Re-entering the track

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I know it was a long time ago, but I really miss the “re-enter the track at the point you left it” rule. Watching guys leave the track, skip an entire section, and then rejoin the race is just wrong. It’s absolutely gaining an advantage if you skip an entire whoop section, even if you don’t gain track positions. Cutting the track shouldn’t be an option.

What do you think?
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RaceFace58 3/13/2022 12:14pm
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I think that was too strict back then. Maybe that’s fair if you go off the track all by yourself? If you’re pushed off while racing it would suck if you had to go back to re-enter. Guys would purposely push people off as a strategy. I do think the idea of not gaining positions isn’t enough either. I think if you accelerate at all and make no effort to slow it should be penalized.
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lostboy819 3/13/2022 12:36pm
3/13/2022 12:36pm
That being said Mookie backed way off and did the right thing when he went off the track and entered again when it was safe and made sure he didn't gain a position and was watching out for the riders he was dicing with. Good job Malcolm. Smile
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plowboy 3/13/2022 12:43pm
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Re-enter where you left works pretty well at most MX tracks but there just isn't room on an SX track for that to be done safely. Imo.
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Falcon 3/13/2022 12:45pm
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How about "come to a full stop" and then re-enter where it is safe?
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Sunnyside 3/13/2022 12:45pm
3/13/2022 12:45pm Edited Date/Time 3/13/2022 12:47pm
Probaby to complicated to enforce, but I'd like to see guys have to roll the finish line if they go around more than one toughblock off the track. It would basically be like a 1-2 second penalty in addition to the current don't gain an advantage mentality.
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chump6784 3/13/2022 1:23pm
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In no other form of motor sport do the competitors have to rejoin the track where they left. It is always rejoin at the next safest place without gaining an advantage.
Do you really want a guy who has left the track to stop, turn around, ride against the flow of traffic and then rejoin the race? That's just sketchy. Not to mention, one little off track excursion and your race is basically over
What Mookie did was perfect, he even dropped an extra position while off the track. Made a small mistake, redressed the situation and kept racing, the rule books have it right
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8k4x6f 3/13/2022 1:32pm
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Stewart fan but he hit the massive whoop section one less time than the others on the lead lap... no gain at the time of re entry but less risk and wear...
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SEE ARE125 3/13/2022 1:33pm
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I agree with the “re-enter where you left” idea, but like others have mentioned I don’t think it works too well on SX tracks where there’s hardly any room between lanes. Malcolm crashed in front of Barcia, got up, waited for Barcia to pass and then rejoined. He then proceeded to make an epic, almost immediate pass right back on Barcia. That was a great pass to watch.
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RaceFace58 3/13/2022 1:40pm
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chump6784 wrote:
In no other form of motor sport do the competitors have to rejoin the track where they left. It is always rejoin at the next safest...
In no other form of motor sport do the competitors have to rejoin the track where they left. It is always rejoin at the next safest place without gaining an advantage.
Do you really want a guy who has left the track to stop, turn around, ride against the flow of traffic and then rejoin the race? That's just sketchy. Not to mention, one little off track excursion and your race is basically over
What Mookie did was perfect, he even dropped an extra position while off the track. Made a small mistake, redressed the situation and kept racing, the rule books have it right
I’m trying to think of another Motorsport where leaving the track doesn’t usually mean your race just ended. Unless skidding across the grass in a NASCAR infield. Still when you do that you’ve usually lost 10 or 15 positions plus other issues like dirt in your wheels etc. I can’t think of any other form where you leave the track and could physically gain track position even if you tried. Not in MotoGP for sure. Can’t count off-road as you’re allowed latitude from the main “track” unless you actually cut the course. What other Motorsport are you thinking of?
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aeffertz 3/13/2022 1:41pm
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Re-entering the track where you left doesn’t make sense and would cause a lot of riding in the wrong direction just to re-enter where you left.

A mistake was made and he entered the track safely without gaining a position or time on the person in front of him. He didn’t skip the whoops on purpose.
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TrailMaker 3/13/2022 2:34pm
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Gravel wrote:
I know it was a long time ago, but I really miss the “re-enter the track at the point you left it” rule. Watching guys leave...
I know it was a long time ago, but I really miss the “re-enter the track at the point you left it” rule. Watching guys leave the track, skip an entire section, and then rejoin the race is just wrong. It’s absolutely gaining an advantage if you skip an entire whoop section, even if you don’t gain track positions. Cutting the track shouldn’t be an option.

What do you think?
Elbow a guy off the track and win the title. Think about it. Sometimes it takes very little to push a guy off the track. If he has to go back to the point he was nudged off the track, he will lose 10-15 seconds at least. In a title chase...that could be the title. It would end up being misused, create all sort of unintended consequences. Also, as has been noted it is sometimes literally not possible on a modern SX track
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TDeath21 3/13/2022 3:12pm
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Definitely shouldn’t be legal to pin it along side the track and not lose any time. A stop and go method would probably work. Or something where you’re penalized X amount for each spot you pass up that you could have re-entered. Dudes skip entire sections when they could have are-entered in the middle of it.
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Gravel 3/13/2022 4:10pm
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What’s bugging me currently is that riders are skipping rhythm and whoop sections and just tracking their position, taking a break and cruising along for a bit, then re-entering without losing track positions. That IS gaining an advantage over guys who are racing through the obstacles on the track. Hell, I could keep up with Eli in the whoops if I could just go around them, lol!

Seems like there should be some kind of a penalty for leaving the track, and there should be a similar penalty for knocking someone off the track.

I like the stop at the point of re-entry idea
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Zoom 3/13/2022 4:46pm
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Its pretty simple but its not "if you gain a position", its "if you gain an advantage."

Example, if a rider goes off the track 3 seconds behind a rider and then re enters 2 seconds behind that rider they gained an advantage and would penalized.

Example, if a riders goes off the track 3 seconds behind a rider and then re enters 3 seconds behind that rider they did NOT gain an advantage and would NOT be penalized.

In my second Supercross I raced in during the 80's, I was in a qualifying position in my semi to go to the LCQ. Back then you had to qualify for the LCQ. I hit a berm that exploded and went off the track for about 10-15 feet. Clearly did not gain an advantage, actually lost an advantage. I was about to line up for the LCQ when one of my buddies told me I had be penalized for not re entering where I came off.

Wish the current rule would have be in place back then and glad to see they changed it years ago.
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chump6784 3/13/2022 6:22pm
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chump6784 wrote:
In no other form of motor sport do the competitors have to rejoin the track where they left. It is always rejoin at the next safest...
In no other form of motor sport do the competitors have to rejoin the track where they left. It is always rejoin at the next safest place without gaining an advantage.
Do you really want a guy who has left the track to stop, turn around, ride against the flow of traffic and then rejoin the race? That's just sketchy. Not to mention, one little off track excursion and your race is basically over
What Mookie did was perfect, he even dropped an extra position while off the track. Made a small mistake, redressed the situation and kept racing, the rule books have it right
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I’m trying to think of another Motorsport where leaving the track doesn’t usually mean your race just ended. Unless skidding across the grass in a NASCAR...
I’m trying to think of another Motorsport where leaving the track doesn’t usually mean your race just ended. Unless skidding across the grass in a NASCAR infield. Still when you do that you’ve usually lost 10 or 15 positions plus other issues like dirt in your wheels etc. I can’t think of any other form where you leave the track and could physically gain track position even if you tried. Not in MotoGP for sure. Can’t count off-road as you’re allowed latitude from the main “track” unless you actually cut the course. What other Motorsport are you thinking of?
Think of any car race where there is a chicane. F1, v8 supercars, indy cars, even moto gp. Riders and drivers go through chicanes missing corners and as long as they don't gain an advantage or do it repeatedly they are allowed to carry on. It happens often in Australian supercars where a car travels through the infield and enters the track in front of the cars they were behind, they pull over, let the other cars back past and then continue on
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RaceFace58 3/13/2022 8:30pm
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Weill it sounds like a problem if it happens a lot anywhere. Why are they missing the chicane? Is it because they’re going too fast to do it? Were they bumped? I’m not in favor of going back and re-entering but I do like the stop penalty for SX. The idea is not to blast alongside the track just because you don’t pass anyone. I don’t care much what they do in AUS super cars. Don’t even know what they look like though I assume kind of like what modifieds look like here.
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Big Lenny 3/13/2022 9:23pm
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You Cat's cry about everything...Jeezus...Dry
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Gravel 3/13/2022 9:27pm
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Physicality is the difference between SX/MX and car racing. Skipping the most physically draining sections of a track, even if you don’t gain any ground, is absolutely gaining an advantage.


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zehn 3/13/2022 9:29pm
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Reenter where you left is archaic and people realized how backwards it was a looong time ago. Just because they did it when you were younger doesn’t mean it’s the right rule
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