Lets talk about it.

peltier626 wrote:

It's a slaughter house with 5% able to make a wage. The rest is out for naught. The capacity of the machines and course has outgrown...

It's a slaughter house with 5% able to make a wage. The rest is out for naught. The capacity of the machines and course has outgrown the threshold of the human body, and that's whats promoted as advertisement. Shortsightedness and "expectations" are the norm in MX/SX. At least they cleaned Brian Moreau off the track so practice would carry on.

alphado wrote:

MX has always been for the hard core fans. Trouble is that they forgot that and tried to make it appeal to the masses. Parking sucks...

MX has always been for the hard core fans. Trouble is that they forgot that and tried to make it appeal to the masses. Parking sucks, getting around the track sucks, the porta potties suck and only having a Saturday program makes it tough to drive a long ways for one day. They took away most of the good viewing areas and made them exclusive for VIPs. The cost to get in and grab a bite to eat has made it tough for a blue collar guy to bring his family as well.

SX, you park in a lot in a city that you can usually fly into. You are shielded from the elements, actual rest rooms and you can see the entire race from your seat. Much easier for a casual fan or someone that wants to go out for a night.

I am a huge fan of MX. I watch SX for something to watch in the winter. Always figured that MX/SX fans are mostly riders or related to a rider. It is never going to be mainstream. Keep it core!

Another thing is the cost of bikes. When I was a kid, you could save up enough money from your paper route and buy a bike. Those days are long gone.

CG118 wrote:

I hate seeing people getting hurt. Especially live and in person. But c’mon folks. It doesn’t matter what sport it is; if it involves speed, you’re...

I hate seeing people getting hurt. Especially live and in person.
But c’mon folks. It doesn’t matter what sport it is; if it involves speed, you’re going to get hurt.
Ever seen anyone fall off a racing horse? Rodeo injuries? Freaking nasty stuff.
Car racing, cart racing? Yikes.
Football linemen hitting anyone? Yikes.
Base jumpers, skydivers? The sudden stop will F you up.
Driving a car to work? Some of us die on the way to work. Or on the way home.

Can’t rap everyone in swaddling cloth and bubble wrap.
Not everyone can just sit on their safe couch like BBBB and tell everyone else what they should and shouldn’t do, which is exactly what BBBB and his ilk would like to do.

Some of us have the drive to live life to the fullest and be free. Sometimes we end up in the hospital.

Shapi wrote:

@peltier626 and @bobby Dudes. You are barking up the way wrong tree and you are just wrong. Angling for a lawsuit? All you need to do...

@peltier626 and @bobby Dudes. You are barking up the way wrong tree and you are just wrong. Angling for a lawsuit? All you need to do is look at the $ made per athlete and occurrences of life altering injury in football, or did you miss the boat on that one! Talk about a blood sport. I grew up in that sport not moto and was fortunate to play through the semi pro level. After puberty, every full speed hit is equivalent to being in a 35mph car accident. Multiply that by 1 game a week, 35 plays, plus 2 full pad practices and 1 1/2 pad practice a week for 20 weeks a year for 10+ years? man...that's a lot of accidents. As well, football dad and coach is FAR FAR worse than moto dad and the "animal abuse" far worse. Dude, you can't legislate what people chose to do with their bodies, oh wait, damn...I digress As was pointed out, mountain climbing, hunting, boating, MMA, stick and ball sports ALL have more deaths, and serious injury than moto. Go to something like Pubmed and look it up....

Radical wrote:

Look, Motorsports are dangerous. Nascar, Indy, etc... manage this by periodically lowering maximum displacement, so that teams/companies can continue to innovate, and push technology, but they...

Look, Motorsports are dangerous.
Nascar, Indy, etc... manage this by periodically lowering maximum displacement, so that teams/companies can continue to innovate, and push technology, but they essentially say every once in a while, that 200MPH is OK, but 230MPH is not.

What does MX/SX do?
Worse than nothing. We allowed 450cc 4 stroke engines in a 250cc class, and 250cc 4 stroke engines in a 125cc class.
AND, as technology made the 4 strokes even faster, we've done nothing to manage the speed.
Track design follows what the bikes are able to do.

If we're concerned about the government shutting us down due to injuries/deaths, then we need to do what Nascar, Indy etc... do, and lower the max displacement in both classes.
Track designs will change to support the new limits.

If we don't, bikes will become even faster, and injuries will become more severe.
It's physics. Crash at a faster speed, get worse injuries.

Whether or not they're on the line in pro racing, the 125 and 250 2 strokes are good benchmarks for where performance limits should be, and possibly they should be lowered a bit.

I propose the following 2 classes:

125 2 stroke and 175 4 stroke
250 2 stroke and 325 4 stroke

Radical wrote:

Look, Motorsports are dangerous. Nascar, Indy, etc... manage this by periodically lowering maximum displacement, so that teams/companies can continue to innovate, and push technology, but they...

Look, Motorsports are dangerous.
Nascar, Indy, etc... manage this by periodically lowering maximum displacement, so that teams/companies can continue to innovate, and push technology, but they essentially say every once in a while, that 200MPH is OK, but 230MPH is not.

What does MX/SX do?
Worse than nothing. We allowed 450cc 4 stroke engines in a 250cc class, and 250cc 4 stroke engines in a 125cc class.
AND, as technology made the 4 strokes even faster, we've done nothing to manage the speed.
Track design follows what the bikes are able to do.

If we're concerned about the government shutting us down due to injuries/deaths, then we need to do what Nascar, Indy etc... do, and lower the max displacement in both classes.
Track designs will change to support the new limits.

If we don't, bikes will become even faster, and injuries will become more severe.
It's physics. Crash at a faster speed, get worse injuries.

Whether or not they're on the line in pro racing, the 125 and 250 2 strokes are good benchmarks for where performance limits should be, and possibly they should be lowered a bit.

I propose the following 2 classes:

125 2 stroke and 175 4 stroke
250 2 stroke and 325 4 stroke

Landonious217 wrote:

Or how bout 125 class and 250 class. It's pretty clear 4 strokes don't need a handicap anymore.

BadBoyBobbyB wrote:

Football is nowhere near as dangerous as motocross racing. Get off your high horse Coach Friendlyhands

Shapi wrote:

@peltier626 and @bobby Dudes. You are barking up the way wrong tree and you are just wrong. Angling for a lawsuit? All you need to do...

@peltier626 and @bobby Dudes. You are barking up the way wrong tree and you are just wrong. Angling for a lawsuit? All you need to do is look at the $ made per athlete and occurrences of life altering injury in football, or did you miss the boat on that one! Talk about a blood sport. I grew up in that sport not moto and was fortunate to play through the semi pro level. After puberty, every full speed hit is equivalent to being in a 35mph car accident. Multiply that by 1 game a week, 35 plays, plus 2 full pad practices and 1 1/2 pad practice a week for 20 weeks a year for 10+ years? man...that's a lot of accidents. As well, football dad and coach is FAR FAR worse than moto dad and the "animal abuse" far worse. Dude, you can't legislate what people chose to do with their bodies, oh wait, damn...I digress As was pointed out, mountain climbing, hunting, boating, MMA, stick and ball sports ALL have more deaths, and serious injury than moto. Go to something like Pubmed and look it up....

BadBoyBobbyB wrote:

You might not like that I called Moto a blood sport, but the reality is: minimum 20-30% of people watching MX and 50-60% of people watching...

You might not like that I called Moto a blood sport, but the reality is: minimum 20-30% of people watching MX and 50-60% of people watching SX are doing so only to see a crash. I’ve been to supercross parties where people are so happy and excited to see someone take a huge hit. I’ve been to some where people were disappointed they came because there wasn’t a huge crash. And then when I look at some of the odd, 1 off obstacles that start coming up mid season, 1 and 2 starts to click. Feld has to make the customer happy (see Atlanta triple).

Yes at least they hosed Brian Moreau off the race track quickly so they didn’t have to reschedule those valuable 5 minutes plus a lap of practice . Those guys need every second of prep they can get.

Radical wrote:

Look, Motorsports are dangerous. Nascar, Indy, etc... manage this by periodically lowering maximum displacement, so that teams/companies can continue to innovate, and push technology, but they...

Look, Motorsports are dangerous.
Nascar, Indy, etc... manage this by periodically lowering maximum displacement, so that teams/companies can continue to innovate, and push technology, but they essentially say every once in a while, that 200MPH is OK, but 230MPH is not.

What does MX/SX do?
Worse than nothing. We allowed 450cc 4 stroke engines in a 250cc class, and 250cc 4 stroke engines in a 125cc class.
AND, as technology made the 4 strokes even faster, we've done nothing to manage the speed.
Track design follows what the bikes are able to do.

If we're concerned about the government shutting us down due to injuries/deaths, then we need to do what Nascar, Indy etc... do, and lower the max displacement in both classes.
Track designs will change to support the new limits.

If we don't, bikes will become even faster, and injuries will become more severe.
It's physics. Crash at a faster speed, get worse injuries.

Whether or not they're on the line in pro racing, the 125 and 250 2 strokes are good benchmarks for where performance limits should be, and possibly they should be lowered a bit.

I propose the following 2 classes:

125 2 stroke and 175 4 stroke
250 2 stroke and 325 4 stroke

Landonious217 wrote:

Or how bout 125 class and 250 class. It's pretty clear 4 strokes don't need a handicap anymore.

Radical wrote:

Maybe for the 250 class, but I don't believe a 125 4 stroke can compete with a 125 2 stroke.