China taking a page out of Putin's script...

TheGetFresh wrote:

China’s structural problems are far worse than Russia’s. They can’t risk it.

flarider wrote:

China is far too dependent upon exports to handle the shit thrown at Russia China can't survive iron curtain style, too many people, they need to...

China is far too dependent upon exports to handle the shit thrown at Russia

China can't survive iron curtain style, too many people, they need to crank out the cheap shit for the world to feed their billion citizens

flarider wrote:

China is far too dependent upon exports to handle the shit thrown at Russia China can't survive iron curtain style, too many people, they need to...

China is far too dependent upon exports to handle the shit thrown at Russia

China can't survive iron curtain style, too many people, they need to crank out the cheap shit for the world to feed their billion citizens

swordfish wrote:

You must be mixed up. I think it’s the opposite….we are too far dependents to handle throwing shit at China.

flarider wrote:

China is far too dependent upon exports to handle the shit thrown at Russia China can't survive iron curtain style, too many people, they need to...

China is far too dependent upon exports to handle the shit thrown at Russia

China can't survive iron curtain style, too many people, they need to crank out the cheap shit for the world to feed their billion citizens

swordfish wrote:

You must be mixed up. I think it’s the opposite….we are too far dependents to handle throwing shit at China.

flarider wrote:

We can live without them, be tough for awhile, but we can.

Their entire existence is import/export

flarider wrote:

But we would have the sharable resources of the free world, from South American fruits and vegetables, European grains, and we are one of the largest...

But we would have the sharable resources of the free world, from South American fruits and vegetables, European grains, and we are one of the largest beef and pork producers and exporters, a lot of it to china.

Not saying it'd be easy, but with worldwide cooperation amongst UN and NATO nations, we can ride it out

I have faith in America and American ingenuity.

flarider wrote:

China is far too dependent upon exports to handle the shit thrown at Russia China can't survive iron curtain style, too many people, they need to...

China is far too dependent upon exports to handle the shit thrown at Russia

China can't survive iron curtain style, too many people, they need to crank out the cheap shit for the world to feed their billion citizens

swordfish wrote:

You must be mixed up. I think it’s the opposite….we are too far dependents to handle throwing shit at China.

flarider wrote:

We can live without them, be tough for awhile, but we can.

Their entire existence is import/export

Yeti831 wrote:

Well, we could if certain political faction would stop putting knives into the heart of domestic manufacturing and making us more dependent on foreign supply. Let’s...

Well, we could if certain political faction would stop putting knives into the heart of domestic manufacturing and making us more dependent on foreign supply.

Let’s be real, we are two pissed off countries away from a major supply issues.

We need to keep our markets domestic, or at least to this hemisphere. Why tf are we constantly doing overseas trades? Last I checked, South America has plenty of energy resources and agriculture. Let’s do more business with our southern neighbors and start helping them flourish.

May also take care of our ridiculous south border problem (which btw, apparently Blinkin is giving a finger to the federal court order that stated the Trump stay in Mexico policy was to remain in place).

Honestly, I fucking hate Russia and China and I would love to see them cut off from everything North Korea style.

Look at how many of their citizens moved stateside and got hemmed up for spying, or even a few of our spying for them. Southern border is bad enough, we need to cut that shit out yesterday.

plowboy wrote:

I read this somewhere and believe it to be true, "The only thing an election changes is WHO gets the money". The nation's security will (and...

I read this somewhere and believe it to be true, "The only thing an election changes is WHO gets the money". The nation's security will (and always has) take a back seat to profit. When you make deals with the devil...there is always fine print. Sad part is...you and I...us....we didn't sign anything. We were all too busy trying to put eats on the table to notice our "elected officials" had dropped us in the shit. It doesn't matter which party is in charge...

TheGetFresh wrote:

China is in a far more precarious position than many of you seem to think. From a civilian perspective they are largely dependent on other countries...

China is in a far more precarious position than many of you seem to think. From a civilian perspective they are largely dependent on other countries and isolating sanctions would cripple them more than they will Russia. China is a net importer of food and energy and doesn’t have the domestic capacity to support their population.

China also has a major demographic problem. Within 10 years they will have the largest population of retirees per capita and should top Japan as the oldest average population in the world. This is partly a result of their one child policy but the trend continued even after that policy was erased. Chinas consumer economy is driven by high impact spending by young people. They’re buying pizzas and cars and electronic devices, not houses and diapers. This drives rapid technological development but doesn’t bode well for the long term.

Meanwhile, the cost of Chinese labor has risen significantly since the early 2000s but efficiency has grown only marginally. As any country grows richer the cost of its laborers rises. Mix in china’s retiring and dying labor force and this changes compounds in a way that outstrips productive output. China is getting more expensive but productivity isn’t rising at nearly the same rate. This growth has been driven by foreign investment and stays largely dependent on it, mostly from the United States. If the US banned all Chinese consumer imports (an easier feat than banning food or energy imports) The Chinese economy would deteriorate very quickly.

Now let’s look at their military. China has a gigantic population, but it’s demographic of men of war fighting age and suitability isn’t a reflection of that huge population. Compared to the Russians the Chinese have less equipment and it’s not as sophisticated. The Russians have fought wars in Syria, Georgia, Kazakhstan, etc. over the last two decades, but the Chinese have been much less active. If the Russians are having this much trouble in Ukraine with all that experience, how would the Chinese do in a war? Russia also has an advantage in Ukraine because they were able to mobilize from the borders with a huge number of tanks and armored vehicles. China would have to invade Tawain over unfriendly waters. The country has two Soviet era ski-jump type aircraft carriers that carry a combined 60 aircraft. A single American aircraft carrier can hold 90 aircraft… and we have eleven of those.

TheGetFresh wrote:

China is in a far more precarious position than many of you seem to think. From a civilian perspective they are largely dependent on other countries...

China is in a far more precarious position than many of you seem to think. From a civilian perspective they are largely dependent on other countries and isolating sanctions would cripple them more than they will Russia. China is a net importer of food and energy and doesn’t have the domestic capacity to support their population.

China also has a major demographic problem. Within 10 years they will have the largest population of retirees per capita and should top Japan as the oldest average population in the world. This is partly a result of their one child policy but the trend continued even after that policy was erased. Chinas consumer economy is driven by high impact spending by young people. They’re buying pizzas and cars and electronic devices, not houses and diapers. This drives rapid technological development but doesn’t bode well for the long term.

Meanwhile, the cost of Chinese labor has risen significantly since the early 2000s but efficiency has grown only marginally. As any country grows richer the cost of its laborers rises. Mix in china’s retiring and dying labor force and this changes compounds in a way that outstrips productive output. China is getting more expensive but productivity isn’t rising at nearly the same rate. This growth has been driven by foreign investment and stays largely dependent on it, mostly from the United States. If the US banned all Chinese consumer imports (an easier feat than banning food or energy imports) The Chinese economy would deteriorate very quickly.

Now let’s look at their military. China has a gigantic population, but it’s demographic of men of war fighting age and suitability isn’t a reflection of that huge population. Compared to the Russians the Chinese have less equipment and it’s not as sophisticated. The Russians have fought wars in Syria, Georgia, Kazakhstan, etc. over the last two decades, but the Chinese have been much less active. If the Russians are having this much trouble in Ukraine with all that experience, how would the Chinese do in a war? Russia also has an advantage in Ukraine because they were able to mobilize from the borders with a huge number of tanks and armored vehicles. China would have to invade Tawain over unfriendly waters. The country has two Soviet era ski-jump type aircraft carriers that carry a combined 60 aircraft. A single American aircraft carrier can hold 90 aircraft… and we have eleven of those.

flarider wrote:

SPY SPY!