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Ferrandis, Lawrence, Roczen, Tomac, Webb, Forkner(?), Musquin (sort of...semi retired?), Who else?
How many current GP riders have won AMA nationals? Herlings...
With so many AMA riders who have actually won GP's...how can anyone argue that the AMA series isn't as least as fast as the GP's?
I guess 2016 Glen Helen GP is hard on the narrative. But it's certainly a fun race to watch.
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I was showing wife the tracks on YouTube replay highlights, she says they are better than ours...... I used to say no way. I can't disagree anymore.
Plus you have these international rivalries..and a pretty close field..... makes for great racing...imo
These days, I really like the mxgp series.....
Past the top ten , a lot of unknown riders scoring points at US Nationals.
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Your point has a few holes, 4 of your 7 AMA examples of winning GPs are also GP riders that have won nationals..
Unless your saying they are now AMA riders but I can only think that maybe 1 of those 4 have won a GP as AMA riders!
Musquin at Glen Helen? Kenny in Germany?
Besides it's been a lot easier for AMA riders to compete in a GP as they've come to them, if an AMA national had gone to Europe you point might mean something..
But yes the top 4 or 5 of the AMA's would be as fast as the GPs
And Tomac, Webb, have won GP’s and Ama nationals.
Member that time Villopoto went overseas? Both dudes are animals, its just that them other dudes aint half bad either, and they have home turf.
If the gate was filled with half top GP riders and half top ama riders, my money would be on the yanks for an overall win, but who would be on the podium is another discussion.
a six round European championship, run at the same time as a six round US championship, then the top 20 from each championship come together to race a six round WORLD championship- 3 rounds in Europe, 3 rounds in US.
One true world champion is crowned.
Will never happen, but I can dream.
Dylan Walsh also raced Hangtown and you can hear him once again emphasise this point especially.
Judging top GP speed on AC currently, in an unfamiliar environment, is foolish. And it's almost just as foolish to assume the GP riders are/were wholly superior due to European MXDN team wins over the past 10 yrs...
One minute the America riders are subpar and will probably never win an MXDN again etc. Before that it was the GP riders being labelled subpar ("Everts is a big fish in a small pond" - MXA). Now Tony hasn't won or even podiumed in his post retirement vacation stint; suddenly the GP riders once again aren't as good anymore.
This is what happens when you jump from one extreme to next and insist on setting in stone something that's ever changing from rider to rider, track to track, year to year.
This year alone? My money would be on AMA. Imo it's certainly the most exciting to watch at the moment.
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For Ferrandis & Lawrence (who didnt win a gp btw) i would say they have become quite a bit better since their last GP's.
Others one could say they are not at their toplevel anymore. Musquin, but also someone like Forkner, when was the last time he had a podium outdoors, 3 years ago? Not sure
What we are seeing is a 36 (nearly 37) year old semi-retired rider compete at the highest level lacking in preparation, both in terms of comfort, intensity and as a consequence lacking pace. We have seen GP riders come to Pro Motocross and perform fine, Herlings 1st, Desalle 2nd battling Dungey a little, Shaun Simpson 4th, De Dycker and Strijbos top ten for example, etc. The difference is, they were more active racers at the time.
Respect is hard to come by from some chest beating Americans. It was similar with the Beterbiev fight this weekend, USA USA USA and boo's to start, it was almost comedy at how quickly Jones got beat up and how Beterbiev shut the crowd up! At least in that sport there is crossover and it isn't laced with excuses!
... and anyone that watches MXoN has seen plenty of Tomac intensity. Clearly you have not! Sure he got destroyed at Red Bud, but in Kegums and Teutchenthal he had his moments of wow. I was there live both time. In Latvia, his first moto he didn't really do anything. In second moto, the switch was flipped, he had a bad start and was charging through - he was two seconds a lap faster than most! If he had a couple more laps, I think he win. At Teutchenthal, he was catching Cairoli before scrubbing too hard and crashing Chad Reed esque through the air. In moto 2, he was battling with Roczen on hometurf and they put 50+ seconds on any 450 whilst riding 250, including the likes of Desalle (who at that moment very strong rider).
I have been watching the GP's for awhile now, and as of late, this is what grinds my gears...
I have noticed the GP starting grid has been woefully thin as of late. Whats goin on? Since the GP's are a world wide series, your telling me the whole world cannot cough up a full gate of forty riders? As of late, the gate has had around 25 riders, sometimes as low as 20. How embarrassing...
I was at the High Point nat and I seen a full gate for the LCQ's!
What is going on across the pond?
Not enough talent?
Poor economy?
Poor administration?
No interest anymore?
Seriously, someone in the know clue me in!
We are at a point where it is (or maybe has) become elitist. Personally I don't want to see 40 rider gates in MXGP (like at High Point) if there are rider who are 20 seconds a lap slower. But what I would like to see is normal entry fees and prize money again in MXGP, because there are riders who race in domestic championships across Europe who are still very capable, many former GP riders, who are still competitive and would race if it was not so cost prohibitive and they could make some money!
Despite this, I feel like the motocross in Europe is down trending slowly for some time. It has become more expensive, less tracks, tracks close due to noise or other environmental factor, further to travel, higher track fees, bike costs, less money in pocket, other interests. At a pro level, there is less riders entering National championships and without businessmen (think of rich European Mike Genova's), MXGP could be in choppy water.
Nevertheless, things could be better in MXGP than they are in my opinion...
Even in the states...there's no factory bonus for a privateer finishing position. AMA pays what it pays. For some, that's enough to get to the next race...for others...it's milking the credit card. If you ain't a top dog...life is hard for the MX pro...GP or Nat.
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