SX/MX without radios is so 20th century

philG
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The best racing bar none, is Dirt Oval Sprint and Late Models, and those guys dont even have mirrors.

Fucking radios on dirt bikes...

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I totally understand the safety aspect of having it. But the best part about being on a bike is no BS, Phone calls, texts, emails etc. Literally just you and the bike. Isn't that why we ride? I think training flaggers to be more vigilant would suffice.
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Johnny Ringo
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Radio would have been pretty quiet and useless for a few folks

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5/23/2022 2:46pm Edited Date/Time 5/23/2022 2:47pm
philG wrote:
The best racing bar none, is Dirt Oval Sprint and Late Models, and those guys dont even have mirrors.

Fucking radios on dirt bikes...

They do have one-way communication which is from the chief steward only.
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The rule is against outside assistance - I'm surprised we haven't seen audio communication from bike to rider. Data can be automated text-to-speech.

Such as warning signals, "Coolant temp is 210 degrees"

LitPro data has laptimes and even which lines are faster, "Turn 3 segment was 0.2 second faster than previous lap"

Heart rate data and respiration rate... again could be a triggered warning signal rather than constant reporting, "Respiration rate too low"

These would not violate the current rulebook:
Section 4.2 A7. Receiving any form of prohibited outside assistance, including, but not limited to, receiving radio transmissions while in competition.

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I think the nascar guys should use pitboards, how bout that
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5/23/2022 6:56pm Edited Date/Time 5/23/2022 7:11pm
I think the nascar guys should use pitboards, how bout that
NASCAR, Indy and F1 all used pit boards until around the time they stopped using cassette tapes.

hubbardmx50-Impoving safety would be a side benefit but I didn't want to upset the racing in dangerous get used to it and flagging is fine the way it is crowd. Reality is Brett Downey Foundation was formed 20 years ago and there are still MX tracks in operation without dedicated entry and exit points so won't hold my breath for any safety improvements any time soon.
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I think the nascar guys should use pitboards, how bout that
MotoGP uses pitboards and they are going past them at close to 200mph at some circuits. They also have a rudimentary text display used by teams and race direction.

I think a simple red light on the handlebars that indicates a red cross flag is out on the track and penalties will be assessed for jumping or overtaking in the flagged section would be useful. The light activation would be timestamped with the race timer so they could go back and say it was activated at 10:35 and you jumped in the red flag area at 10:40, you get a penalty. It would also alert guys to look for a flag somewhere on track..

Laptimes and info are fine on the pit board. If they need more info the rider and mechanic can work out a code between them to communicate, like baseball.
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philG wrote:
The best racing bar none, is Dirt Oval Sprint and Late Models, and those guys dont even have mirrors.

Fucking radios on dirt bikes...

Karting doesn't either. We don't even have pit boards. Just crack on.

The reason F1 is so wedded to radio is because the complexity of the cars and engines and various settings. The FIA have tried to control what is communicated to the drivers to. Coaching isn't 'allowed' technically iirc. However, it now makes great content for the entertainment side of the sport. I am not sure that'd work in SX though because at race speeds I highly doubt the riders will have enough breath to talk coherently.


Either way, it's not essential for MX/SX. For me it would take away something from the purity of the racing.
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The guys who hire lawyers so Harley-Davidson riders don't have to wear helmets are not the same people who write the Supercross/Motocross rules. For that, you...
The guys who hire lawyers so Harley-Davidson riders don't have to wear helmets are not the same people who write the Supercross/Motocross rules. For that, you want AMA Pro Racing:



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Not true. AMA Pro has nothing to do with SX
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5/25/2022 9:14am Edited Date/Time 5/25/2022 9:18am
early wrote:
MotoGP uses pitboards and they are going past them at close to 200mph at some circuits. They also have a rudimentary text display used by teams...
MotoGP uses pitboards and they are going past them at close to 200mph at some circuits. They also have a rudimentary text display used by teams and race direction.

I think a simple red light on the handlebars that indicates a red cross flag is out on the track and penalties will be assessed for jumping or overtaking in the flagged section would be useful. The light activation would be timestamped with the race timer so they could go back and say it was activated at 10:35 and you jumped in the red flag area at 10:40, you get a penalty. It would also alert guys to look for a flag somewhere on track..

Laptimes and info are fine on the pit board. If they need more info the rider and mechanic can work out a code between them to communicate, like baseball.
My OP wasn't safety related but I like where you're going. I appreciate the MotoGP information and do they have classic finishes or what?. Regardless if it is a red light on handlebars. whatever the solution, we have to eliminate the "but I didn't see it" response. Vibrating grips? MyLaps is working on some type of rider signalling but haven't seen any details yet. Think they're looking at a visor mounted deal but not 100%.sure about that.

In MXGP with their dedicated pit boxes, they don't have the bullpen setting we have for SX and MX. Be interesting to hear what a mechanic who has worked in both environments has to say about this topic.

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You ever tried talking to someone whilst riding a 4 stroke? You really wanna hear distorted engine noises and heavy breathing?
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It's an expense mx can do without.
Probably a minor expense to the factory teams.

It would just be another way to increase the gap between the factory racers and the privateers.
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Jonny Crash Noise canceling headphones allows for clear communications in loud environments like NASCAR, F1 and Indy machines wide open at 200 plus. Riders would be in receive mode and be a no brainer to have the signal broadcast to a switchback or other area of the track that wouldn't be WFO to lessen the background noise further.

RichieW13 Transponders didn't increase the gap between factory racers and privateers. Adding communications would be similar except ideally there wouldn't be anything to return to the AMA like they did with transponders for so long. Even if receivers have to be purchased for the helmet, provided there is some type of caution signaling component, it would be a worthwhile investment to avoid crashing after a blind jump. Replacing pit boards with radios, race mechanics know better than any of us keyboard warriors but regardless, we still have room for improvement when it comes to caution flags.


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Jonny Crash Noise canceling headphones allows for clear communications in loud environments like NASCAR, F1 and Indy machines wide open at 200 plus. Riders would be...
Jonny Crash Noise canceling headphones allows for clear communications in loud environments like NASCAR, F1 and Indy machines wide open at 200 plus. Riders would be in receive mode and be a no brainer to have the signal broadcast to a switchback or other area of the track that wouldn't be WFO to lessen the background noise further.

RichieW13 Transponders didn't increase the gap between factory racers and privateers. Adding communications would be similar except ideally there wouldn't be anything to return to the AMA like they did with transponders for so long. Even if receivers have to be purchased for the helmet, provided there is some type of caution signaling component, it would be a worthwhile investment to avoid crashing after a blind jump. Replacing pit boards with radios, race mechanics know better than any of us keyboard warriors but regardless, we still have room for improvement when it comes to caution flags.


Why would transponders increase the gap?
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Jonny Crash Noise canceling headphones allows for clear communications in loud environments like NASCAR, F1 and Indy machines wide open at 200 plus. Riders would be...
Jonny Crash Noise canceling headphones allows for clear communications in loud environments like NASCAR, F1 and Indy machines wide open at 200 plus. Riders would be in receive mode and be a no brainer to have the signal broadcast to a switchback or other area of the track that wouldn't be WFO to lessen the background noise further.

RichieW13 Transponders didn't increase the gap between factory racers and privateers. Adding communications would be similar except ideally there wouldn't be anything to return to the AMA like they did with transponders for so long. Even if receivers have to be purchased for the helmet, provided there is some type of caution signaling component, it would be a worthwhile investment to avoid crashing after a blind jump. Replacing pit boards with radios, race mechanics know better than any of us keyboard warriors but regardless, we still have room for improvement when it comes to caution flags.


It doesn't matter how good the headphones are what do you expect to hear when the riders blowing out of his arse 15 minutes into a 2nd moto. These guys struggle to speak on the podium sometimes
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Once SX/MX goes all electric, the teams can just yell out to the riders.
DEMONDAVE wrote:
well i just spit out coffee laughing my ass offLaughing
Hilarious… but in all seriousness if the electrification of the sport is a must happen, then maybe we could see a split where indoors goes all electric and outdoors/nationals stay ICE.

If those supercross only dweebs want to ride e-bikes all day let them. Then people who want to ride ICE bikes can show up at the national tracks in the middle of no where and make noise all day in glorious fashion.
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philG wrote:
The best racing bar none, is Dirt Oval Sprint and Late Models, and those guys dont even have mirrors.

Fucking radios on dirt bikes...

We do have one way radios though but it’s only to the officials.

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