Where is the next great American rider?

Chris_Buehler wrote:

Sx is what matters most to these kids now. When Euros start dominating sx let me know. I don't prefer sx by the way, just saying

slanger17 wrote:

Drew Adams is the next great American rider. Talking about holding back and all that, this kid has constantly moved up regardless of titles. He is...

Drew Adams is the next great American rider. Talking about holding back and all that, this kid has constantly moved up regardless of titles. He is 14 now and would go pro now if he legally could. The reason why, is he is hungry, just like the Lawrence's etc. They are all in, the same as drew Adam's. All these other "top amateurs" in America are loaded and their family has the funds and are fine even if they don't make it. Quit giving all the support and factory rides to rich kids and give it to the hungry kid with talent and watch out, you will see american riders back on it. Who do you all call the greats?? Stewart, villopoto, carmichael......even Reed, not American, what's all in common? They were from nothing, all in and hungry. Get back to the point where we need to go pro "NOW" versus we can keep financing this for 4 more years to get some amateur titles because our pockets are deep. Get back to being hungry and back against the wall status. American moto has became the sport of the entitled, Europe and the world are hungry, they aren't all deep pocket generational entitled kids

TogaSet wrote:

The majority of American kids aren’t interested in playing outdoors anymore. Most of them don’t even ride bicycles much less dirt bikes.

slanger17 wrote:

Drew Adams is the next great American rider. Talking about holding back and all that, this kid has constantly moved up regardless of titles. He is...

Drew Adams is the next great American rider. Talking about holding back and all that, this kid has constantly moved up regardless of titles. He is 14 now and would go pro now if he legally could. The reason why, is he is hungry, just like the Lawrence's etc. They are all in, the same as drew Adam's. All these other "top amateurs" in America are loaded and their family has the funds and are fine even if they don't make it. Quit giving all the support and factory rides to rich kids and give it to the hungry kid with talent and watch out, you will see american riders back on it. Who do you all call the greats?? Stewart, villopoto, carmichael......even Reed, not American, what's all in common? They were from nothing, all in and hungry. Get back to the point where we need to go pro "NOW" versus we can keep financing this for 4 more years to get some amateur titles because our pockets are deep. Get back to being hungry and back against the wall status. American moto has became the sport of the entitled, Europe and the world are hungry, they aren't all deep pocket generational entitled kids

slanger17 wrote:

Drew Adams is the next great American rider. Talking about holding back and all that, this kid has constantly moved up regardless of titles. He is...

Drew Adams is the next great American rider. Talking about holding back and all that, this kid has constantly moved up regardless of titles. He is 14 now and would go pro now if he legally could. The reason why, is he is hungry, just like the Lawrence's etc. They are all in, the same as drew Adam's. All these other "top amateurs" in America are loaded and their family has the funds and are fine even if they don't make it. Quit giving all the support and factory rides to rich kids and give it to the hungry kid with talent and watch out, you will see american riders back on it. Who do you all call the greats?? Stewart, villopoto, carmichael......even Reed, not American, what's all in common? They were from nothing, all in and hungry. Get back to the point where we need to go pro "NOW" versus we can keep financing this for 4 more years to get some amateur titles because our pockets are deep. Get back to being hungry and back against the wall status. American moto has became the sport of the entitled, Europe and the world are hungry, they aren't all deep pocket generational entitled kids

Chris_Buehler wrote:

Sx is what matters most to these kids now. When Euros start dominating sx let me know. I don't prefer sx by the way, just saying

Cygrace74 wrote:

A Lawrence won one title, and the other would of if not for one DNF. And the guy who beat him is in his 30’s and...

A Lawrence won one title, and the other would of if not for one DNF. And the guy who beat him is in his 30’s and shouldn’t be on a 250F. So id say we aren’t doing so hot in SX either

LouisianaMotocross wrote:

Wait? You think Hunter would have beat Craig if he didn’t dnf the whoop race? What are you smoking?

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Reed made a point on the RedBud pre-show. He said Deegan is 16 and should be racing pro and that if he did he'd be a...

Reed made a point on the RedBud pre-show. He said Deegan is 16 and should be racing pro and that if he did he'd be a 5-7 guy right now.

He said it makes no sense to hold him back because he's going to make mistakes regardless when he moves up. That's just part of the learning curve when you go pro.

He then went on to say that it's better to make those mistakes now and correct them as oppose to holding him back and making those same mistakes when he's 20 or so like Kitchen.

It wasn't a knock on Kitchen either.

Make mistakes when you're young, learn from it, race a couple years in the 250 class, and then move up to the 450 and make your millions of dollars.

That's not word for word what he said, but it's along those lines.

The US system is broken.

karsmakers wrote:

All credit to the Lawrence brothers and Joe Shimoda but what the hell is going on? Were getting our ass handed to us in the lites...

All credit to the Lawrence brothers and Joe Shimoda but what the hell is going on? Were getting our ass handed to us in the lites class and it seems all the amateur riders moving up to the pro class are significantly behind. Even J Cooper is barely in the top ten or cruising around in the top 5.. a minute behind. So what do you think is creating this gap in talent? Is it the amateur set up that only races a handful of times a year and runs shorter moto's? Is it these kids trying to win LL titles and not stepping up to race pro earlier like the Lawrence"s etc? You have talented riders like Haden Deegan smoking the A/B combined class and running pro level speed...training in the exact same program as the pros..admitting that he can run with them and is sometimes the fastest, but chooses to run the B class at LL's...WTF? Clearly, the system is not working and something needs to change. What needs to change?

UpTiTe wrote:

American kids aren’t failing because they have money, they failing because most are stuck into a failing system. These combines are a good idea, but doing...

American kids aren’t failing because they have money, they failing because most are stuck into a failing system.

These combines are a good idea, but doing 3 a year isn’t going to make a difference when your European counterparts are racing in shit situations every week.

Cygrace74 wrote:

Do you realize Hunter finished 10 points down with a DNF and only got 3 points when he was in second which is worth 22 points...

Do you realize Hunter finished 10 points down with a DNF and only got 3 points when he was in second which is worth 22 points. And that after that he went 1-1-1-2 to finish the season

JMR1976 wrote:

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-MAVERICK- wrote:

Reed made a point on the RedBud pre-show. He said Deegan is 16 and should be racing pro and that if he did he'd be a...

Reed made a point on the RedBud pre-show. He said Deegan is 16 and should be racing pro and that if he did he'd be a 5-7 guy right now.

He said it makes no sense to hold him back because he's going to make mistakes regardless when he moves up. That's just part of the learning curve when you go pro.

He then went on to say that it's better to make those mistakes now and correct them as oppose to holding him back and making those same mistakes when he's 20 or so like Kitchen.

It wasn't a knock on Kitchen either.

Make mistakes when you're young, learn from it, race a couple years in the 250 class, and then move up to the 450 and make your millions of dollars.

That's not word for word what he said, but it's along those lines.

The US system is broken.

yak651 wrote:

Right, it makes zero sense for him to race LL. He already has the support, so not like a good showing at the am races is...

Right, it makes zero sense for him to race LL. He already has the support, so not like a good showing at the am races is going to give him a better opportunity. Same with all these other kids riding at facilities all year and showing up for 3-5 events racing 12-20 minute motos when they could be racing all summer learning at 30 + 2

LouisianaMotocross wrote:

Wait? You think Hunter would have beat Craig if he didn’t dnf the whoop race? What are you smoking?

Cygrace74 wrote:

Do you realize Hunter finished 10 points down with a DNF and only got 3 points when he was in second which is worth 22 points...

Do you realize Hunter finished 10 points down with a DNF and only got 3 points when he was in second which is worth 22 points. And that after that he went 1-1-1-2 to finish the season

slanger17 wrote:

Drew Adams is the next great American rider. Talking about holding back and all that, this kid has constantly moved up regardless of titles. He is...

Drew Adams is the next great American rider. Talking about holding back and all that, this kid has constantly moved up regardless of titles. He is 14 now and would go pro now if he legally could. The reason why, is he is hungry, just like the Lawrence's etc. They are all in, the same as drew Adam's. All these other "top amateurs" in America are loaded and their family has the funds and are fine even if they don't make it. Quit giving all the support and factory rides to rich kids and give it to the hungry kid with talent and watch out, you will see american riders back on it. Who do you all call the greats?? Stewart, villopoto, carmichael......even Reed, not American, what's all in common? They were from nothing, all in and hungry. Get back to the point where we need to go pro "NOW" versus we can keep financing this for 4 more years to get some amateur titles because our pockets are deep. Get back to being hungry and back against the wall status. American moto has became the sport of the entitled, Europe and the world are hungry, they aren't all deep pocket generational entitled kids

Falcon wrote:

This. Grant Langston and his family would have literally gone hungry if he hadn't won GP races.