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The "Catholic province" (Western Ukraine as part of five regions) is unlikely to become part of the pro-Russian territories. The line of alienation, however, will be found empirically. It will remain hostile to Russia, but forcibly neutral and demilitarized Ukraine with formally banned Nazism. The haters of Russia will go there. The guarantee of the preservation of this residual Ukraine in a neutral state should be the threat of an immediate continuation of the military operation in case of non-compliance with the listed requirements. Perhaps this will require a permanent Russian military presence on its territory.From the exclusion line to the Russian border there will be a territory of potential integration into Russian civilization, which is anti-fascist in its internal nature.

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The operation to denazify Ukraine, which began with a military phase, will follow the same logic of stages in peacetime as a military operation. At each of them, it will be necessary to achieve irreversible changes, which will become the results of the corresponding stage. In this case, the necessary initial steps of denazification can be defined as follows:
—liquidation of armed Nazi formations (which means any armed formations of Ukraine, including the Armed Forces of Ukraine), as well as the military, information, and educational infrastructure that ensures their activity;

—the formation of bodies of people's self-government and the police (defense and law enforcement) of the liberated territories, protecting the population from the terror of underground Nazi groups;
—installation of the Russian information space;
—withdrawal of educational materials and prohibition of educational programs at all levels containing Nazi ideological guidelines;
— mass investigative actions to establish personal responsibility for war crimes, crimes against humanity, the spread of Nazi ideology and support for the Nazi regime;
- lustration, publication of the names of accomplices of the Nazi regime, involving them in forced labor to restore the destroyed infrastructure as punishment for Nazi activities (from among those who will not be subject to the death penalty or imprisonment);
—adoption at the local level, under the supervision of Russia, of primary normative acts of denazification "from below", a ban on all types and forms of the revival of Nazi ideology;
- Establishment of memorials, commemorative signs, monuments to the victims of Ukrainian Nazism, perpetuating the memory of the heroes of the struggle against it;
— the inclusion of a complex of anti-fascist and denazification norms in the constitutions of the new people's republics;
—creation of permanent denazification bodies for a period of 25 years.
Russia will have no allies in the denazification of Ukraine. Since this is a purely Russian business. And also because not just the Bandera version of Nazi Ukraine will be eradicated, but including, and above all, Western totalitarianism, the imposed programs of civilizational degradation and disintegration, the mechanisms of subjugation to the superpower of the West and the United States.
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In order to put the plan of denazification of Ukraine into practice, Russia itself will have to finally part with pro-European and pro-Western illusions, realize itself as the last instance of protecting and preserving those values ​​of historical Europe (the Old World) that deserve it and which the West ultimately abandoned, losing the fight for himself. This struggle continued throughout the 20th century and was expressed in the world war and the Russian revolution, inextricably linked with each other.
Russia did everything possible to save the West in the 20th century. She implemented the main Western project, an alternative to capitalism, which won the nation-states - a socialist, red project. It crushed German Nazism, a monstrous product of the crisis of Western civilization. The last act of Russian altruism was the outstretched hand of friendship from Russia, for which Russia received a monstrous blow in the 1990s.
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Everything that Russia has done for the West, it has done at its own expense, by making the greatest sacrifices. The West ultimately rejected all these sacrifices, devalued Russia's contribution to resolving the Western crisis, and decided to take revenge on Russia for the help that it unselfishly provided. Further, Russia will go its own way, not worrying about the fate of the West, relying on another part of its heritage - leadership in the global process of decolonization.
As part of this process, Russia has a high potential for partnerships and allies with countries that the West has oppressed for centuries and which are not going to put on its yoke again. Without Russian sacrifice and struggle, these countries would not have been liberated. The denazification of Ukraine is at the same time its decolonization, which the population of Ukraine will have to understand as it begins to free itself from the intoxication, temptation and dependence of the so-called European choice.

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kongols wrote:
Everything that Russia has done for the West, it has done at its own expense, by making the greatest sacrifices. The West ultimately rejected all these...
Everything that Russia has done for the West, it has done at its own expense, by making the greatest sacrifices. The West ultimately rejected all these sacrifices, devalued Russia's contribution to resolving the Western crisis, and decided to take revenge on Russia for the help that it unselfishly provided. Further, Russia will go its own way, not worrying about the fate of the West, relying on another part of its heritage - leadership in the global process of decolonization.
As part of this process, Russia has a high potential for partnerships and allies with countries that the West has oppressed for centuries and which are not going to put on its yoke again. Without Russian sacrifice and struggle, these countries would not have been liberated. The denazification of Ukraine is at the same time its decolonization, which the population of Ukraine will have to understand as it begins to free itself from the intoxication, temptation and dependence of the so-called European choice.
I just finished reading all those posts, there are some very delusional people in Russia. I’m thinking that Russia is still living in the 1950’s?
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4/4/2022 7:26am Edited Date/Time 4/4/2022 7:27am
kongols wrote:
Everything that Russia has done for the West, it has done at its own expense, by making the greatest sacrifices. The West ultimately rejected all these...
Everything that Russia has done for the West, it has done at its own expense, by making the greatest sacrifices. The West ultimately rejected all these sacrifices, devalued Russia's contribution to resolving the Western crisis, and decided to take revenge on Russia for the help that it unselfishly provided. Further, Russia will go its own way, not worrying about the fate of the West, relying on another part of its heritage - leadership in the global process of decolonization.
As part of this process, Russia has a high potential for partnerships and allies with countries that the West has oppressed for centuries and which are not going to put on its yoke again. Without Russian sacrifice and struggle, these countries would not have been liberated. The denazification of Ukraine is at the same time its decolonization, which the population of Ukraine will have to understand as it begins to free itself from the intoxication, temptation and dependence of the so-called European choice.
jjavaman wrote:
I just finished reading all those posts, there are some very delusional people in Russia. I’m thinking that Russia is still living in the 1950’s?
What Russia is saying is that they're going to have to remove the Jewish Nazi leadership in Ukraine

Jewish
Nazi

Only in Russia can you get away with the fact that they're calling Jews...Nazis.

Oh, wait! They don't mention that. Strange, isn't it?

From MSNBC...

"For those inclined to see history as depressingly cyclical, the war in Ukraine offers fairly strong evidence. It all feels lifted from a familiar script in which only the actors have been switched—at anti-Russian protests, a popular placard even has the 20th century’s most evil mustache Photoshopped onto Putin’s face. But there is one protagonist who is an unusual fit for his role: Volodymyr Zelensky.

The 44-year-old former comedian turned president has exhibited great patriotism and bravery, joining his fate with that of his countrymen on the streets of Kyiv, refusing to leave despite Western offers of an airlift. If he is now, as he put it, “the No. 1 target” for the Russians, it is because he is the No. 1 Ukrainian. And what is remarkable, truly mind-blowing in the long sweep of history, is that his Jewishness has not stood in the way of his being embraced as a symbol of the nation.

In the Soviet world that shaped Zelensky and his parents, Jews were perceived as the eternal outsiders, possible fifth columnists, the “rootless cosmopolitans” of Stalin’s imagination. This of course came on top of living in a place where a particularly virulent strain of anti-Semitism had always existed, a legacy of pogroms and Nazi collaboration. Just outside embattled Kyiv is Babi Yar, where 33,771 Jews were shot and thrown into a ravine over the course of two days in 1941. If Zelensky has now become synonymous with the blue-and-yellow flag of his country, it might signal an unexpected outcome of this conflict that has found Jews feeling finally, improbably, one with a land that has perpetually tried to spit them out."
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You have to admit the amazing courage of Russian media - @rianru camera operator is walking right in front of a sapper looking for dangerous mines...
What's this? A faked mine sweeping video?

Say it ain't so.
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You have to admit the amazing courage of Russian media - @rianru camera operator is walking right in front of a sapper looking for dangerous mines...
Very smart people Smile
Today I watched Russian news and they talk about fake news coming from Ukraine reports…. propaganda Sad
Zelensky sent message to soldiers mother who made this massacre: ''How is it possible to educate and raise bastards like that ?!! ''
R.I.P TO THE CIVILIAN VICTIMS Sad

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kongols wrote:
Everything that Russia has done for the West, it has done at its own expense, by making the greatest sacrifices. The West ultimately rejected all these...
Everything that Russia has done for the West, it has done at its own expense, by making the greatest sacrifices. The West ultimately rejected all these sacrifices, devalued Russia's contribution to resolving the Western crisis, and decided to take revenge on Russia for the help that it unselfishly provided. Further, Russia will go its own way, not worrying about the fate of the West, relying on another part of its heritage - leadership in the global process of decolonization.
As part of this process, Russia has a high potential for partnerships and allies with countries that the West has oppressed for centuries and which are not going to put on its yoke again. Without Russian sacrifice and struggle, these countries would not have been liberated. The denazification of Ukraine is at the same time its decolonization, which the population of Ukraine will have to understand as it begins to free itself from the intoxication, temptation and dependence of the so-called European choice.
jjavaman wrote:
I just finished reading all those posts, there are some very delusional people in Russia. I’m thinking that Russia is still living in the 1950’s?
You're not far off. You've probably heard of the protests against the Putin regime and subsequent arrests, but sadly those notions are not typical. Russia is a mostly poor country and the typical Russian isn't resistant to the Kremlin's messaging. Protesting is a literal luxury that the average Russian cannot afford.

About the only thing that will spur suspicion or resistance from the lowest class of Russians is young men coming home in boxes. It sounds like a lot of them never make it home in any capacity. I'd be really curious to see what kind of correspondence the mothers and wives of those unaccounted-for Russian soldiers are getting when Ivan's letters and texts stop coming.
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I think the lose of life (on both sides) is heartbreaking to see. In this day and age surely mankind is past this crap. Big question...
I think the lose of life (on both sides) is heartbreaking to see. In this day and age surely mankind is past this crap. Big question is why? Are we not past this kind of thing happening in the 21st Century? What does Putin think he is going to gain from this? Is whose eyes is it ok for a nation to decide to invade and start a war?

I would have hoped no other nation would join with Russia, shame on Belarus.

When all this crap is over I hope somebody holds Putin accountable, I hope the footage of the destruction, taking of life is used to get him.

I think a lot of troubles are caused because we cannot believe something will happen. "In this day and age" is a great consolation that we, as societies, like to tell ourselves. "Such a thing couldn't happen NOW, could it?" "Nobody can invade another country these days." "It won't happen here."

All the above are false assurances we tell ourselves. Of course, it CAN happen in this day and age, just like it has for millennia - any time a despot decides to gain more power, land, money, or influence. We let our collective guard down because we live in a relative time of freedom, peace, or prosperity. As soon as the conditions are ripe for trouble, you can bet human nature will show us, once again, that war can begin.
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shuggs wrote:
I think the lose of life (on both sides) is heartbreaking to see. In this day and age surely mankind is past this crap. Big question...
I think the lose of life (on both sides) is heartbreaking to see. In this day and age surely mankind is past this crap. Big question is why? Are we not past this kind of thing happening in the 21st Century? What does Putin think he is going to gain from this? Is whose eyes is it ok for a nation to decide to invade and start a war?

I would have hoped no other nation would join with Russia, shame on Belarus.

When all this crap is over I hope somebody holds Putin accountable, I hope the footage of the destruction, taking of life is used to get him.

Falcon wrote:
I think a lot of troubles are caused because we cannot believe something will happen. "In this day and age" is a great consolation that we...
I think a lot of troubles are caused because we cannot believe something will happen. "In this day and age" is a great consolation that we, as societies, like to tell ourselves. "Such a thing couldn't happen NOW, could it?" "Nobody can invade another country these days." "It won't happen here."

All the above are false assurances we tell ourselves. Of course, it CAN happen in this day and age, just like it has for millennia - any time a despot decides to gain more power, land, money, or influence. We let our collective guard down because we live in a relative time of freedom, peace, or prosperity. As soon as the conditions are ripe for trouble, you can bet human nature will show us, once again, that war can begin.
Let's re-establish the simplest fact, too:

Russia INVADED Ukraine.

Period.
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4/4/2022 10:55am Edited Date/Time 4/4/2022 10:56am
That’s true. There have been believable/confirmed reports that Russians have mined and booby trapped vacated areas with illegal AP mines. Those mines and traps have been...
That’s true. There have been believable/confirmed reports that Russians have mined and booby trapped vacated areas with illegal AP mines. Those mines and traps have been buried or well conceal so the unwitting victim doesn’t know there’s a mine until it kills them because that’s kind of the point of a mine.

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The point of a minefield is to delay people/machinery from getting from one side to the other of it, usually by causing them to stop. Only...
The point of a minefield is to delay people/machinery from getting from one side to the other of it, usually by causing them to stop. Only a portion of the enemy might be killed but that’s enough to stop the others. Just the appearance that mines may be in an area can be a deterrent in and of itself.

If it is possible to conceal them, then that may be chosen. But in the case of a roadway that wouldn’t really be possible so strewing them across the road might be a valid tactic. They may have believed that it would take a little bit of time for the Ukrainians hoping to travel there realized that they wouldn’t explode unless a heavy weight armed them first.

It may not have been the ‘ideal’ placement, but sometimes conditions don’t allow for ‘ideal’. This isn’t a movie.
Your premises don’t even support your argument. It’s not a movie and ideal placement isn’t always possible, but they perfectly patterned these mines on this highway?

I'm not sure that I'd call them 'perfectly patterned', but it wouldn't be surprising to see them in a diamond pattern since they are likely aimed at much larger vehicles than simply passenger cars.

The likelihood of a Russian soldier placing them in that manner because they thought would be the hardest for a personnel carrier or tank to cross would be fairly high.
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4/4/2022 11:43am Edited Date/Time 4/4/2022 1:02pm
I posted two of my Nostradamus posts yesterday, but decided to delete them.
Anyway, there was one factual information. Russia pulled remains of 5th army from far east. They`ll arrive in Ukraine in a week. Far east is absolutelly naked. If Japan is thinking about taking their islands back, now is a perfect time. There is no one left to defend.
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I posted two of my Nostradamus posts yesterday, but decided to delete them. Anyway, there was one factual information. Russia pulled remains of 5th army from...
I posted two of my Nostradamus posts yesterday, but decided to delete them.
Anyway, there was one factual information. Russia pulled remains of 5th army from far east. They`ll arrive in Ukraine in a week. Far east is absolutelly naked. If Japan is thinking about taking their islands back, now is a perfect time. There is no one left to defend.
I am wondering about this scenario as well. Not so much from the viewpoint of Japan, but really any nation who is ready to make an incursion. What if Finland wants some prime Russian territory? What if China wanted to double its size? Hmmmm.
The spectre hiding in the back of the room is wayward nuclear weapons, of course. I don't believe any nation will attack Russia, regardless of their conventional readiness.
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shuggs wrote:
I think the lose of life (on both sides) is heartbreaking to see. In this day and age surely mankind is past this crap. Big question...
I think the lose of life (on both sides) is heartbreaking to see. In this day and age surely mankind is past this crap. Big question is why? Are we not past this kind of thing happening in the 21st Century? What does Putin think he is going to gain from this? Is whose eyes is it ok for a nation to decide to invade and start a war?

I would have hoped no other nation would join with Russia, shame on Belarus.

When all this crap is over I hope somebody holds Putin accountable, I hope the footage of the destruction, taking of life is used to get him.

Falcon wrote:
I think a lot of troubles are caused because we cannot believe something will happen. "In this day and age" is a great consolation that we...
I think a lot of troubles are caused because we cannot believe something will happen. "In this day and age" is a great consolation that we, as societies, like to tell ourselves. "Such a thing couldn't happen NOW, could it?" "Nobody can invade another country these days." "It won't happen here."

All the above are false assurances we tell ourselves. Of course, it CAN happen in this day and age, just like it has for millennia - any time a despot decides to gain more power, land, money, or influence. We let our collective guard down because we live in a relative time of freedom, peace, or prosperity. As soon as the conditions are ripe for trouble, you can bet human nature will show us, once again, that war can begin.
TeamGreen wrote:
Let's re-establish the simplest fact, too:

Russia INVADED Ukraine.

Period.
Yes, Russia is at fault for this war, regardless of Ukraine's relative innocence or guilt.
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What Russia is saying is that they're going to have to remove the Jewish Nazi leadership in Ukraine Jewish Nazi Only in Russia can you get...
What Russia is saying is that they're going to have to remove the Jewish Nazi leadership in Ukraine

Jewish
Nazi

Only in Russia can you get away with the fact that they're calling Jews...Nazis.

Oh, wait! They don't mention that. Strange, isn't it?

From MSNBC...

"For those inclined to see history as depressingly cyclical, the war in Ukraine offers fairly strong evidence. It all feels lifted from a familiar script in which only the actors have been switched—at anti-Russian protests, a popular placard even has the 20th century’s most evil mustache Photoshopped onto Putin’s face. But there is one protagonist who is an unusual fit for his role: Volodymyr Zelensky.

The 44-year-old former comedian turned president has exhibited great patriotism and bravery, joining his fate with that of his countrymen on the streets of Kyiv, refusing to leave despite Western offers of an airlift. If he is now, as he put it, “the No. 1 target” for the Russians, it is because he is the No. 1 Ukrainian. And what is remarkable, truly mind-blowing in the long sweep of history, is that his Jewishness has not stood in the way of his being embraced as a symbol of the nation.

In the Soviet world that shaped Zelensky and his parents, Jews were perceived as the eternal outsiders, possible fifth columnists, the “rootless cosmopolitans” of Stalin’s imagination. This of course came on top of living in a place where a particularly virulent strain of anti-Semitism had always existed, a legacy of pogroms and Nazi collaboration. Just outside embattled Kyiv is Babi Yar, where 33,771 Jews were shot and thrown into a ravine over the course of two days in 1941. If Zelensky has now become synonymous with the blue-and-yellow flag of his country, it might signal an unexpected outcome of this conflict that has found Jews feeling finally, improbably, one with a land that has perpetually tried to spit them out."
Why do you think that Jew cannot be Nazi?
Soros was one during WW2 - that is pretty public information.

I believe we have been indoctrinated from childhood that "jews good and always victim" and " anyone that brings up jews in any negative way is a Nazi".
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Man I`m really confused about this Soros guy. Did he attack Ukraine or did he attack Russia cause he is a nazi or why are you posting about him here?

Why don`t you leave this topic and start a new topic about Soros any other Putins "information" you believe in.
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4/5/2022 6:18am Edited Date/Time 4/5/2022 6:41am
With a ukrainian developed anti-tank system Stugna. They did the same to a ship in Azov sea.


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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/05/often-a-russian-mother-ha…





Volodymyr Zolkin, 40, an amateur video blogger before the war, has become a YouTube hit in Ukraine and elsewhere for his 50-plus interviews with captured soldiers and pilots, which he says are an attempt to cut through the censorship to inform Russian families about the fate of relatives.

“You [only] have to believe the facts,” Zolkin told the Guardian in an interview via Skype from an undisclosed location. “Russia does not give or show anything. We immediately created an honest YouTube channel. We show everything here – photos, videos, all data. We show real people calling their parents. You don’t need to trust anyone, believe the facts.”
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For those interested, Zelensky is currently addressing the UN security council. He gave an interview with Brett Baier the other day also, said war was going on for 8 years, .worth a listen.

Meanwhile right now he is calling out Syria, Somalia, Afghanistan , Libya, Yemen, He has balls that is for sure. pretty much calling out the UN and calling for a new system or reform of system. Interesting guy, Seems to excel at a crash course in international relations.
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