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The only thing Yamaha needs to do to the 450 is make it lose some weight, and even that isn’t a huge thing it feels way lighter when riding it than it does on the stand…

I’ve owned a 19 and now a 21 (both FX’s though)…I’m 6’1”…185 lbs….racing vet A in the desert…and have never felt cramped on stock bars, stock bar position and stock pegs…I did like the 19 forks better than the 21 forks though…
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David934 wrote:
Yamaha, please dont remove cable clutch. Mine working better then hydro.
MotoX85 wrote:
AMEN. Please lord baby Jesus do not go hydro.
I’ve always hated cable clutches. Please go hydro Smile zero maintenance and smoother
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Bnagazina 4/11/2022 9:05pm
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
I'd love to hear from the older guys that rode in the 70's and 80's. Did y'all bitch about new bikes this much this much in...
I'd love to hear from the older guys that rode in the 70's and 80's.

Did y'all bitch about new bikes this much this much in the 70's and 80's? Wanting weight reductions, better rider triangles, better this, better that, new this, new that or were you all happy with what you had and content with even having a bike to ride in the first place?

I hear my pops tell me all the time that we are spoilt/spoiled and complain too much with what we have today compared to what he grew up riding. I always heart that he was just happy his bikes held together long enough to get through a full year and that kids today have no idea how good they have it. I can't say I disagree.
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Well we were super excited to see the new bikes when they showed up on the dealer floor...no internet then ,so you had no idea till...
Well we were super excited to see the new bikes when they showed up on the dealer floor...no internet then ,so you had no idea till you saw one in person...It was common for there to be great technological leaps from year to year...all new from the ground up and then all new again the following year. When you saw that all new bike, you fell out of love with your old one pretty quick. You basically couldn't give away your one year old bike...lots of people just parked it up the back of the shed and bought the new one.I can't remember EVER getting close to half what I paid new for my one year old bike...and I really looked after them..
It wasn't all rosey....those old bikes really were pieces of shit that wore out very very fast.
New bikes today are incredible and resilient...most seem built to last..70's and 80's bikes certainly weren't...they got sloppy and saggy very quick due to cheap and shoddy engineering ,especially in areas like footpeg pivots, brake pedal pivots, useless drum brakes, kick starter pivots, poxy floppy clutch and front bake levers and brackets, wimpy spokes, flexy frames that stretched so much it caused stess on your engine cases that caused air leaks that could lead to engine seizure...
As far as machinery went at least...they really werent the good old days!
But yeah...dont remember anyone moaning about rider triangles , but certainly if a model was known to be significantly lighter it got your attention .
When I rode Hondas, it was mainly because the build quality was so much better, much tidier engineering and simplified fasteners instad of castle nuts, washes ,split pins and those awful phillips head screws...8mm hex heads were a real leap foward!
Some bikes were so irritating and time consuming to work on
So yeah..we had our gripes, but all new bikes nearly every year took your mind off the negatives
I disagree about your comment about complaining about rider triangles. MXA Jody often complained about the 70 and 80 bikes ergonomics. Hell he used it so much, he taught me the word and meaning. From Yamaha rhumb to not being able to slide up the tank to improve cornering, Jody was all over it.

Don’t know if I would love the guy or hate the guy if I met him today, but as a ten year old reading about MX, Jody and Golf digest taught me a lot. Super Hunky always made me bust a gut.
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PJRAUS 4/11/2022 9:59pm
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
I'd love to hear from the older guys that rode in the 70's and 80's. Did y'all bitch about new bikes this much this much in...
I'd love to hear from the older guys that rode in the 70's and 80's.

Did y'all bitch about new bikes this much this much in the 70's and 80's? Wanting weight reductions, better rider triangles, better this, better that, new this, new that or were you all happy with what you had and content with even having a bike to ride in the first place?

I hear my pops tell me all the time that we are spoilt/spoiled and complain too much with what we have today compared to what he grew up riding. I always heart that he was just happy his bikes held together long enough to get through a full year and that kids today have no idea how good they have it. I can't say I disagree.
PJRAUS wrote:
Well we were super excited to see the new bikes when they showed up on the dealer floor...no internet then ,so you had no idea till...
Well we were super excited to see the new bikes when they showed up on the dealer floor...no internet then ,so you had no idea till you saw one in person...It was common for there to be great technological leaps from year to year...all new from the ground up and then all new again the following year. When you saw that all new bike, you fell out of love with your old one pretty quick. You basically couldn't give away your one year old bike...lots of people just parked it up the back of the shed and bought the new one.I can't remember EVER getting close to half what I paid new for my one year old bike...and I really looked after them..
It wasn't all rosey....those old bikes really were pieces of shit that wore out very very fast.
New bikes today are incredible and resilient...most seem built to last..70's and 80's bikes certainly weren't...they got sloppy and saggy very quick due to cheap and shoddy engineering ,especially in areas like footpeg pivots, brake pedal pivots, useless drum brakes, kick starter pivots, poxy floppy clutch and front bake levers and brackets, wimpy spokes, flexy frames that stretched so much it caused stess on your engine cases that caused air leaks that could lead to engine seizure...
As far as machinery went at least...they really werent the good old days!
But yeah...dont remember anyone moaning about rider triangles , but certainly if a model was known to be significantly lighter it got your attention .
When I rode Hondas, it was mainly because the build quality was so much better, much tidier engineering and simplified fasteners instad of castle nuts, washes ,split pins and those awful phillips head screws...8mm hex heads were a real leap foward!
Some bikes were so irritating and time consuming to work on
So yeah..we had our gripes, but all new bikes nearly every year took your mind off the negatives
Bnagazina wrote:
I disagree about your comment about complaining about rider triangles. MXA Jody often complained about the 70 and 80 bikes ergonomics. Hell he used it so...
I disagree about your comment about complaining about rider triangles. MXA Jody often complained about the 70 and 80 bikes ergonomics. Hell he used it so much, he taught me the word and meaning. From Yamaha rhumb to not being able to slide up the tank to improve cornering, Jody was all over it.

Don’t know if I would love the guy or hate the guy if I met him today, but as a ten year old reading about MX, Jody and Golf digest taught me a lot. Super Hunky always made me bust a gut.
I met him at Glen Helen 22 years ago ,was parked next to him ,the rider I was travelling with was someone he knew well..I asked him a few questions about how they run things at tracks like glen helen..with so many bikes on the track and no flaggers, asked him about what happened with all the tracks closing because of lawsuits...etc...he wasnt really interested in talking to me, which didnt bother me...I was quite surprised by just how slow he was on the bike though..
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PJRAUS wrote:
Well we were super excited to see the new bikes when they showed up on the dealer floor...no internet then ,so you had no idea till...
Well we were super excited to see the new bikes when they showed up on the dealer floor...no internet then ,so you had no idea till you saw one in person...It was common for there to be great technological leaps from year to year...all new from the ground up and then all new again the following year. When you saw that all new bike, you fell out of love with your old one pretty quick. You basically couldn't give away your one year old bike...lots of people just parked it up the back of the shed and bought the new one.I can't remember EVER getting close to half what I paid new for my one year old bike...and I really looked after them..
It wasn't all rosey....those old bikes really were pieces of shit that wore out very very fast.
New bikes today are incredible and resilient...most seem built to last..70's and 80's bikes certainly weren't...they got sloppy and saggy very quick due to cheap and shoddy engineering ,especially in areas like footpeg pivots, brake pedal pivots, useless drum brakes, kick starter pivots, poxy floppy clutch and front bake levers and brackets, wimpy spokes, flexy frames that stretched so much it caused stess on your engine cases that caused air leaks that could lead to engine seizure...
As far as machinery went at least...they really werent the good old days!
But yeah...dont remember anyone moaning about rider triangles , but certainly if a model was known to be significantly lighter it got your attention .
When I rode Hondas, it was mainly because the build quality was so much better, much tidier engineering and simplified fasteners instad of castle nuts, washes ,split pins and those awful phillips head screws...8mm hex heads were a real leap foward!
Some bikes were so irritating and time consuming to work on
So yeah..we had our gripes, but all new bikes nearly every year took your mind off the negatives
Bnagazina wrote:
I disagree about your comment about complaining about rider triangles. MXA Jody often complained about the 70 and 80 bikes ergonomics. Hell he used it so...
I disagree about your comment about complaining about rider triangles. MXA Jody often complained about the 70 and 80 bikes ergonomics. Hell he used it so much, he taught me the word and meaning. From Yamaha rhumb to not being able to slide up the tank to improve cornering, Jody was all over it.

Don’t know if I would love the guy or hate the guy if I met him today, but as a ten year old reading about MX, Jody and Golf digest taught me a lot. Super Hunky always made me bust a gut.
PJRAUS wrote:
I met him at Glen Helen 22 years ago ,was parked next to him ,the rider I was travelling with was someone he knew well..I asked...
I met him at Glen Helen 22 years ago ,was parked next to him ,the rider I was travelling with was someone he knew well..I asked him a few questions about how they run things at tracks like glen helen..with so many bikes on the track and no flaggers, asked him about what happened with all the tracks closing because of lawsuits...etc...he wasnt really interested in talking to me, which didnt bother me...I was quite surprised by just how slow he was on the bike though..
Stupid topics and the guy is an older vet. I woulda have ignored you as well.
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AH387 4/12/2022 5:11am
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BryceO766 wrote:
A friend who works at a high profile Yamaha dealership told me the techs and engineers are saying they are ditching the reverse motor next year...
A friend who works at a high profile Yamaha dealership told me the techs and engineers are saying they are ditching the reverse motor next year. I am very excited for that!
I highly doubt that. I know MXA would be happy but the rest of us wouldn't.
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Brianmc 4/22/2022 9:09am
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Here is all I could see from the Japanese Nationals. Looks like hydraulic clutch for sure. There are a few YZs that come by in this watch a few from here and maybe you can pick out something.

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Brianmc wrote:
Here is all I could see from the Japanese Nationals. Looks like hydraulic clutch for sure. There are a few YZs that come by in this...
Here is all I could see from the Japanese Nationals. Looks like hydraulic clutch for sure. There are a few YZs that come by in this watch a few from here and maybe you can pick out something.

Yamaha USA was running Hydro clutches, Europe is running Hydro clutches, but Star is not. I see no reason to change this as the pull on the Yamaha is really good. One would expect them to focus more on things like frame, engine, or more along the lines of overall weight.
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Zycki11 wrote:
Yamaha USA was running Hydro clutches, Europe is running Hydro clutches, but Star is not. I see no reason to change this as the pull on...
Yamaha USA was running Hydro clutches, Europe is running Hydro clutches, but Star is not. I see no reason to change this as the pull on the Yamaha is really good. One would expect them to focus more on things like frame, engine, or more along the lines of overall weight.
What consumers expect and manufacturers do rarely align.
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Dirty Points 5/17/2022 11:37am
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Brianmc wrote:
Here is all I could see from the Japanese Nationals. Looks like hydraulic clutch for sure. There are a few YZs that come by in this...
Here is all I could see from the Japanese Nationals. Looks like hydraulic clutch for sure. There are a few YZs that come by in this watch a few from here and maybe you can pick out something.

Zycki11 wrote:
Yamaha USA was running Hydro clutches, Europe is running Hydro clutches, but Star is not. I see no reason to change this as the pull on...
Yamaha USA was running Hydro clutches, Europe is running Hydro clutches, but Star is not. I see no reason to change this as the pull on the Yamaha is really good. One would expect them to focus more on things like frame, engine, or more along the lines of overall weight.
What if they continued to make the same kick-ass bike but fixed the obviously simple stupid shit like the gravity-challenged air filter, the slightly wider-than-average midsection, and the high footpeg placement.
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Zycki11 5/17/2022 11:37am
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Zycki11 wrote:
Yamaha USA was running Hydro clutches, Europe is running Hydro clutches, but Star is not. I see no reason to change this as the pull on...
Yamaha USA was running Hydro clutches, Europe is running Hydro clutches, but Star is not. I see no reason to change this as the pull on the Yamaha is really good. One would expect them to focus more on things like frame, engine, or more along the lines of overall weight.
soggy wrote:
What consumers expect and manufacturers do rarely align.
Gee it almost sounds political haha
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AH387 5/17/2022 2:07pm
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Dirty Points wrote:
What if they continued to make the same kick-ass bike but fixed the obviously simple stupid shit like the gravity-challenged air filter, the slightly wider-than-average midsection...
What if they continued to make the same kick-ass bike but fixed the obviously simple stupid shit like the gravity-challenged air filter, the slightly wider-than-average midsection, and the high footpeg placement.
I agree, that's all they need, really. The filter section should just go back to how the 14-17. Obviously they will come with the backfire screen stock (which people can "upgrade" to a screenless if need be) but use a domed/caged filter instead of the flat filter. Fix the ergos with a flatter side and more streamlined midsection/shroud and address the rider triangle. Obviously dropping some weight would be nice too. But the engine, handling and suspension is so good, I would rather them focus on the little details listed and do minor tweaks to the chassis/motor/suspension, as it seems to all be pretty top notch, in most people's opinion. I would be fine with a cable clutch and maybe do a diaphram similar to the Torque-Drive. That night be asking too much but just thinking that would be cool. Also, offer the Monster version kitted already with GYTR head, while I'm making a wish list lol (for 250)
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Zycki11 5/17/2022 2:53pm
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Dirty Points wrote:
What if they continued to make the same kick-ass bike but fixed the obviously simple stupid shit like the gravity-challenged air filter, the slightly wider-than-average midsection...
What if they continued to make the same kick-ass bike but fixed the obviously simple stupid shit like the gravity-challenged air filter, the slightly wider-than-average midsection, and the high footpeg placement.
AH387 wrote:
I agree, that's all they need, really. The filter section should just go back to how the 14-17. Obviously they will come with the backfire screen...
I agree, that's all they need, really. The filter section should just go back to how the 14-17. Obviously they will come with the backfire screen stock (which people can "upgrade" to a screenless if need be) but use a domed/caged filter instead of the flat filter. Fix the ergos with a flatter side and more streamlined midsection/shroud and address the rider triangle. Obviously dropping some weight would be nice too. But the engine, handling and suspension is so good, I would rather them focus on the little details listed and do minor tweaks to the chassis/motor/suspension, as it seems to all be pretty top notch, in most people's opinion. I would be fine with a cable clutch and maybe do a diaphram similar to the Torque-Drive. That night be asking too much but just thinking that would be cool. Also, offer the Monster version kitted already with GYTR head, while I'm making a wish list lol (for 250)
I see what your saying about the GYTR head but damn. Having a full replacement that is practically bolt on with the ECU is awesome.
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AH387 5/17/2022 9:00pm
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Zycki11 wrote:
I see what your saying about the GYTR head but damn. Having a full replacement that is practically bolt on with the ECU is awesome.
I just think with the other brands offering some sort of Factory Edition, that would be cool for the YZFs. That way the team-replica has something extra aside from just the plastic/graphics. It could just be the complete head and stock ecu, so the app can still be used. Just an idea. I know id pay extra for that. Ive purchased a gytr head in the past and may still do it to my current bike. But not trying to get off topic, just something I thought of.

But as for the new-gen coming, it'll be interesting to see if its a big overhaul or just small tweaks to the ergos, weight etc.
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I DONT EVEN CARE TO READ THIS JUNK ANYMORE. Clearly Yamaha is the most liked machine because they get so much hate and love on this damn forum. And all the people that think the weight is sooooo important need to stfu and ride the damn thing. The thing is planted to the ground and you cant tell how heavy it is unless you ride another brand. Just stfu and ride and stop acting like you are a pro needed all this crazy weight loss and shit. They are amazing and I hope they continue to get better without sacrificing the good shit. Blu Cru for life (cant wait to see some of yall get pissed at this)
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Dusty212x wrote:
I DONT EVEN CARE TO READ THIS JUNK ANYMORE. Clearly Yamaha is the most liked machine because they get so much hate and love on this...
I DONT EVEN CARE TO READ THIS JUNK ANYMORE. Clearly Yamaha is the most liked machine because they get so much hate and love on this damn forum. And all the people that think the weight is sooooo important need to stfu and ride the damn thing. The thing is planted to the ground and you cant tell how heavy it is unless you ride another brand. Just stfu and ride and stop acting like you are a pro needed all this crazy weight loss and shit. They are amazing and I hope they continue to get better without sacrificing the good shit. Blu Cru for life (cant wait to see some of yall get pissed at this)
I’m just mad you spelled bLU cRU wrong.
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Richy 6/14/2022 9:43am
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Well that looks interesting. New Yam can only be a good thing, hope they don't change either 250 tooooo much though haha.

Also Dusty212 chill dude, not pissed, however that is the most emotional I've seen someone get on here over a brand in a while haha 😂
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Electric or new 450 u think???
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JoshyPoo312 6/14/2022 9:44am
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Another day of being bLU balled... Can't wait for the release!
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Zycki11 6/14/2022 10:05am
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Tits jacked, Yamaha doesn’t do the surprise reveal often.
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Nice. I'm kind of excited. I was hoping at least for a silhouette shot but I guess we will just have to wait a bit longer.
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Hope they don’t pull a KTM and change it so much since they are having a lot of success at the moment on the current platform.
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lostboy819 6/14/2022 4:23pm
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Can't see them doing huge changes with all the success lately
That's not how it works.
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Donkey Kong 6/14/2022 4:28pm
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Lloydcarter wrote:
Hope they don’t pull a KTM and change it so much since they are having a lot of success at the moment on the current platform.
A 2016 KTM and a 2023 KTM look almost the same because in many ways they are. Very similar designs with essentially tuning tweaks. Frame stiffness/chassis tuning, engine refinements, suspension improvements etc. Not sure were you're coming from.
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Zycki11 6/14/2022 5:12pm
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Lloydcarter wrote:
Hope they don’t pull a KTM and change it so much since they are having a lot of success at the moment on the current platform.
Donkey Kong wrote:
A 2016 KTM and a 2023 KTM look almost the same because in many ways they are. Very similar designs with essentially tuning tweaks. Frame stiffness/chassis...
A 2016 KTM and a 2023 KTM look almost the same because in many ways they are. Very similar designs with essentially tuning tweaks. Frame stiffness/chassis tuning, engine refinements, suspension improvements etc. Not sure were you're coming from.
Almost the same? When you change the frame alone it’s a big change.
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Donkey Kong 6/14/2022 6:02pm
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Almost the same? When you change the frame alone it’s a big change.
It's the same basic design with different specs. The frame stiffness is different but the design isn't much different, which is what I said. Brands like Honda have changed much more in comparison.
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Companies only do big changes when they are behind the advances of other manufactures. The cost of tooling and redesign would have bikes cost 20k every year for new models. Some times small changes are huge in the performance department and come at less of a cost for manufactures.
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