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Blue Groove 6/11/2022 10:48pm
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oldfart wrote:
Keystone was about getting thick, nasty, toxic Canadian tar sands oil to refineries on the southern US coast wasn't it? And then shipping it overseas, yeah...
Keystone was about getting thick, nasty, toxic Canadian tar sands oil to refineries on the southern US coast wasn't it? And then shipping it overseas, yeah? We can't use that stuff here. It would suck for it to spill here, it's nasty stuff. What does that have to do with anything? And don't we have reserves? We also have thousands of untapped drilling permits. Why aren't companies drilling? Seems like a lot of misinformation in that mess.

And seriously, you didn't realize the economy was in trouble even before COVID? Really? Come on man, this is the interwebs, do you know about google?
There are lots of refineries in the US that are setup to process the bitumen from oil sands now and it is used plenty as an end product in the US. In most cases the same refineries can process the heavy crude that Biden is working hard to get from Venezuela again as well.
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oldfart wrote:
It's not my job to do your homework for you man. Feel free to disprove what I said. If you can. The numbers are on my...
It's not my job to do your homework for you man. Feel free to disprove what I said. If you can. The numbers are on my side though, fair warning.

I think the lack of credibility among you Trumpers is lost on you.
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Dammit OF,, nobody told me being on VMX included homework. Tongue


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You know how I roll. You need to bring it. Laughing

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You have typed about 500,000 words today , and we are all dumber for reading it. I actually didn't have to read all of it.... you're like a broken record.

Biden's economy sucks. No matter how you spin it.
Trump's economy was was awesome , no matter how you spin it.
Twist words , post fake graphs and articles all you want.......it's plain as day that Lefty / progressive idiots don't know how to run a country.

Come back here in November , if you're still alive , and whine while your side gets completely , and utterly destroyed in the elections. 😄😄

It will be the best comedy meltdown ever haha. I can't wait to read your shit then. Laughing Laughing
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I wonder if maybe a global pandemic, the worst since 1918, was perhaps a reason for gas prices staying lower? They dropped under Obama. If this graph went back to Bush, you'd see how bad it was. Trump took over in 2017, after the two major dips under Obama. They climbed slightly until the pandemic when nobody was going anywhere and they naturally dropped. Under Biden, they naturally went up as the economy reopened. The huge oil companies aren't going to lose money and they're making up for lost revenue from early 2020 till mid 2021. Presidents don't impact the oil prices. Oil companies do.
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oldfart wrote:
When spending bills cause expenses to exceed revenue....... Money printer go brrrrrrr
vet323 wrote:
I guess you're going to post more graphs that show spending/printing going up with a corresponding drop in tax revenue?
oldfart wrote:
Well to be fair, the Trump tax cuts for rich folk, combined with his increased spending, did bring us to the point of insolvency, PRE-COVID. Record...
Well to be fair, the Trump tax cuts for rich folk, combined with his increased spending, did bring us to the point of insolvency, PRE-COVID. Record debt and deficit has a tendency to do that, dontcha know. But then, when you need a rainy day fund for things like COVID, but don't have it, well, money printer must go brrrrr, brrrrrrr, brrrrrr.

Money printer go brrrr means inflation go moon. It's pretty simple stuff really.
I would have hoped that you would have spent your time away reading something.

The "Trump Tax Cuts" corresponded with exactly zero loss of Federal tax revenue. And you are right that a lot of money (too much, for sure) was spent during Trump's term, but if you were honest you'd have to admit that the majority of deficit spending occurred at the tail end (the whole COVID deal).
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Only a child would post this….. ……as only a child would believe that the lowest ‘pre-pandemic’ prices shown on the graph were during Trump’s administration. The...
Only a child would post this…..

……as only a child would believe that the lowest ‘pre-pandemic’ prices shown on the graph were during Trump’s administration. The entire “T” and most of the “r” are actually during the Obama administration. So to help you children actually understand, Trump inherited some very low gas prices that rose fairly significantly during his tenure until the ability to travel was curtailed due to a pandemic that averaged killing almost 500,000 Americans annually for a couple of years.

You’re welcome.
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Only a child would argue this point. See the O? That was Obama. See the R of Trump? everything until the I in biden is Trump...
Only a child would argue this point. See the O? That was Obama.

See the R of Trump? everything until the I in biden is Trump.

See the I? Everything after that is Biden.

Not hard to see the trend there skippy

Now go re-fill some of those free tampons in the boys locker room.




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If you wouldn’t stuff so many in your mangina at a time, they wouldn’t need to be refilled so often!!!! At least we can agree that...
If you wouldn’t stuff so many in your mangina at a time, they wouldn’t need to be refilled so often!!!!

At least we can agree that gas prices went up after Trump took office and it took a global pandemic that slashed demand for them to plummet so far down.
And yet inflation didn’t skyrocket due to “supply issues” back.

Yeah, logistics have been a shit show since March ‘20 and inflation/costs just magically hit an all time 40 year high soaring like a bat out of hell COINCIDENTALLY right after Biden took over.

Damn the greed of those evil corporations, if only they were greedy and seeing record profits under the last guy who supposedly only had their interests in mind, golly fucking gee wilikers.

P.s. weren’t you one of the people chirping up something fierce about how Trump was “killing Americans” and being recklessly greedy when he was calling for an end to mandates and to reopen? Like it wasn’t old chuck and mrs public intoxication calling for closures the whole time?
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The 8+% inflation number is going to get much worse very soon. For my businesses (I own 3 franchise food service locations), my inventory costs have...
The 8+% inflation number is going to get much worse very soon.

For my businesses (I own 3 franchise food service locations), my inventory costs have gone up an average of 30+% in the past year. Many items have doubled in price. And that is when we can get those items, every week it is something new out of stock or limited quantity due to "supply chain" issues.

We did not lay off a single person during covid lockdown, have not had 1 unemployment claim. Yet my UI insurance went from a 2% rate to 10% UI rate. The reason? So many people claimed unemployment that it completely drained the state UI compensation fund, so ALL employers are forced to pay 5 times their past UI rate to replenish the UI fund.

Business owners cannot pay 30% more for their product (and higher wages, higher UI rates, higher utilities, etc) without passing those costs on to the consumer.

The coming recession is going to make 2008 look like the good ole days. Biden thinks he can just keep printing money to buy his voters and buy his way out of this economic disaster. Ask Venezuela how that worked out for them.
This. It’s a common problem worldwide.

Man I’m not a conspiracist but it’s all tied up worldwide symmetrically. Makes one wonder
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This is like watching a game of Pong on the old Atari 😂
I'm waiting for that box wiper to infest the F1 thread, telling us Romain Grojean was a great F1 driver.
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AZ35 wrote:
The 8+% inflation number is going to get much worse very soon. For my businesses (I own 3 franchise food service locations), my inventory costs have...
The 8+% inflation number is going to get much worse very soon.

For my businesses (I own 3 franchise food service locations), my inventory costs have gone up an average of 30+% in the past year. Many items have doubled in price. And that is when we can get those items, every week it is something new out of stock or limited quantity due to "supply chain" issues.

We did not lay off a single person during covid lockdown, have not had 1 unemployment claim. Yet my UI insurance went from a 2% rate to 10% UI rate. The reason? So many people claimed unemployment that it completely drained the state UI compensation fund, so ALL employers are forced to pay 5 times their past UI rate to replenish the UI fund.

Business owners cannot pay 30% more for their product (and higher wages, higher UI rates, higher utilities, etc) without passing those costs on to the consumer.

The coming recession is going to make 2008 look like the good ole days. Biden thinks he can just keep printing money to buy his voters and buy his way out of this economic disaster. Ask Venezuela how that worked out for them.
oldfart wrote:
Trump was the only POTUS in history to leave office with a negative jobs number, yeah?
Jeremy A.K. wrote:
Let's pretend the entire world wasn't shut down for his last year in office.
And while we’re at it, let’s pretend that a global pandemic, global factory/logistics shutdowns, global furlough payments, and Russia starting a war (meaning nobody has access to Russian oil supplies) has anything to do with (worldwide) inflation and (worldwide) high fuel prices.

Yep, fuck Joe Biden for the world’s inflation.
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That's deep.
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Titan1 wrote:
Don't ask him for specifics to back up his statements (economy was in trouble before covid)...he'll just bob, weave, dodge and duck the question...he likes to...
Don't ask him for specifics to back up his statements (economy was in trouble before covid)...he'll just bob, weave, dodge and duck the question...he likes to make bold statements like that, then change the subject when asked to provide specifics. It's been his M.O. for almost 20 years.
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It's not my job to do your homework for you man. Feel free to disprove what I said. If you can. The numbers are on my...
It's not my job to do your homework for you man. Feel free to disprove what I said. If you can. The numbers are on my side though, fair warning.

I think the lack of credibility among you Trumpers is lost on you.
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You make a claim (economy was in trouble before Covid), the burden of proof is on you…it’s nobody else’s responsibility to prove your claims aren’t valid….nice...
You make a claim (economy was in trouble before Covid), the burden of proof is on you…it’s nobody else’s responsibility to prove your claims aren’t valid….nice attempted deflection.

Biden has a secret cayman bank account with a billion dollars in it…I’m not going to your homework, you disprove it.

Nancy Pelosi secretly orchestrated the 9/11 attacks…Im not going to do your homework for you, you disprove it.

See how that works? You make a claim, the burden of proof is on you…nobody else.
I made a factual statement. If you think it's untrue, then disprove it. But you can't. Because it's true.

Trumpism is a disease.
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Dammit OF,, nobody told me being on VMX included homework. Tongue


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You know how I roll. You need to bring it. Laughing

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You have typed about 500,000 words today , and we are all dumber for reading it. I actually didn't have to read all of it.... you're...
You have typed about 500,000 words today , and we are all dumber for reading it. I actually didn't have to read all of it.... you're like a broken record.

Biden's economy sucks. No matter how you spin it.
Trump's economy was was awesome , no matter how you spin it.
Twist words , post fake graphs and articles all you want.......it's plain as day that Lefty / progressive idiots don't know how to run a country.

Come back here in November , if you're still alive , and whine while your side gets completely , and utterly destroyed in the elections. 😄😄

It will be the best comedy meltdown ever haha. I can't wait to read your shit then. Laughing Laughing
And yet, by the numbers, Biden has kicked Trumps ass up one side and down the other on the economy. THIS is why Trumpers are not credible., and cannot be taken seriously.

It's not about your feelings. It's about facts. Fact is, Trump was an abysmal also ran on the economy. FACTS
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vet323 wrote:
I guess you're going to post more graphs that show spending/printing going up with a corresponding drop in tax revenue?
oldfart wrote:
Well to be fair, the Trump tax cuts for rich folk, combined with his increased spending, did bring us to the point of insolvency, PRE-COVID. Record...
Well to be fair, the Trump tax cuts for rich folk, combined with his increased spending, did bring us to the point of insolvency, PRE-COVID. Record debt and deficit has a tendency to do that, dontcha know. But then, when you need a rainy day fund for things like COVID, but don't have it, well, money printer must go brrrrr, brrrrrrr, brrrrrr.

Money printer go brrrr means inflation go moon. It's pretty simple stuff really.
vet323 wrote:
I would have hoped that you would have spent your time away reading something. The "Trump Tax Cuts" corresponded with exactly zero loss of Federal tax...
I would have hoped that you would have spent your time away reading something.

The "Trump Tax Cuts" corresponded with exactly zero loss of Federal tax revenue. And you are right that a lot of money (too much, for sure) was spent during Trump's term, but if you were honest you'd have to admit that the majority of deficit spending occurred at the tail end (the whole COVID deal).
That's false, of course. Record debt and deficit, PRE COVID, actually. But you keep telling yourself otherwise if that makes you sleep at night.

This is why Trumpers cannot be considered credible.
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vet323 wrote:
I guess you're going to post more graphs that show spending/printing going up with a corresponding drop in tax revenue?
oldfart wrote:
Well to be fair, the Trump tax cuts for rich folk, combined with his increased spending, did bring us to the point of insolvency, PRE-COVID. Record...
Well to be fair, the Trump tax cuts for rich folk, combined with his increased spending, did bring us to the point of insolvency, PRE-COVID. Record debt and deficit has a tendency to do that, dontcha know. But then, when you need a rainy day fund for things like COVID, but don't have it, well, money printer must go brrrrr, brrrrrrr, brrrrrr.

Money printer go brrrr means inflation go moon. It's pretty simple stuff really.
vet323 wrote:
I would have hoped that you would have spent your time away reading something. The "Trump Tax Cuts" corresponded with exactly zero loss of Federal tax...
I would have hoped that you would have spent your time away reading something.

The "Trump Tax Cuts" corresponded with exactly zero loss of Federal tax revenue. And you are right that a lot of money (too much, for sure) was spent during Trump's term, but if you were honest you'd have to admit that the majority of deficit spending occurred at the tail end (the whole COVID deal).
Allow me to repeat that, so you don't come back with more bullshit lies.

RECORD DEBT AND DEFICIT, PRE-COVID.
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I cannot imagine being a Trumper and trying to sell the bullshit you grifter enablers have been. I mean, do none of you have any sense of self-respect or pride? Or, is falling for one lie after another, after another something you are proud of?

You ever watch a sales pitch that is so transparent it makes you want to puke? That's what it's like listening to a Trumper. So f*&^kiung fake it makes you want to puke. Geezus men, have some self respect!!!
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oldfart wrote:
Allow me to repeat that, so you don't come back with more bullshit lies.

RECORD DEBT AND DEFICIT, PRE-COVID.
Has biden reduced Trump era national debt? Or has sending bribes to Ukraine under the guise of war time aid some how reduced the U.S. debt?
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I will say, while it doesnt surprise me some of you are trying to sell pure bullshit, it is a statement about Trumpists, and Trumpism.

I wouldn't buy a newspaper from some of you fraudsters, let alone trust your word on anything.
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oldfart wrote:
Allow me to repeat that, so you don't come back with more bullshit lies.

RECORD DEBT AND DEFICIT, PRE-COVID.
Spurdo wrote:
Has biden reduced Trump era national debt? Or has sending bribes to Ukraine under the guise of war time aid some how reduced the U.S. debt?
Reduced the deficit by 1.5 trillion, Biden did. Anything else?
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I think EID and Joey had a baby and named him Old Fart.
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APLMAN99 wrote:
If you wouldn’t stuff so many in your mangina at a time, they wouldn’t need to be refilled so often!!!! At least we can agree that...
If you wouldn’t stuff so many in your mangina at a time, they wouldn’t need to be refilled so often!!!!

At least we can agree that gas prices went up after Trump took office and it took a global pandemic that slashed demand for them to plummet so far down.
Zycki11 wrote:
No, Saudi, Canada, US, Russia all had large reserves on hand which is why fuel was cheap. Guess what happens when Russia goes to war, the...
No, Saudi, Canada, US, Russia all had large reserves on hand which is why fuel was cheap. Guess what happens when Russia goes to war, the keystone pipeline is canceled, and permits are dropped to support the "green new deal"? Reserves get chewed up quickly by consumers...EU doesn't want Russian oil so they turn to Saudi who sits and laughs because they have Biden by the balls who is now begging for them to produce more instead of producing more here in the US. Please try and understand more about global and domestic economics. Now Biden is caught in a rock and a hard place pulling the shenanigans on day 1 in office. Core inflation is up, the fed and the administration have continued to lie about a recession with BS surveys and hiding numbers in the housing market etc. Those who truly pay attention understand what is going on. Our current president and administration completely failed the american people playing ideological politics. People are fed up with the BS hence lowest approval ratings etc.
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Keystone was about getting thick, nasty, toxic Canadian tar sands oil to refineries on the southern US coast wasn't it? And then shipping it overseas, yeah...
Keystone was about getting thick, nasty, toxic Canadian tar sands oil to refineries on the southern US coast wasn't it? And then shipping it overseas, yeah? We can't use that stuff here. It would suck for it to spill here, it's nasty stuff. What does that have to do with anything? And don't we have reserves? We also have thousands of untapped drilling permits. Why aren't companies drilling? Seems like a lot of misinformation in that mess.

And seriously, you didn't realize the economy was in trouble even before COVID? Really? Come on man, this is the interwebs, do you know about google?
Tell me about it . I was seriously getting sick of getting quarterly 401k statements with double digit percentage increases , even during the pandemic. Thankfully Joe Bidens policies put a halt to all that foolishness.
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I think EID and Joey had a baby and named him Old Fart.
I think Trumpers hate when faced with truth and facts, so they resort to personal attacks when they lack the goods to debate like adults.
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Zycki11 wrote:
No, Saudi, Canada, US, Russia all had large reserves on hand which is why fuel was cheap. Guess what happens when Russia goes to war, the...
No, Saudi, Canada, US, Russia all had large reserves on hand which is why fuel was cheap. Guess what happens when Russia goes to war, the keystone pipeline is canceled, and permits are dropped to support the "green new deal"? Reserves get chewed up quickly by consumers...EU doesn't want Russian oil so they turn to Saudi who sits and laughs because they have Biden by the balls who is now begging for them to produce more instead of producing more here in the US. Please try and understand more about global and domestic economics. Now Biden is caught in a rock and a hard place pulling the shenanigans on day 1 in office. Core inflation is up, the fed and the administration have continued to lie about a recession with BS surveys and hiding numbers in the housing market etc. Those who truly pay attention understand what is going on. Our current president and administration completely failed the american people playing ideological politics. People are fed up with the BS hence lowest approval ratings etc.
oldfart wrote:
Keystone was about getting thick, nasty, toxic Canadian tar sands oil to refineries on the southern US coast wasn't it? And then shipping it overseas, yeah...
Keystone was about getting thick, nasty, toxic Canadian tar sands oil to refineries on the southern US coast wasn't it? And then shipping it overseas, yeah? We can't use that stuff here. It would suck for it to spill here, it's nasty stuff. What does that have to do with anything? And don't we have reserves? We also have thousands of untapped drilling permits. Why aren't companies drilling? Seems like a lot of misinformation in that mess.

And seriously, you didn't realize the economy was in trouble even before COVID? Really? Come on man, this is the interwebs, do you know about google?
Jeremy A.K. wrote:
Tell me about it . I was seriously getting sick of getting quarterly 401k statements with double digit percentage increases , even during the pandemic. Thankfully...
Tell me about it . I was seriously getting sick of getting quarterly 401k statements with double digit percentage increases , even during the pandemic. Thankfully Joe Bidens policies put a halt to all that foolishness.
Sounds kinda misleading. Are you a Trumper?
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oldfart wrote:
Reduced the deficit by 1.5 trillion, Biden did. Anything else?
25 seconds of research proved your argument wrong. The $ figure in this chart is in billions. The U.S. debt has grown since biden took office.
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oldfart wrote:
Reduced the deficit by 1.5 trillion, Biden did. Anything else?
Spurdo wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/06/12/554792/s1200_Screenshot_20220612_093042_Chrome.jpg[/img] 25 seconds of research proved your argument wrong. The $ figure in this chart is in billions. The U.S. debt has grown since biden took...
25 seconds of research proved your argument wrong. The $ figure in this chart is in billions. The U.S. debt has grown since biden took office.
Your "research" didn't prove anything, actually.

It truly amazes me how gullible Trumpers are. I think part of it comes from an inability to admit being wrong. You'll fall for or say anything to avoid admitting you were wrong.

It's sad, really.
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oldfart wrote:
Trump was the only POTUS in history to leave office with a negative jobs number, yeah?
Jeremy A.K. wrote:
Let's pretend the entire world wasn't shut down for his last year in office.
Robgvx wrote:
And while we’re at it, let’s pretend that a global pandemic, global factory/logistics shutdowns, global furlough payments, and Russia starting a war (meaning nobody has access...
And while we’re at it, let’s pretend that a global pandemic, global factory/logistics shutdowns, global furlough payments, and Russia starting a war (meaning nobody has access to Russian oil supplies) has anything to do with (worldwide) inflation and (worldwide) high fuel prices.

Yep, fuck Joe Biden for the world’s inflation.
Except those of us with a memory ,remember all of this started before russia stepped foot in ukraine , There was no shortages and record gas prices when Trump was in office and the pandemic was at its worse . Biden gets handed a vaccine from day one and still doubled the number of deaths under his term as well as supply shortages ,record fuel prices ,40 year high inflation rates . Just admit you are wrong .
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6/12/2022 6:40am
Jeremy A.K. wrote:
Let's pretend the entire world wasn't shut down for his last year in office.
Robgvx wrote:
And while we’re at it, let’s pretend that a global pandemic, global factory/logistics shutdowns, global furlough payments, and Russia starting a war (meaning nobody has access...
And while we’re at it, let’s pretend that a global pandemic, global factory/logistics shutdowns, global furlough payments, and Russia starting a war (meaning nobody has access to Russian oil supplies) has anything to do with (worldwide) inflation and (worldwide) high fuel prices.

Yep, fuck Joe Biden for the world’s inflation.
Jeremy A.K. wrote:
Except those of us with a memory ,remember all of this started before russia stepped foot in ukraine , There was no shortages and record gas...
Except those of us with a memory ,remember all of this started before russia stepped foot in ukraine , There was no shortages and record gas prices when Trump was in office and the pandemic was at its worse . Biden gets handed a vaccine from day one and still doubled the number of deaths under his term as well as supply shortages ,record fuel prices ,40 year high inflation rates . Just admit you are wrong .
There was record debt and deficit when Trump was in office. Remember when he said he would eliminate the debt? LMAO! And you saps fell for it. Now you are making excuses for it and trying to blame anyone but your guy for his failures.

Trying to debate facts with a Trumper is a lost cause.
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Jeremy A.K. 6/12/2022 6:45am
6/12/2022 6:45am
oldfart wrote:
Sounds kinda misleading. Are you a Trumper?
I'm in favor of the guy who allows me the best life for family and i, its not biden and sure as hell wasn't obama .Trump was clearly better then either of those for what i consider to be a successful president. If Tulsi ran for president against Trump i would vote for her . The problem with Tulsi is that even her own party won't endorse her because she doesn't have any plans to screw the middle class over like the current democrats narrative.
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