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Research the " tu quoque fallacy". Won't take long.
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3 pages in and I still don't understand why any of this actually matters? What's going down in May?
"What's going down in May?"

Outdoors!
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Bwaaahaaahaaahaaaa
APLMAN99 wrote:
So you're one of those whose litmus test is undying loyalty to the deity? Because if you weren't, you'd know that other than her vote's to...
So you're one of those whose litmus test is undying loyalty to the deity? Because if you weren't, you'd know that other than her vote's to hold Trump accountable she is pretty much right in the middle of the present day 'conservative' party.

But fealty to the Chosen One does seem to be the only thing that matters to the Rs (or anyone who plays the tribe game I suppose) these days.......

Since you don't seem to really understand where her voting record stands, I'll give you this free of charge:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/liz_cheney/412732



TeamGreen wrote:
Let me retort in-kind... For starters, NO...and thanks for labeling & telling me what I'm "for". As others have said: You just went Full Dave. What's...
Let me retort in-kind...

For starters, NO...and thanks for labeling & telling me what I'm "for".

As others have said: You just went Full Dave. What's next, your "Why I had to leave Vital" suicide note...just like Dave?

Im gonna advise you just like I did Dave: make sure you don't talk to grown-ass men like that...in person.
Especially in Texas!
Grinning

Btw, and while we're here...
Do you have ANY clue as to what an actual INSURRECTION is?

About Liz...

Cheney's getting dropped to the curb this November for being the absolute worst example of "Establishment Republican"(Other than that other little Liberal Darling, Adam Kinzinger). Also, she's soooooo invested in this little "commission" of her DC group-thinkers; but, like many in here, in DC, in the Media...lefties and libs in general...

Well, it's like this, y'all don't seem to remember nor care about alllllll the riots, destruction, looting, murder, absolute theft and mayhem...and other ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE ANARCHY...in places like...
Portland
Minneapolis
Chicago
Los Angeles
New York
San Francisco
Oakland
Etc., etc., etc. ...

So, to all of you I'll say...

Hypocrite much?

You see, to many of us, with common-sense, Jan 6th was just another riot in the wake of all that RIDICULOUS ALLOWANCE of Societal Chaos...allowed by you and yours. Not me or mine...we were screaming,"Send in The Guard...The Riot Squad, whatever; But, STOP THE MADNESS!"

No worries.
See you in November.
Revolution Calling...of a political swing that's gonna make your head explode.

Note: just like with Dave, I can tell when I've hit a nerve. That's on you, not me.
There’s a lot of bizarro shit in there, hard to know where to start. Apparently you’ve had a lot more nerves hit in order to go on such an unhinged rant.

As for your advice, it’s comical at best. Perhaps you aren’t used to talking to us grown ass men, and still have some sort of fantasy idea that being from Texas is special, but adults know different. 😆

Manny, it’s very clear that you have no understanding of Liz Cheney’s voting record other than the fact that she voted to do the right thing when it came to your messiah, and that alone has you enraged against her. She’s a solid ideological Republican, but just won’t swallow her principles the way that trumpanzees want her to and that is what has put a target on her.

As for riots, you’re pretty far off base but it’s not surprising as you have drifted away from reason. I was never a supporter of rioting/looting/mayhem. To infer otherwise is simply a bald faced lie that you must need to tell yourself in order to calm your cognitive dissonance.

You’ve gone off the deep end of late, and claiming that the Jan 6 attack wasn’t an insurrection is just another example of your devolution.
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Read it AGAIN:

Establishment Republican
Jan 6th Commission...The Select Committee to Investigate ...blah, blah, blah...
You are actually trying to tell me that you can't see or understand that she's just like the rest of 'Establishment DC'?
You missed that?

Meanwhile, I'm "unhinged"? Ok, Dave. Grinning

Also, where were you when alllll the discussion about alllll those riot was taking place?
Where did you call for The Guard or The Riot Squads to come in and STOP ALL OF IT?
Where were you on CHAZ/CHAD?

No worries. Instead of replying, just pull your usual shit cut-n-paste shit as if you're gonna educate me on Liz being a certain sort of Conservative or whatever. Again, "Establishment"...there-in lies THE PROBLEM. Capisce?

You have a new title: "Dave II" Smile

Still chuckling at your fealty comment. What an arrogant little man you must be. "Inferiority Complex"...much? Cheerful
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your head gasket has popped,,

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Lmfao , that was great! Haha!! And coming from Portland , I'd say it's pretty spot on. Laughing Laughing
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APLMAN99 wrote:
So you're one of those whose litmus test is undying loyalty to the deity? Because if you weren't, you'd know that other than her vote's to...
So you're one of those whose litmus test is undying loyalty to the deity? Because if you weren't, you'd know that other than her vote's to hold Trump accountable she is pretty much right in the middle of the present day 'conservative' party.

But fealty to the Chosen One does seem to be the only thing that matters to the Rs (or anyone who plays the tribe game I suppose) these days.......

Since you don't seem to really understand where her voting record stands, I'll give you this free of charge:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/liz_cheney/412732



TeamGreen wrote:
Let me retort in-kind... For starters, NO...and thanks for labeling & telling me what I'm "for". As others have said: You just went Full Dave. What's...
Let me retort in-kind...

For starters, NO...and thanks for labeling & telling me what I'm "for".

As others have said: You just went Full Dave. What's next, your "Why I had to leave Vital" suicide note...just like Dave?

Im gonna advise you just like I did Dave: make sure you don't talk to grown-ass men like that...in person.
Especially in Texas!
Grinning

Btw, and while we're here...
Do you have ANY clue as to what an actual INSURRECTION is?

About Liz...

Cheney's getting dropped to the curb this November for being the absolute worst example of "Establishment Republican"(Other than that other little Liberal Darling, Adam Kinzinger). Also, she's soooooo invested in this little "commission" of her DC group-thinkers; but, like many in here, in DC, in the Media...lefties and libs in general...

Well, it's like this, y'all don't seem to remember nor care about alllllll the riots, destruction, looting, murder, absolute theft and mayhem...and other ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE ANARCHY...in places like...
Portland
Minneapolis
Chicago
Los Angeles
New York
San Francisco
Oakland
Etc., etc., etc. ...

So, to all of you I'll say...

Hypocrite much?

You see, to many of us, with common-sense, Jan 6th was just another riot in the wake of all that RIDICULOUS ALLOWANCE of Societal Chaos...allowed by you and yours. Not me or mine...we were screaming,"Send in The Guard...The Riot Squad, whatever; But, STOP THE MADNESS!"

No worries.
See you in November.
Revolution Calling...of a political swing that's gonna make your head explode.

Note: just like with Dave, I can tell when I've hit a nerve. That's on you, not me.
APLMAN99 wrote:
There’s a lot of bizarro shit in there, hard to know where to start. Apparently you’ve had a lot more nerves hit in order to go...
There’s a lot of bizarro shit in there, hard to know where to start. Apparently you’ve had a lot more nerves hit in order to go on such an unhinged rant.

As for your advice, it’s comical at best. Perhaps you aren’t used to talking to us grown ass men, and still have some sort of fantasy idea that being from Texas is special, but adults know different. 😆

Manny, it’s very clear that you have no understanding of Liz Cheney’s voting record other than the fact that she voted to do the right thing when it came to your messiah, and that alone has you enraged against her. She’s a solid ideological Republican, but just won’t swallow her principles the way that trumpanzees want her to and that is what has put a target on her.

As for riots, you’re pretty far off base but it’s not surprising as you have drifted away from reason. I was never a supporter of rioting/looting/mayhem. To infer otherwise is simply a bald faced lie that you must need to tell yourself in order to calm your cognitive dissonance.

You’ve gone off the deep end of late, and claiming that the Jan 6 attack wasn’t an insurrection is just another example of your devolution.
APL....those people basically were let in through multiple doors , taking selfies with security. Besides the very small group that tried to bust the door down where the veteran lady was shot and killed.....there was no insurrection. Why do you think the videos are very hard to come by?? That whole Jan 6th shit , was complete bullshit.

Fucking A!! I just moved from N Portland , and besides down town , it was the worst place in the city. Literally every single night , far Left Antifa and BLM attacked the police , burned shit down , looted , with an occasional shooting!!

Please don't even compare Jan 6th , to what my city went through every God damn night for 5 years strait!! Our murder rate was up 1600% for Christ sakes! They fire bombed Federal buildings , while trapping people inside.

Jan 6th was an effing JOKE!! It was made into something it was not! C'mon man , open your damn eyes!!
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APLMAN99 wrote:
So you're one of those whose litmus test is undying loyalty to the deity? Because if you weren't, you'd know that other than her vote's to...
So you're one of those whose litmus test is undying loyalty to the deity? Because if you weren't, you'd know that other than her vote's to hold Trump accountable she is pretty much right in the middle of the present day 'conservative' party.

But fealty to the Chosen One does seem to be the only thing that matters to the Rs (or anyone who plays the tribe game I suppose) these days.......

Since you don't seem to really understand where her voting record stands, I'll give you this free of charge:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/liz_cheney/412732



TeamGreen wrote:
Let me retort in-kind... For starters, NO...and thanks for labeling & telling me what I'm "for". As others have said: You just went Full Dave. What's...
Let me retort in-kind...

For starters, NO...and thanks for labeling & telling me what I'm "for".

As others have said: You just went Full Dave. What's next, your "Why I had to leave Vital" suicide note...just like Dave?

Im gonna advise you just like I did Dave: make sure you don't talk to grown-ass men like that...in person.
Especially in Texas!
Grinning

Btw, and while we're here...
Do you have ANY clue as to what an actual INSURRECTION is?

About Liz...

Cheney's getting dropped to the curb this November for being the absolute worst example of "Establishment Republican"(Other than that other little Liberal Darling, Adam Kinzinger). Also, she's soooooo invested in this little "commission" of her DC group-thinkers; but, like many in here, in DC, in the Media...lefties and libs in general...

Well, it's like this, y'all don't seem to remember nor care about alllllll the riots, destruction, looting, murder, absolute theft and mayhem...and other ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE ANARCHY...in places like...
Portland
Minneapolis
Chicago
Los Angeles
New York
San Francisco
Oakland
Etc., etc., etc. ...

So, to all of you I'll say...

Hypocrite much?

You see, to many of us, with common-sense, Jan 6th was just another riot in the wake of all that RIDICULOUS ALLOWANCE of Societal Chaos...allowed by you and yours. Not me or mine...we were screaming,"Send in The Guard...The Riot Squad, whatever; But, STOP THE MADNESS!"

No worries.
See you in November.
Revolution Calling...of a political swing that's gonna make your head explode.

Note: just like with Dave, I can tell when I've hit a nerve. That's on you, not me.
APLMAN99 wrote:
There’s a lot of bizarro shit in there, hard to know where to start. Apparently you’ve had a lot more nerves hit in order to go...
There’s a lot of bizarro shit in there, hard to know where to start. Apparently you’ve had a lot more nerves hit in order to go on such an unhinged rant.

As for your advice, it’s comical at best. Perhaps you aren’t used to talking to us grown ass men, and still have some sort of fantasy idea that being from Texas is special, but adults know different. 😆

Manny, it’s very clear that you have no understanding of Liz Cheney’s voting record other than the fact that she voted to do the right thing when it came to your messiah, and that alone has you enraged against her. She’s a solid ideological Republican, but just won’t swallow her principles the way that trumpanzees want her to and that is what has put a target on her.

As for riots, you’re pretty far off base but it’s not surprising as you have drifted away from reason. I was never a supporter of rioting/looting/mayhem. To infer otherwise is simply a bald faced lie that you must need to tell yourself in order to calm your cognitive dissonance.

You’ve gone off the deep end of late, and claiming that the Jan 6 attack wasn’t an insurrection is just another example of your devolution.
Apl… instead of bringing up all of your favorite liberal talking points, just give us a list of all the things that are sooo much better under geriatric Brandon’s
administration..

Tell us how much you love our gas prices.

As far as the “insurrection”, isn’t it kind of funny if it was supposed to be so planned out and violent that they forgot to bring their guns?

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TeamGreen wrote:
Let me retort in-kind... For starters, NO...and thanks for labeling & telling me what I'm "for". As others have said: You just went Full Dave. What's...
Let me retort in-kind...

For starters, NO...and thanks for labeling & telling me what I'm "for".

As others have said: You just went Full Dave. What's next, your "Why I had to leave Vital" suicide note...just like Dave?

Im gonna advise you just like I did Dave: make sure you don't talk to grown-ass men like that...in person.
Especially in Texas!
Grinning

Btw, and while we're here...
Do you have ANY clue as to what an actual INSURRECTION is?

About Liz...

Cheney's getting dropped to the curb this November for being the absolute worst example of "Establishment Republican"(Other than that other little Liberal Darling, Adam Kinzinger). Also, she's soooooo invested in this little "commission" of her DC group-thinkers; but, like many in here, in DC, in the Media...lefties and libs in general...

Well, it's like this, y'all don't seem to remember nor care about alllllll the riots, destruction, looting, murder, absolute theft and mayhem...and other ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE ANARCHY...in places like...
Portland
Minneapolis
Chicago
Los Angeles
New York
San Francisco
Oakland
Etc., etc., etc. ...

So, to all of you I'll say...

Hypocrite much?

You see, to many of us, with common-sense, Jan 6th was just another riot in the wake of all that RIDICULOUS ALLOWANCE of Societal Chaos...allowed by you and yours. Not me or mine...we were screaming,"Send in The Guard...The Riot Squad, whatever; But, STOP THE MADNESS!"

No worries.
See you in November.
Revolution Calling...of a political swing that's gonna make your head explode.

Note: just like with Dave, I can tell when I've hit a nerve. That's on you, not me.
APLMAN99 wrote:
There’s a lot of bizarro shit in there, hard to know where to start. Apparently you’ve had a lot more nerves hit in order to go...
There’s a lot of bizarro shit in there, hard to know where to start. Apparently you’ve had a lot more nerves hit in order to go on such an unhinged rant.

As for your advice, it’s comical at best. Perhaps you aren’t used to talking to us grown ass men, and still have some sort of fantasy idea that being from Texas is special, but adults know different. 😆

Manny, it’s very clear that you have no understanding of Liz Cheney’s voting record other than the fact that she voted to do the right thing when it came to your messiah, and that alone has you enraged against her. She’s a solid ideological Republican, but just won’t swallow her principles the way that trumpanzees want her to and that is what has put a target on her.

As for riots, you’re pretty far off base but it’s not surprising as you have drifted away from reason. I was never a supporter of rioting/looting/mayhem. To infer otherwise is simply a bald faced lie that you must need to tell yourself in order to calm your cognitive dissonance.

You’ve gone off the deep end of late, and claiming that the Jan 6 attack wasn’t an insurrection is just another example of your devolution.
Gworm wrote:
Apl… instead of bringing up all of your favorite liberal talking points, just give us a list of all the things that are sooo much better...
Apl… instead of bringing up all of your favorite liberal talking points, just give us a list of all the things that are sooo much better under geriatric Brandon’s
administration..

Tell us how much you love our gas prices.

As far as the “insurrection”, isn’t it kind of funny if it was supposed to be so planned out and violent that they forgot to bring their guns?

Exactly!!!
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If there is one thing Ive learned in the past few years, the ones that are in denial, there is no amount of evidence or logic that is gonna sway them. Seriously. The USA literally is going to shit before our eyes, by every measure there is, and these guys are still bringing up orange man allusions to keep the conversation way from the reality that we NOW have a man in office who has been a habitual liar and corrupt career politician his entire life (there is decades of video proof to corroborate this) and is literally going thru the stages of dementia before our eyes.. Half the time he has no clue where he even is and his handlers are herding him around like a resident in an Alzheimer's Facility. He has no scruples, no moral compass and is a bumbling, inept puppet in his dotage being controlled by socialist progressives (and enabled by 99% of the media, big tech and entertainment industry) hell bent on turning the USA into a shithole.

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TeamGreen wrote:
Read it AGAIN: Establishment Republican Jan 6th Commission...The Select Committee to Investigate ...blah, blah, blah... You are actually trying to tell me that you can't see...
Read it AGAIN:

Establishment Republican
Jan 6th Commission...The Select Committee to Investigate ...blah, blah, blah...
You are actually trying to tell me that you can't see or understand that she's just like the rest of 'Establishment DC'?
You missed that?

Meanwhile, I'm "unhinged"? Ok, Dave. Grinning

Also, where were you when alllll the discussion about alllll those riot was taking place?
Where did you call for The Guard or The Riot Squads to come in and STOP ALL OF IT?
Where were you on CHAZ/CHAD?

No worries. Instead of replying, just pull your usual shit cut-n-paste shit as if you're gonna educate me on Liz being a certain sort of Conservative or whatever. Again, "Establishment"...there-in lies THE PROBLEM. Capisce?

You have a new title: "Dave II" Smile

Still chuckling at your fealty comment. What an arrogant little man you must be. "Inferiority Complex"...much? Cheerful
Yes, you are unhinged.

You were replying to my point about how calling her a RINO is an ignorant statement, and it is. If you don't like Republicans, that's fine. But even without the 'Republican' tag, there is more solidly conservative than at least half of the Republican's in the House and Senate. You had no idea about her voting record other than she voted to do the right thing on Trump, and that hurt your feels so you ignorantly begin calling her a lib. What's sad is that you are needing to be so divided on things that your view on whether someone is a con or a lib is based on their devotion to your deity.

I was right here when the discussions of the protests and/or the riots were taking place. I was and am strongly against violence as a means to achieve a message. I did support marchers, but not rioters who damaged property or injured other people. I have been very consistent in that for decades, and will remain so. I was disappointed that the Seattle police were so quick to leave the CHAZ zone, and I abhor the violence that took place there. I am, though, somewhat grateful that it did not turn in to a bloodbath with even more innocent people and law enforcement officers killed or seriously hurt which could have easily happened. My son lives just a few miles north of there and his reports of going there were not as bad as you were probably hearing about from Tucker Carlson, but the folks that they could identify who were acting to keep the police out or hurt others should definitely be sitting in prison in my view.

I was and am in favor of using law enforcement to stop people from breaking the law, but not to quell people who are exercising their First Amendment rights. You should be too. You seem to be of the belief that anyone who inconveniences you while sharing a different viewpoint should be assaulted by the military. We will never agree on that, obviously.

As for my inferiority complex, maybe I do have one from time to time. I'm too close to be objective, so I'll take your word for it. But it'll take me quite a bit of time to catch up with yours, I'm sure!
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TeamGreen wrote:
Let me retort in-kind... For starters, NO...and thanks for labeling & telling me what I'm "for". As others have said: You just went Full Dave. What's...
Let me retort in-kind...

For starters, NO...and thanks for labeling & telling me what I'm "for".

As others have said: You just went Full Dave. What's next, your "Why I had to leave Vital" suicide note...just like Dave?

Im gonna advise you just like I did Dave: make sure you don't talk to grown-ass men like that...in person.
Especially in Texas!
Grinning

Btw, and while we're here...
Do you have ANY clue as to what an actual INSURRECTION is?

About Liz...

Cheney's getting dropped to the curb this November for being the absolute worst example of "Establishment Republican"(Other than that other little Liberal Darling, Adam Kinzinger). Also, she's soooooo invested in this little "commission" of her DC group-thinkers; but, like many in here, in DC, in the Media...lefties and libs in general...

Well, it's like this, y'all don't seem to remember nor care about alllllll the riots, destruction, looting, murder, absolute theft and mayhem...and other ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE ANARCHY...in places like...
Portland
Minneapolis
Chicago
Los Angeles
New York
San Francisco
Oakland
Etc., etc., etc. ...

So, to all of you I'll say...

Hypocrite much?

You see, to many of us, with common-sense, Jan 6th was just another riot in the wake of all that RIDICULOUS ALLOWANCE of Societal Chaos...allowed by you and yours. Not me or mine...we were screaming,"Send in The Guard...The Riot Squad, whatever; But, STOP THE MADNESS!"

No worries.
See you in November.
Revolution Calling...of a political swing that's gonna make your head explode.

Note: just like with Dave, I can tell when I've hit a nerve. That's on you, not me.
APLMAN99 wrote:
There’s a lot of bizarro shit in there, hard to know where to start. Apparently you’ve had a lot more nerves hit in order to go...
There’s a lot of bizarro shit in there, hard to know where to start. Apparently you’ve had a lot more nerves hit in order to go on such an unhinged rant.

As for your advice, it’s comical at best. Perhaps you aren’t used to talking to us grown ass men, and still have some sort of fantasy idea that being from Texas is special, but adults know different. 😆

Manny, it’s very clear that you have no understanding of Liz Cheney’s voting record other than the fact that she voted to do the right thing when it came to your messiah, and that alone has you enraged against her. She’s a solid ideological Republican, but just won’t swallow her principles the way that trumpanzees want her to and that is what has put a target on her.

As for riots, you’re pretty far off base but it’s not surprising as you have drifted away from reason. I was never a supporter of rioting/looting/mayhem. To infer otherwise is simply a bald faced lie that you must need to tell yourself in order to calm your cognitive dissonance.

You’ve gone off the deep end of late, and claiming that the Jan 6 attack wasn’t an insurrection is just another example of your devolution.
jeffro503 wrote:
APL....those people basically were let in through multiple doors , taking selfies with security. Besides the very small group that tried to bust the door down...
APL....those people basically were let in through multiple doors , taking selfies with security. Besides the very small group that tried to bust the door down where the veteran lady was shot and killed.....there was no insurrection. Why do you think the videos are very hard to come by?? That whole Jan 6th shit , was complete bullshit.

Fucking A!! I just moved from N Portland , and besides down town , it was the worst place in the city. Literally every single night , far Left Antifa and BLM attacked the police , burned shit down , looted , with an occasional shooting!!

Please don't even compare Jan 6th , to what my city went through every God damn night for 5 years strait!! Our murder rate was up 1600% for Christ sakes! They fire bombed Federal buildings , while trapping people inside.

Jan 6th was an effing JOKE!! It was made into something it was not! C'mon man , open your damn eyes!!
Jeffro, you've swallowed the whole pitcher of Kook-Aid if you are excusing the Jan 6 event like that.

Portland definitely saw an increase in murders over the last several years. But 1600%? C'mon, even you know that is bullshit don't you? Do you understand what 1600% means? Or is it something that you heard that sounds good for your viewpoint?

I don't live in Portland, but I have 2 daughters who do/did. My youngest moved out to Hillsboro, but my oldest had marchers up her street fairly often. It has been scary at times. And while I didn't go down there very often during the protests and riots in 2020, I did stay downtown during some of the clashes between the Patriot Prayer folks who came into town just to cause trouble with the locals a few times. One of those times we were a block and a half away from what the news was describing as a huge conflict, and we didn't even realize anything was going on.

Obviously the 2020 stuff got even more serious, but to downplay what occurred on Jan 6 is asinine at best.

Open your damn eyes also, and stop making excuses for the shit that occurred that day. The only explanation is that you are willing to excuse it because you liked what occurred as they were in alignment with your politics.
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Democrats: 2020-2022: Anybody that questions election results is a conspiracy theorist and traitor.

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Aplman,
I was the one that referred is Liz as a Rino. You may be right, she’s more of a bitter, backstabbing, establishment republican. Just like Romney and Kinsinger.

But you keep saying she did the right thing voting to impeach Trump. Please explain what he did that was impeachable. Then compare that to Biden letting all of the fentanyl and human traffickers across the border, leaving all those behind in Afghanistan, along with 80 billion in our equipment, purposely letting our energy costs increase to crippling amounts, among other intentional damage to our country. And all of the corruption he and his son are working together on.

And as for Jan 6, it seems the left has no questions about why Pelosi didn’t accept offers of National Guard forces for security. Or how the Capital Police LET THEM IN. I was watching on TV and horrified by the stupidity of so many to do what they did, but to call it an insurrection is asinine.

If you think there were no instigators there from the left, you are so brainwashed by the left it’s not even funny.

edit: Also, you normally see the word “armed” before the word insurrection for a reason. That was no insurrection.
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Aplman, I was the one that referred is Liz as a Rino. You may be right, she’s more of a bitter, backstabbing, establishment republican. Just like...
Aplman,
I was the one that referred is Liz as a Rino. You may be right, she’s more of a bitter, backstabbing, establishment republican. Just like Romney and Kinsinger.

But you keep saying she did the right thing voting to impeach Trump. Please explain what he did that was impeachable. Then compare that to Biden letting all of the fentanyl and human traffickers across the border, leaving all those behind in Afghanistan, along with 80 billion in our equipment, purposely letting our energy costs increase to crippling amounts, among other intentional damage to our country. And all of the corruption he and his son are working together on.

And as for Jan 6, it seems the left has no questions about why Pelosi didn’t accept offers of National Guard forces for security. Or how the Capital Police LET THEM IN. I was watching on TV and horrified by the stupidity of so many to do what they did, but to call it an insurrection is asinine.

If you think there were no instigators there from the left, you are so brainwashed by the left it’s not even funny.

edit: Also, you normally see the word “armed” before the word insurrection for a reason. That was no insurrection.
Don’t forget about the FBI and Ray Epps. I’m sure that’s a non issue lol
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A good read imo..
The False and Exaggerated Claims Still Being Spread About the Capitol Riot

I don't condone any of the violence that took place at the capitol on January 6th but I've seen enough footage of the whole event to know that the media exaggerated what happened that day to make it look worse than it actually was.
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A good read imo.. [url=https://scheerpost.com/2021/02/18/the-false-and-exaggerated-claims-still-being-spread-about-the-capitol-riot/]The False and Exaggerated Claims Still Being Spread About the Capitol Riot [/url] I don't condone any of the violence that took...
A good read imo..
The False and Exaggerated Claims Still Being Spread About the Capitol Riot

I don't condone any of the violence that took place at the capitol on January 6th but I've seen enough footage of the whole event to know that the media exaggerated what happened that day to make it look worse than it actually was.
Not big fan of Greenwald but he gets it right on this one. Substack has some good reporting on MSM.
However, I would be leery of anyone that didn't find this footage disturbing.
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I was hoping he would be successfully impeached the day he took office but he didn't do anything to deserve it until the 2020 election. He...
I was hoping he would be successfully impeached the day he took office but he didn't do anything to deserve it until the 2020 election. He did more to poison our democracy in those last few weeks than the rest of the 4 years put together. However, I understand why McCarthy and McConnel didn't follow through. They knew they were not going to get the votes so why lose their leadership status over something that has become extinct in Washington;principle.
freeh wrote:
What exactly did he to to poison our democracy? Seems a bit dramatic.
borg wrote:
He convinced possibly millions of people into thinking our elections are rigged. He was even capable of getting enough of them so convinced that they stormed...
He convinced possibly millions of people into thinking our elections are rigged. He was even capable of getting enough of them so convinced that they stormed the Capital building. The sonofabitch didn't even have the decency of Nixon who was most probably robbed of at least Illinois. Nixon lost by fewer votes and also had real evidence of systemic fraud unlike Trump who had none. Nixon ultimately decided against a challenge for the good of the country. Trump pushed us closer to ending one of the most valuable traditions this democracy can boast of: the peaceful transfer of power. I understand why Trump wont give it up. He cant. His extreme narcissism wont allow him to admit he was beaten. He's mentally ill. What is really sad is the number of Republicans who still maintain this fantasy of a stolen election.
Really? You think this is something new? You think Kennedy got in office without the election
having been manipulated? Do yo actually believe that old Joe got more legitimate votes than Obama?
I get that a lot of people liked Obama but Joe? Really? So you either have to believe that people liked
Joe so much more than Obama, or, there were shenanigans. Doesn't matter what anyone tells you, those
are your only 2 options.
And for the Jan 6th? Anyone that thinks it's anything more than a protest turned riot is just a drama queen.
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There’s a lot of bizarro shit in there, hard to know where to start. Apparently you’ve had a lot more nerves hit in order to go...
There’s a lot of bizarro shit in there, hard to know where to start. Apparently you’ve had a lot more nerves hit in order to go on such an unhinged rant.

As for your advice, it’s comical at best. Perhaps you aren’t used to talking to us grown ass men, and still have some sort of fantasy idea that being from Texas is special, but adults know different. 😆

Manny, it’s very clear that you have no understanding of Liz Cheney’s voting record other than the fact that she voted to do the right thing when it came to your messiah, and that alone has you enraged against her. She’s a solid ideological Republican, but just won’t swallow her principles the way that trumpanzees want her to and that is what has put a target on her.

As for riots, you’re pretty far off base but it’s not surprising as you have drifted away from reason. I was never a supporter of rioting/looting/mayhem. To infer otherwise is simply a bald faced lie that you must need to tell yourself in order to calm your cognitive dissonance.

You’ve gone off the deep end of late, and claiming that the Jan 6 attack wasn’t an insurrection is just another example of your devolution.
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APL....those people basically were let in through multiple doors , taking selfies with security. Besides the very small group that tried to bust the door down...
APL....those people basically were let in through multiple doors , taking selfies with security. Besides the very small group that tried to bust the door down where the veteran lady was shot and killed.....there was no insurrection. Why do you think the videos are very hard to come by?? That whole Jan 6th shit , was complete bullshit.

Fucking A!! I just moved from N Portland , and besides down town , it was the worst place in the city. Literally every single night , far Left Antifa and BLM attacked the police , burned shit down , looted , with an occasional shooting!!

Please don't even compare Jan 6th , to what my city went through every God damn night for 5 years strait!! Our murder rate was up 1600% for Christ sakes! They fire bombed Federal buildings , while trapping people inside.

Jan 6th was an effing JOKE!! It was made into something it was not! C'mon man , open your damn eyes!!
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Jeffro, you've swallowed the whole pitcher of Kook-Aid if you are excusing the Jan 6 event like that. Portland definitely saw an increase in murders over...
Jeffro, you've swallowed the whole pitcher of Kook-Aid if you are excusing the Jan 6 event like that.

Portland definitely saw an increase in murders over the last several years. But 1600%? C'mon, even you know that is bullshit don't you? Do you understand what 1600% means? Or is it something that you heard that sounds good for your viewpoint?

I don't live in Portland, but I have 2 daughters who do/did. My youngest moved out to Hillsboro, but my oldest had marchers up her street fairly often. It has been scary at times. And while I didn't go down there very often during the protests and riots in 2020, I did stay downtown during some of the clashes between the Patriot Prayer folks who came into town just to cause trouble with the locals a few times. One of those times we were a block and a half away from what the news was describing as a huge conflict, and we didn't even realize anything was going on.

Obviously the 2020 stuff got even more serious, but to downplay what occurred on Jan 6 is asinine at best.

Open your damn eyes also, and stop making excuses for the shit that occurred that day. The only explanation is that you are willing to excuse it because you liked what occurred as they were in alignment with your politics.
Poor ole' Johnny Apple Seed doin' his best fending off the talking points that got him into this spot in the first place. Sure was a lot easier when Libby the Gibreal was running to joint.

The pretense of the so-called insurrection was not merely the incidence itself, but that of judicial disparity and discrepancy of enforcement for pre-trial suspects. And now turning into a case so weak on merit, that a congressional committee has to be formed in order to bare charges to keep those responsible for chamber security from being culpable themselves. A real shit-show alright.

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freeh wrote:
What exactly did he to to poison our democracy? Seems a bit dramatic.
borg wrote:
He convinced possibly millions of people into thinking our elections are rigged. He was even capable of getting enough of them so convinced that they stormed...
He convinced possibly millions of people into thinking our elections are rigged. He was even capable of getting enough of them so convinced that they stormed the Capital building. The sonofabitch didn't even have the decency of Nixon who was most probably robbed of at least Illinois. Nixon lost by fewer votes and also had real evidence of systemic fraud unlike Trump who had none. Nixon ultimately decided against a challenge for the good of the country. Trump pushed us closer to ending one of the most valuable traditions this democracy can boast of: the peaceful transfer of power. I understand why Trump wont give it up. He cant. His extreme narcissism wont allow him to admit he was beaten. He's mentally ill. What is really sad is the number of Republicans who still maintain this fantasy of a stolen election.
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Really? You think this is something new? You think Kennedy got in office without the election having been manipulated? Do yo actually believe that old Joe...
Really? You think this is something new? You think Kennedy got in office without the election
having been manipulated? Do yo actually believe that old Joe got more legitimate votes than Obama?
I get that a lot of people liked Obama but Joe? Really? So you either have to believe that people liked
Joe so much more than Obama, or, there were shenanigans. Doesn't matter what anyone tells you, those
are your only 2 options.
And for the Jan 6th? Anyone that thinks it's anything more than a protest turned riot is just a drama queen.
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If you read my post you would notice that I mentioned the 1960 election and also that Nixon was screwed in Illinois. So no. I don't think this is something new.

As far as the 2 choices you gave, there is at least one more and that is that there were millions of votes for Biden that were really not as much for Biden as they were against Trump.

What is new is that this was the first time that the Capital building had never been occupied by a mob determined to obstruct the constitutional process. 1814 doesn't count.

Watch the video I posted a few posts back.
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I'm still trying to figure out why people are still in jail for "Illegal parading and trespassing".

Seems a little different than what the people creating anarchy every where else got.
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We will never know if the election was stolen. Sure, we saw the poll watchers kicked out. We saw the windows boarded up and they admitted they destroyed evidence. One can form an opinion but it's not proof. It's too bad really. If I was in charge of the DNC I would let any investigation go forward because I would feel confident and it would be a great opportunity to embarrass the Conservatives. But they are not so confident. It's interesting. Make up your own mind.

One funny thing" Anyone remember the video where they deleted the audio of Trump telling them to come peacefully but you can still see his lips moving? I am actually surprised they put that out.
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borg wrote:
He convinced possibly millions of people into thinking our elections are rigged. He was even capable of getting enough of them so convinced that they stormed...
He convinced possibly millions of people into thinking our elections are rigged. He was even capable of getting enough of them so convinced that they stormed the Capital building. The sonofabitch didn't even have the decency of Nixon who was most probably robbed of at least Illinois. Nixon lost by fewer votes and also had real evidence of systemic fraud unlike Trump who had none. Nixon ultimately decided against a challenge for the good of the country. Trump pushed us closer to ending one of the most valuable traditions this democracy can boast of: the peaceful transfer of power. I understand why Trump wont give it up. He cant. His extreme narcissism wont allow him to admit he was beaten. He's mentally ill. What is really sad is the number of Republicans who still maintain this fantasy of a stolen election.
ToolMaker wrote:
Really? You think this is something new? You think Kennedy got in office without the election having been manipulated? Do yo actually believe that old Joe...
Really? You think this is something new? You think Kennedy got in office without the election
having been manipulated? Do yo actually believe that old Joe got more legitimate votes than Obama?
I get that a lot of people liked Obama but Joe? Really? So you either have to believe that people liked
Joe so much more than Obama, or, there were shenanigans. Doesn't matter what anyone tells you, those
are your only 2 options.
And for the Jan 6th? Anyone that thinks it's anything more than a protest turned riot is just a drama queen.
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borg wrote:
If you read my post you would notice that I mentioned the 1960 election and also that Nixon was screwed in Illinois. So no. I don't...
If you read my post you would notice that I mentioned the 1960 election and also that Nixon was screwed in Illinois. So no. I don't think this is something new.

As far as the 2 choices you gave, there is at least one more and that is that there were millions of votes for Biden that were really not as much for Biden as they were against Trump.

What is new is that this was the first time that the Capital building had never been occupied by a mob determined to obstruct the constitutional process. 1814 doesn't count.

Watch the video I posted a few posts back.
We'll have to agree to disagree on your third option. The same people that didn't like Trump were already Obama voters. So you have to believe that more people voted for basement Joe than Rockstar Obama.
It just makes no logical sense. People loved and worshiped Obama. Joe was just basement furniture.
And again, the capitol was a protest gone terribly wrong. We might even find later the FBI had instigators to make that happen. They won't deny it so why should we?
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On Jan 5th Trump contacted the pentagon and suggested help from the national guard which he can't legally do, it has to come from Pelosi. She was also contacted but continues to maintain that she had no idea. It's all a matter of record.
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Free the J6 prisoners!
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On Jan 5th Trump contacted the pentagon and suggested help from the national guard which he can't legally do, it has to come from Pelosi. She...
On Jan 5th Trump contacted the pentagon and suggested help from the national guard which he can't legally do, it has to come from Pelosi. She was also contacted but continues to maintain that she had no idea. It's all a matter of record.
This is the opposite of what happened.

These tapes are being leaked because the new republican establishment is trying to get McCarthey and others out of the picture.
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Read it AGAIN: Establishment Republican Jan 6th Commission...The Select Committee to Investigate ...blah, blah, blah... You are actually trying to tell me that you can't see...
Read it AGAIN:

Establishment Republican
Jan 6th Commission...The Select Committee to Investigate ...blah, blah, blah...
You are actually trying to tell me that you can't see or understand that she's just like the rest of 'Establishment DC'?
You missed that?

Meanwhile, I'm "unhinged"? Ok, Dave. Grinning

Also, where were you when alllll the discussion about alllll those riot was taking place?
Where did you call for The Guard or The Riot Squads to come in and STOP ALL OF IT?
Where were you on CHAZ/CHAD?

No worries. Instead of replying, just pull your usual shit cut-n-paste shit as if you're gonna educate me on Liz being a certain sort of Conservative or whatever. Again, "Establishment"...there-in lies THE PROBLEM. Capisce?

You have a new title: "Dave II" Smile

Still chuckling at your fealty comment. What an arrogant little man you must be. "Inferiority Complex"...much? Cheerful
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Yes, you are unhinged. You were replying to my point about how calling her a RINO is an ignorant statement, and it is. If you don't...
Yes, you are unhinged.

You were replying to my point about how calling her a RINO is an ignorant statement, and it is. If you don't like Republicans, that's fine. But even without the 'Republican' tag, there is more solidly conservative than at least half of the Republican's in the House and Senate. You had no idea about her voting record other than she voted to do the right thing on Trump, and that hurt your feels so you ignorantly begin calling her a lib. What's sad is that you are needing to be so divided on things that your view on whether someone is a con or a lib is based on their devotion to your deity.

I was right here when the discussions of the protests and/or the riots were taking place. I was and am strongly against violence as a means to achieve a message. I did support marchers, but not rioters who damaged property or injured other people. I have been very consistent in that for decades, and will remain so. I was disappointed that the Seattle police were so quick to leave the CHAZ zone, and I abhor the violence that took place there. I am, though, somewhat grateful that it did not turn in to a bloodbath with even more innocent people and law enforcement officers killed or seriously hurt which could have easily happened. My son lives just a few miles north of there and his reports of going there were not as bad as you were probably hearing about from Tucker Carlson, but the folks that they could identify who were acting to keep the police out or hurt others should definitely be sitting in prison in my view.

I was and am in favor of using law enforcement to stop people from breaking the law, but not to quell people who are exercising their First Amendment rights. You should be too. You seem to be of the belief that anyone who inconveniences you while sharing a different viewpoint should be assaulted by the military. We will never agree on that, obviously.

As for my inferiority complex, maybe I do have one from time to time. I'm too close to be objective, so I'll take your word for it. But it'll take me quite a bit of time to catch up with yours, I'm sure!
You are high on your typical "cut-n-paste glue sniffing" and, as usual, you're trying to tell someone that's followed "Dick's Daughter's Career" from the on-set and KNOWS what a DC Establishment Shit-Bag she is...you...Captain Obvious, are trying to tell -me- what she's about...

And...you went Full Dave with your implied speech about "fealty" and what-not: to which I replied with a lot of words to tell you what an ass you are, hinted at what a "DC Swamp Rat" she is, what a hypocrite you are, called you out as "Dave II", etc. ...

Furthermore, about CHAZ...

You were "disappointed". Boo Hoo. Sending in the Guard would have saved lives and property; or, are you...typically...
NOT aware of the LOSS OF BOTH during that "Mayor of Seattle Summer of Love SHIT SHOW"?

Brother, you and the people like you in politics, OWN that one.
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Not big fan of Greenwald but he gets it right on this one. Substack has some good reporting on MSM. However, I would be leery of...
Not big fan of Greenwald but he gets it right on this one. Substack has some good reporting on MSM.
However, I would be leery of anyone that didn't find this footage disturbing.
Disturbing for sure. Not a good look for a bunch of enraged Trumpers and conspiracy theorists attempting to overthrowing a free and fair election.
Was that comparable to 9/11 or Pearl Harbor?
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