some far flung place i dont know about could be the next. Rick Ryan for a race. (To me that, would be a world championship).

World Definition:
1 : the earthly state of human existence
2 : the earth with its inhabitants and all things upon it
3 : individual course of life : career
4 : the inhabitants of the earth : the human race

^^^^^ Does not, say the United States Grinning ^^^^^^

- Also before somebody says something dumb, not all countries are 3rd world like the usa brainwashes us to believe.
The most prestigious and wide ranging (arguably) World Championship going is held in one place. (That be football of the soccer kind).
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ohhellnah wrote:
How is this bad? Some of you sound like a bunch of girls
Kawboy14! wrote:
Nothing bad about it!

I am curious where they found $10,000,000 extra dollars since they have been saying forever that nobody makes money running moto……
They didn't...It's $10M total....
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8/4/2022 3:08pm
Ya’ll ever heard of the World Series?
NFL has "wOrLd cHaMpIoNs"....

But that being said. AMA Supercross is in fact the ONLY World Supercross.
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CPR wrote:
Disagree with their strategy?! You know Global’s strategy intimately? How it may have developed and reacted to others strategies along the way? I doubt that very...
Disagree with their strategy?!
You know Global’s strategy intimately? How it may have developed and reacted to others strategies along the way?
I doubt that very much.

Your posts are constantly anti-WSX and American-centric. That’s all good, just don’t pretend otherwise.

There’s a big wide world with differing opinions out there.
You should check it out sometime, you may be surprised what you find.
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Their strategy is right there in plain sight....Sorry you're too biased to see it...Like I have said multiple times but you ignore it every time...WSX should...
Their strategy is right there in plain sight....Sorry you're too biased to see it...Like I have said multiple times but you ignore it every time...WSX should be a fall series that everyone can race and be enjoyed by racers and fans (and I would support), but because they chose to go against outdoor MX (strategy if you're paying attention) they will not get the top US based SX riders to compete, which I believe most fans would like to see. They even spent some time at US SX races to try and convince manufacturers to race their series (again strategy) they failed to do so as now all the manufacturers have chosen to side with Feld/MX Sports. The real losers in all of this are the fans that will see lesser competition under the veil of a "World Championship" with retired, close to retired and journeyman racers....now if they were a fall series you would see some support from the manufacturers for their riders that wanted to race....now you have teams without manufacturer support, team owners that have previously skipped out on paying their personnel and suppliers of their team....and then call it growing the sport...You say my posts are American-centric but I would say the same thing about Feld /MX Sports if they chose to have a competing series say against the Aussie SX series and try and draw their racers and teams away....As I've said many many times, there is room for this series to get some of the best riders in the world and have a true world championship...just not June-September...
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Reading comprehension is not your strong point is it?
butt hurt.
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When was the last time a team with mostly USA-based riders won the MXDN? It's a big world out there, you should have a look around.
DonM wrote:
WTF are you talking about??? what exactly does that have to do with SX?
Wow 🤦‍♂️…..How’s the smell?
“This aggression will not stand, man.”
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8/4/2022 4:19pm
DonM wrote:
WTF are you talking about??? what exactly does that have to do with SX?
Wow 🤦‍♂️…..How’s the smell?
DonM wrote:
“This aggression will not stand, man.”
Ok mate, read your own posts before you start throwing that out there.
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DonM wrote:
Yeah.....ok....must be only Americans racing in America....so I get it races with midlevel and retired racers (mostly American) traveling the world is worthy of world championship...
Yeah.....ok....must be only Americans racing in America....so I get it races with midlevel and retired racers (mostly American) traveling the world is worthy of world championship status but the best racers in the world (from all over the world) competing in one country are not worthy of that status because they don't leave the country.....so its all about where you go and not who you race or how good you are....got it....
CPR wrote:
So you honestly think it’s legitimate to have a world championship title that only riders from a single national championship can enter?
DonM wrote:
So you honestly think it's legitimate to have a world championship that the riders from that world championship would find it hard to finish in the...
So you honestly think it's legitimate to have a world championship that the riders from that world championship would find it hard to finish in the top ten in as you call it "a single national championship"....kind of makes that world championship a little hollow....
Firstly, no I don’t think “that world championship” really qualifies as a world title either. You know as an adult just because you disagree with one point of view, doesn’t automatically mean you support the opposing view.

But I do think it’s ridiculous to call something a world championship when it’s based in a single country and only riders from that national championship can qualify, regardless of whether they have the majority of the best riders.

Just like it’s ridiculous for you to say that anyone in WSX would find it hard to finish top ten in ama. You do realise Roczen is racing WSX right? Tomac’s in for one…… You’ve also made other erroneous claims like feeling sorry for international fans paying for over priced tickets to see second rate riders. Well tickets are about $50usd for us to see in person, blokes racing that we have only ever seen on video. Throw in a few top Aussies and euros and I’ll happily pay 50 bucks every weekend of the year. AMA’s obviously not coming to us anytime soon, so why wouldn’t we support WSX?

No one is saying that AMA Supercross isn’t the premier series. It’s hard to ever imagine a day when it won’t be. But let’s not pretend that by adding a couple of races that it’s something that it’s not.
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8/4/2022 4:57pm
This thread has gone to shit. Only can this board be so pessimistic about something good happening to our sport in our(for the majority of us) country.
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Wow 🤦‍♂️…..How’s the smell?
DonM wrote:
“This aggression will not stand, man.”
Ok mate, read your own posts before you start throwing that out there.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"
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Is MXGP even talking about this? Cuz I only see americans worried. No MXGP rider interested in WSX?
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the whole WSX thing was just a pissy reaction by the fim when they got fired from supercross.
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8/4/2022 9:11pm Edited Date/Time 8/4/2022 9:12pm
yota wrote:
the whole WSX thing was just a pissy reaction by the fim when they got fired from supercross.
To a point yes,

Adam Bailey had talked about expanding the Aus x open to more places before this came up, he took the opportunity

I find it interesting that in ml’s foot notes he said that feld walking away from fim was part of this , I wonder if the USA based oem teams told feld that the fim title didn’t mean shit to them
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Eh, what does it mean for the sport? Bikes are still getting crazy expensive, manufacturers are still writing the rules, and 2-strokes are still banned.
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To a point yes, Adam Bailey had talked about expanding the Aus x open to more places before this came up, he took the opportunity I...
To a point yes,

Adam Bailey had talked about expanding the Aus x open to more places before this came up, he took the opportunity

I find it interesting that in ml’s foot notes he said that feld walking away from fim was part of this , I wonder if the USA based oem teams told feld that the fim title didn’t mean shit to them
A ill considered move if that was the case.

Feld should have held it to not give a disruptor like Bailey/Cochrane/WSX with deeper pockets and international runs on the board open slather.

On the other hand the Feld rationale might go that a rising tide- a worldwide interest in SX- will lift all boats.
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TeamGreen wrote:
Pssst, Don? Dude, we -know- which series will have the true Champions in it. That’s all that matters. FTR, I love this New Championship. I’m thinking...
Pssst, Don?

Dude, we -know- which series will have the true Champions in it. That’s all that matters.

FTR, I love this New Championship. I’m thinking Blue Plate with a Gold Number 1…?
It'll definitely have the AMA champions in it..

Any of the others? Notsomuch
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