Lawsuit against feld from Brian Moreau

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7/7/2022 6:57pm
APLMAN99 wrote:
I agree with the earlier post that you made IF the lawsuit were about track design, etc., ala RC16. But when it comes to things that...
I agree with the earlier post that you made IF the lawsuit were about track design, etc., ala RC16.

But when it comes to things that are basically 'malpractice', that's a different story. It sounds like the complaint is about the medical treatment causing more damage than may have already been there.

I feel for the young man. It seems like it will be hard to prove that the medics did more damage if he already had no feeling, so it will be a double edge sword to overcome. If he simply had pain but could move, then it would be a lot easier to prove that the actions of the medical crew caused more damage. If he had already lost the ability to move, it's murkier at best. And as someone alluded to, his language skills may not have meshed with the guys first on the scene.

About a decade ago a friend of mine who was a paramedic (since retired) told me to never try to perform serious aid on anyone unless you are absolutely sure of what you are doing because no good deed goes unpunished if something goes wrong. This is a bit different, but similar in some respects also. I'm sure that these guys thought that they were doing the right thing, but it didn't turn out the way that was expected.
Regarding your second paragraph that’s not how medical care works. As soon as you start giving care you are responsible to make decisions in the best interest of the patient and you carry that responsibility until you are relieved by another medical professional. If you suspect a spinal injury as is stated then you proceed accordingly. You don’t throw them on the back of a mule.

There’s no saying how much further he would of recovered but you can absolutely say the medics at the race didn’t do anything to help his chances.
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7/7/2022 7:18pm Edited Date/Time 7/7/2022 7:19pm
Magoofan wrote:
I feel bad for everyone involved. Yeah, the pictures don't look good. Imagine being the guys in those pictures and wondering if it was your fault...
I feel bad for everyone involved. Yeah, the pictures don't look good. Imagine being the guys in those pictures and wondering if it was your fault and living with that mistake. They are there to help, regardless of training/mistakes.

Everyone is looking for the "bad guy" to string up.

Life isn't fair folks. Bad shit happens, sometimes there is no rhyme or reason.


Wow, really man?

Those guys in the picture are THE guys our "elite" sport has hired to be there if the worst happens. They aren't some random EMT at the local track.

If you are in that position, and you do what those guys did, such as moving a downed rider who has indicated a spinal injury....YOU ARE THE BAD GUY.

You are right, life isn't fair. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be consequences for bad decisions and broken protocols. If you have an Alpinestars Medic shirt on at a race you sure as hell should know not to move that kid.
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7/7/2022 7:34pm
Magoofan wrote:
I feel bad for everyone involved. Yeah, the pictures don't look good. Imagine being the guys in those pictures and wondering if it was your fault...
I feel bad for everyone involved. Yeah, the pictures don't look good. Imagine being the guys in those pictures and wondering if it was your fault and living with that mistake. They are there to help, regardless of training/mistakes.

Everyone is looking for the "bad guy" to string up.

Life isn't fair folks. Bad shit happens, sometimes there is no rhyme or reason.


Wow, really man? Those guys in the picture are THE guys our "elite" sport has hired to be there if the worst happens. They aren't some...
Wow, really man?

Those guys in the picture are THE guys our "elite" sport has hired to be there if the worst happens. They aren't some random EMT at the local track.

If you are in that position, and you do what those guys did, such as moving a downed rider who has indicated a spinal injury....YOU ARE THE BAD GUY.

You are right, life isn't fair. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be consequences for bad decisions and broken protocols. If you have an Alpinestars Medic shirt on at a race you sure as hell should know not to move that kid.
No offense. I think you missed my point. Which is: "imagine living with this on your conscience".

It's a shit sandwich no matter where you stand.
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7/7/2022 7:45pm
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No offense. I think you missed my point. Which is: "imagine living with this on your conscience".

It's a shit sandwich no matter where you stand.
I figured I missed something because I usually read your posts and agree 🍻
I do understand it must suck for those guys, but somebody has to be held accountable for this.
I'm 99.999999% sure they had the best of intentions, but if you're in that position you HAVE to know better, right?
Was someone yelling on the radio to clear the track? Were they TOLD to get him off the track?
It just seems to me there is no excuse whatsoever for those guys to think moving him was acceptable.
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7/7/2022 11:20pm Edited Date/Time 7/7/2022 11:21pm
The way they pulled him off he track is plain wrong even if he hadn’t broken his neck/back. If a rider doesn’t move you don’t fucking drag him off the track like that!! I thought this was common sense?? I’m shocked at the medics’ actions here. It’s very, very, VERY basic protocol to not drag or move a rider like that whose not moving on his own.
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Was there any video posted of the crash and the resulting removal of Brian from the track? The pictures don’t paint the whole picture as to...
Was there any video posted of the crash and the resulting removal of Brian from the track?

The pictures don’t paint the whole picture as to why he may have been moved without taking the necessary C spine precautions and securing him to a back board or even a Kendrick device. The procedure the A stars crew employed is something you would do in a combat zone, active shooter, or other situation where there’s high likelihood of being struck by a falling object or exposure to something worse such as fire.
What possible reason could there be for not taking necessary precautions? This was no combat zone, it was a race practice. Health of the riders should be priority 1.

This is all a very very bad look for the event and the A stars crew. It was then and still is.

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7/8/2022 4:29am
Well this won't be popular, but it's the truth. In the ER we have been talking about it for years. If you hit the ground at 50 mph it isn't going to make much of a difference what happens to you afterwards.

spinal immobilization in trauma patients

Results:

All patients with acute blunt traumatic spinal or spinal cord injuries, 0/120 patients had spinal immobilization at Malaysian Hospital, 334/334 patients had spinal immobilization at New Mexico Hospital. Neurologic Injury with Disability: US Hospital: 21%, Malaysian Hospital: 11%. Less neurologic disability in in the unimmobilized Malaysian patients (OR 2.03; 95% CI 1.03 – 3.99; p = 0.04)Results similar when analysis limited to patients with cervical injuries (OR 1.52; 95% CI 0.64 – 3.62; p = 0.34)

Author Conclusion: “Out-of-hospital immobilization has little or no effect on neurologic outcome in patients with blunt spinal injuries.”
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7/8/2022 4:39am
I hope gets a nice settlement from Feld. The workers who just dragged him off the track are Feld employees and most likely made this kids condition worse by doing so. As a life long racer, a neck or spinal injury has always been one of my biggest fears, outside losing someone close to me or the ocean (sharks). They did him dirty....and it was only practice.
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I will always find this rubbish. This was a sport you knew inherently had large risks and CHOSE to do. To turn around and sue after...
I will always find this rubbish. This was a sport you knew inherently had large risks and CHOSE to do. To turn around and sue after things didn’t work out well I personally feel is a chicken shit low class move
did you even see how he was handled after the crash?! that was shocking. I was cringing, feeling sick just watching it. You can chose to practice a dangerous sport, it doesn't mean you have to be treated like it's 1545 all over again when you get hurt. that was major bs. Hope Moreau wins big reparation.
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7/8/2022 7:52am
183Matt wrote:
Was there any video posted of the crash and the resulting removal of Brian from the track? The pictures don’t paint the whole picture as to...
Was there any video posted of the crash and the resulting removal of Brian from the track?

The pictures don’t paint the whole picture as to why he may have been moved without taking the necessary C spine precautions and securing him to a back board or even a Kendrick device. The procedure the A stars crew employed is something you would do in a combat zone, active shooter, or other situation where there’s high likelihood of being struck by a falling object or exposure to something worse such as fire.
ns503 wrote:
What possible reason could there be for not taking necessary precautions? This was no combat zone, it was a race practice. Health of the riders should...
What possible reason could there be for not taking necessary precautions? This was no combat zone, it was a race practice. Health of the riders should be priority 1.

This is all a very very bad look for the event and the A stars crew. It was then and still is.

Heath of the riders and spectators should always be number 1. I’m simply saying it may be informative to see actual footage of the event. The photos posted do not tell the whole story. I’m not excusing or approving* any actions on the medical teams part, just asking for further information
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7/8/2022 8:54am
I hope gets a nice settlement from Feld. The workers who just dragged him off the track are Feld employees and most likely made this kids...
I hope gets a nice settlement from Feld. The workers who just dragged him off the track are Feld employees and most likely made this kids condition worse by doing so. As a life long racer, a neck or spinal injury has always been one of my biggest fears, outside losing someone close to me or the ocean (sharks). They did him dirty....and it was only practice.
I think they are Feld contractors. This will get sorted out. The initial lawsuit filing is usually a shotgun approach. Drag in everyone but the spectators.
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I figured I missed something because I usually read your posts and agree 🍻 I do understand it must suck for those guys, but somebody has...
I figured I missed something because I usually read your posts and agree 🍻
I do understand it must suck for those guys, but somebody has to be held accountable for this.
I'm 99.999999% sure they had the best of intentions, but if you're in that position you HAVE to know better, right?
Was someone yelling on the radio to clear the track? Were they TOLD to get him off the track?
It just seems to me there is no excuse whatsoever for those guys to think moving him was acceptable.
We don't yet know what communications or directives were made.to the medical crew.

My issue with "someone needs to be held accountable"..... is all the people who hate Feld and want to make them pay and it has nothing to do with Brians injury. (not saying that's you).

It never ceases to amaze me the supposed "fans" of the sport are clamoring for the demise of the supporters of our sport.

You see them doing it with Suzuki
You see them doing it with media outlets (ie: MXA)
...and of course you see them doing it with Feld.

Cutting off your nose to spite your face anyone?


In the end, racing is a risk....life is a risk... We live in a society where "someone needs to pay" and the "pitchfork" mentality is the norm. (I've been guilty of it myself from time to time but I try to rise above it).

FFS some woman just won a judgement against a car insurance company because she caught an STD from the owner of the car they had the funky monkey in. What a ***ked up world.

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How the hell is this kid supposed to make it through life without the suit? He's 20 years old and will probably never be able to get a job. He'll never pay off the medical bills he'll owe in the US. He probably requires round-the-clock care just to make it through the day. We all saw the way he was handled by the track crew. You can't fault the kid and his family for trying to ensure that they get something out of anyone they can.
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7/8/2022 2:16pm
Well this won't be popular, but it's the truth. In the ER we have been talking about it for years. If you hit the ground at...
Well this won't be popular, but it's the truth. In the ER we have been talking about it for years. If you hit the ground at 50 mph it isn't going to make much of a difference what happens to you afterwards.

spinal immobilization in trauma patients

Results:

All patients with acute blunt traumatic spinal or spinal cord injuries, 0/120 patients had spinal immobilization at Malaysian Hospital, 334/334 patients had spinal immobilization at New Mexico Hospital. Neurologic Injury with Disability: US Hospital: 21%, Malaysian Hospital: 11%. Less neurologic disability in in the unimmobilized Malaysian patients (OR 2.03; 95% CI 1.03 – 3.99; p = 0.04)Results similar when analysis limited to patients with cervical injuries (OR 1.52; 95% CI 0.64 – 3.62; p = 0.34)

Author Conclusion: “Out-of-hospital immobilization has little or no effect on neurologic outcome in patients with blunt spinal injuries.”
This maybe all true, but with what we all assume occurred, the way he was handled was not in line with current practices or protocols.
Please remember, this legal action, I hope, is not to nail a worker to a wall, but rather it's to extract compensation from a faceless insurance company.
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7/8/2022 2:28pm
This maybe all true, but with what we all assume occurred, the way he was handled was not in line with current practices or protocols. Please...
This maybe all true, but with what we all assume occurred, the way he was handled was not in line with current practices or protocols.
Please remember, this legal action, I hope, is not to nail a worker to a wall, but rather it's to extract compensation from a faceless insurance company.
It shouldn't be motivated by "nailing a worker to the wall" but those workers know better than to do what they did. If they aren't held accountable, they'll be put in that situation again and might make the same decision.
There is a balance between not nailing someone to the wall, but also making sure that same mistake doesn't happen again.
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This maybe all true, but with what we all assume occurred, the way he was handled was not in line with current practices or protocols. Please...
This maybe all true, but with what we all assume occurred, the way he was handled was not in line with current practices or protocols.
Please remember, this legal action, I hope, is not to nail a worker to a wall, but rather it's to extract compensation from a faceless insurance company.
"Faceless" insurance companies are not going to pay for this. As with everything insured today....we as consumers will pay for it.... The buck gets passed down to us.
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7/8/2022 2:36pm Edited Date/Time 7/8/2022 2:49pm
So Deathcross.

If the way he was handled DID have an effect on his paralysis do you still think the lawsuit is shit?
TeamGreen wrote:
You don’t have to like what I wrote.

But, at the end of the day, a release was signed.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Release or no release, I'm pretty sure medics have certain protocols to follow when they suspect a neck or back injury. I'm not a medic, but...
Release or no release, I'm pretty sure medics have certain protocols to follow when they suspect a neck or back injury. I'm not a medic, but this doesn't look like proper care to me.




Did they lift him up?

What did Moreau exactly tell the medics? Was he downplaying his pain?

Did he crash and try to get up? Was he trying to walk? When did he complain about tingling? Maybe they were telling him to get down and he was trying to get up. Being his first race and practice and being young was his adrenaline going and trying to “walk it off”. I know a lot riders who broke their neck or back and immediately tried to get up, with the ability to do so.

Pictures don’t always tell the full story. Knowing the extent of his injuries and seeing the photos, it’s easy to cry foul.

However, I highly doubt anyone here knows the full story and Bodnar is a pro. Before making any judgments, the whole story should be known.
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7/8/2022 2:40pm Edited Date/Time 7/8/2022 2:42pm
TeamGreen wrote:
You don’t have to like what I wrote.

But, at the end of the day, a release was signed.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Release or no release, I'm pretty sure medics have certain protocols to follow when they suspect a neck or back injury. I'm not a medic, but...
Release or no release, I'm pretty sure medics have certain protocols to follow when they suspect a neck or back injury. I'm not a medic, but this doesn't look like proper care to me.




Regis wrote:
Did they lift him up? What did Moreau exactly tell the medics? Was he downplaying his pain? Did he crash and try to get up? Was...
Did they lift him up?

What did Moreau exactly tell the medics? Was he downplaying his pain?

Did he crash and try to get up? Was he trying to walk? When did he complain about tingling? Maybe they were telling him to get down and he was trying to get up. Being his first race and practice and being young was his adrenaline going and trying to “walk it off”. I know a lot riders who broke their neck or back and immediately tried to get up, with the ability to do so.

Pictures don’t always tell the full story. Knowing the extent of his injuries and seeing the photos, it’s easy to cry foul.

However, I highly doubt anyone here knows the full story and Bodnar is a pro. Before making any judgments, the whole story should be known.
They lifted him up from the ground, yes. In the first pic of the post you quoted, you can clearly see that he's not bearing any weight.

Edit: Maybe Steph/LeBig can chime in. He took the photos.

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7/8/2022 2:42pm Edited Date/Time 7/9/2022 9:42am
Waivers don't matter if it is determined gross negligence was committed by Feld staff or contractors. Waivers only cover what is generally considered "ordinary" negligence, meaning you took every reasonable precaution, but something bad still happened. The average crash at the local track could often be chalked up to ordinary negligence. Running into the water truck because it was parked 6 inches from the edge of the track would be gross negligence and that waiver won't mean anything.

In this case, it certainly appears that reasonable precautions were not taken and Moreau may have been more severely injured as a result. That part would not even have to be proven (which is good for Moreau because proving it would be impossible). He has an extremely strong case, the pictures are horrible to look at.
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7/8/2022 2:48pm
150ripper wrote:
How the hell is this kid supposed to make it through life without the suit? He's 20 years old and will probably never be able to...
How the hell is this kid supposed to make it through life without the suit? He's 20 years old and will probably never be able to get a job. He'll never pay off the medical bills he'll owe in the US. He probably requires round-the-clock care just to make it through the day. We all saw the way he was handled by the track crew. You can't fault the kid and his family for trying to ensure that they get something out of anyone they can.
He can still go to school and he can still find a job. This isn’t the end of the world
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Well this won't be popular, but it's the truth. In the ER we have been talking about it for years. If you hit the ground at...
Well this won't be popular, but it's the truth. In the ER we have been talking about it for years. If you hit the ground at 50 mph it isn't going to make much of a difference what happens to you afterwards.

spinal immobilization in trauma patients

Results:

All patients with acute blunt traumatic spinal or spinal cord injuries, 0/120 patients had spinal immobilization at Malaysian Hospital, 334/334 patients had spinal immobilization at New Mexico Hospital. Neurologic Injury with Disability: US Hospital: 21%, Malaysian Hospital: 11%. Less neurologic disability in in the unimmobilized Malaysian patients (OR 2.03; 95% CI 1.03 – 3.99; p = 0.04)Results similar when analysis limited to patients with cervical injuries (OR 1.52; 95% CI 0.64 – 3.62; p = 0.34)

Author Conclusion: “Out-of-hospital immobilization has little or no effect on neurologic outcome in patients with blunt spinal injuries.”
The difference is in the cord itself and if it can be severed or not. So if you do move the patient and do not stabilize them, then you can further damage the cord and thus the long term outcome of the injury
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7/8/2022 2:55pm
150ripper wrote:
How the hell is this kid supposed to make it through life without the suit? He's 20 years old and will probably never be able to...
How the hell is this kid supposed to make it through life without the suit? He's 20 years old and will probably never be able to get a job. He'll never pay off the medical bills he'll owe in the US. He probably requires round-the-clock care just to make it through the day. We all saw the way he was handled by the track crew. You can't fault the kid and his family for trying to ensure that they get something out of anyone they can.
Was your post sarcasm? A ton of people who are paralyzed work.
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7/8/2022 2:57pm Edited Date/Time 7/8/2022 3:05pm
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Release or no release, I'm pretty sure medics have certain protocols to follow when they suspect a neck or back injury. I'm not a medic, but...
Release or no release, I'm pretty sure medics have certain protocols to follow when they suspect a neck or back injury. I'm not a medic, but this doesn't look like proper care to me.




Regis wrote:
Did they lift him up? What did Moreau exactly tell the medics? Was he downplaying his pain? Did he crash and try to get up? Was...
Did they lift him up?

What did Moreau exactly tell the medics? Was he downplaying his pain?

Did he crash and try to get up? Was he trying to walk? When did he complain about tingling? Maybe they were telling him to get down and he was trying to get up. Being his first race and practice and being young was his adrenaline going and trying to “walk it off”. I know a lot riders who broke their neck or back and immediately tried to get up, with the ability to do so.

Pictures don’t always tell the full story. Knowing the extent of his injuries and seeing the photos, it’s easy to cry foul.

However, I highly doubt anyone here knows the full story and Bodnar is a pro. Before making any judgments, the whole story should be known.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
They lifted him up from the ground, yes. In the first pic of the post you quoted, you can clearly see that he's not bearing any...
They lifted him up from the ground, yes. In the first pic of the post you quoted, you can clearly see that he's not bearing any weight.

Edit: Maybe Steph/LeBig can chime in. He took the photos.

Point being - you don’t know the conversation here between medic / rider. Nobody does but those involved. Maybe they were doing their job, telling him to stay still, lay down and he said he could get up without mentioning head or neck or tingling….

Again, photos never tell a whole story. Medics rely on a downed rider for the plan of action if they are awake and aware.

Can you say for fact that Moreau wasn’t claiming he wanted to get up and was saying he was going to be ok without mentioning it was his head or neck that hurt?

I know I’ve been knocked silly on the track before and have asked for help getting up.
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7/8/2022 4:21pm Edited Date/Time 7/8/2022 5:25pm
Regis wrote:
Did they lift him up? What did Moreau exactly tell the medics? Was he downplaying his pain? Did he crash and try to get up? Was...
Did they lift him up?

What did Moreau exactly tell the medics? Was he downplaying his pain?

Did he crash and try to get up? Was he trying to walk? When did he complain about tingling? Maybe they were telling him to get down and he was trying to get up. Being his first race and practice and being young was his adrenaline going and trying to “walk it off”. I know a lot riders who broke their neck or back and immediately tried to get up, with the ability to do so.

Pictures don’t always tell the full story. Knowing the extent of his injuries and seeing the photos, it’s easy to cry foul.

However, I highly doubt anyone here knows the full story and Bodnar is a pro. Before making any judgments, the whole story should be known.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
They lifted him up from the ground, yes. In the first pic of the post you quoted, you can clearly see that he's not bearing any...
They lifted him up from the ground, yes. In the first pic of the post you quoted, you can clearly see that he's not bearing any weight.

Edit: Maybe Steph/LeBig can chime in. He took the photos.

Regis wrote:
Point being - you don’t know the conversation here between medic / rider. Nobody does but those involved. Maybe they were doing their job, telling him...
Point being - you don’t know the conversation here between medic / rider. Nobody does but those involved. Maybe they were doing their job, telling him to stay still, lay down and he said he could get up without mentioning head or neck or tingling….

Again, photos never tell a whole story. Medics rely on a downed rider for the plan of action if they are awake and aware.

Can you say for fact that Moreau wasn’t claiming he wanted to get up and was saying he was going to be ok without mentioning it was his head or neck that hurt?

I know I’ve been knocked silly on the track before and have asked for help getting up.
Michael Lindsay said here that Brian was reportedly yelling that he couldn't feel his legs as they were lifting him loudly enough that photographers could hear it.

https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Why-no-status-on-Moreau,…
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7/8/2022 4:50pm Edited Date/Time 7/8/2022 5:32pm
Regis wrote:
Point being - you don’t know the conversation here between medic / rider. Nobody does but those involved. Maybe they were doing their job, telling him...
Point being - you don’t know the conversation here between medic / rider. Nobody does but those involved. Maybe they were doing their job, telling him to stay still, lay down and he said he could get up without mentioning head or neck or tingling….

Again, photos never tell a whole story. Medics rely on a downed rider for the plan of action if they are awake and aware.

Can you say for fact that Moreau wasn’t claiming he wanted to get up and was saying he was going to be ok without mentioning it was his head or neck that hurt?

I know I’ve been knocked silly on the track before and have asked for help getting up.
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Regis wrote:
Point being - you don’t know the conversation here between medic / rider. Nobody does but those involved. Maybe they were doing their job, telling him...
Point being - you don’t know the conversation here between medic / rider. Nobody does but those involved. Maybe they were doing their job, telling him to stay still, lay down and he said he could get up without mentioning head or neck or tingling….

Again, photos never tell a whole story. Medics rely on a downed rider for the plan of action if they are awake and aware.

Can you say for fact that Moreau wasn’t claiming he wanted to get up and was saying he was going to be ok without mentioning it was his head or neck that hurt?

I know I’ve been knocked silly on the track before and have asked for help getting up.
motokiwi wrote:
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What???? No…. That 6D helmet kept him alert from 30 feet in the air
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Yes, racing mx or sx is dangerous. But if his injuries are due to action of others after his crash, well that's a different story. Afterall...
Yes, racing mx or sx is dangerous. But if his injuries are due to action of others after his crash, well that's a different story. Afterall in this case it's a profession sport with what should be professional support workers.

Zycki11 wrote:
That will be the hardest part... How can a medical professional state with supportive evidence that the actions by the crew resulted in injury? I have...
That will be the hardest part... How can a medical professional state with supportive evidence that the actions by the crew resulted in injury? I have seen many a back xrays etc and you really can't "prove" it. It is a terrible thing either way, I just don't see a good outcome unless Feld decides to settle without a court appearance
It doesn't require concrete proof that they caused [i]a specific[/i] injury by a specific motion. It is a negligence suit. The legal burden is: [i]"lack of...
It doesn't require concrete proof that they caused a specific injury by a specific motion.

It is a negligence suit. The legal burden is: "lack of any care or an extreme departure from what a reasonably careful person would do in the same situation"
This!
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Regis wrote:
Point being - you don’t know the conversation here between medic / rider. Nobody does but those involved. Maybe they were doing their job, telling him...
Point being - you don’t know the conversation here between medic / rider. Nobody does but those involved. Maybe they were doing their job, telling him to stay still, lay down and he said he could get up without mentioning head or neck or tingling….

Again, photos never tell a whole story. Medics rely on a downed rider for the plan of action if they are awake and aware.

Can you say for fact that Moreau wasn’t claiming he wanted to get up and was saying he was going to be ok without mentioning it was his head or neck that hurt?

I know I’ve been knocked silly on the track before and have asked for help getting up.
Yeah we don't know for sure but I don't know how you can look at those photos and still ask those questions and not see he was getting carried..

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7/9/2022 6:41am
Regis wrote:
Point being - you don’t know the conversation here between medic / rider. Nobody does but those involved. Maybe they were doing their job, telling him...
Point being - you don’t know the conversation here between medic / rider. Nobody does but those involved. Maybe they were doing their job, telling him to stay still, lay down and he said he could get up without mentioning head or neck or tingling….

Again, photos never tell a whole story. Medics rely on a downed rider for the plan of action if they are awake and aware.

Can you say for fact that Moreau wasn’t claiming he wanted to get up and was saying he was going to be ok without mentioning it was his head or neck that hurt?

I know I’ve been knocked silly on the track before and have asked for help getting up.
jemcee wrote:
Yeah we don't know for sure but I don't know how you can look at those photos and still ask those questions and not see he...
Yeah we don't know for sure but I don't know how you can look at those photos and still ask those questions and not see he was getting carried..

I can honestly say, my posts were in defense of Bodnar. Although listed as a defendant he is not pictured.

I thought he was one of the medics and having been picked up by Bodnar more than once, I felt there was no way he would have done anything in the photos unless justified.

So count me on the side of WTF and facepalm now.
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7/9/2022 6:47am
Everyone saying “you don’t know what exactly went down, what about this that and the other?” — that’s what the testimony for the lawsuit is for guys. They will each present evidence of what happened and a jury will decide what the evidence supports. No need to argue it out here.
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