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Great lol I get to reset the sag again then hahaha. Oh well, easy enough. So I get a little confused by all of the conversions, AER vs XACT, and so on. I'll have to try to learn and make sure I do not buy something wrong. For me, I think the single sided conversion will handle the little complaints I have if the issue doesnt mellow out over the next dozen hours or so. Do you think the same way?
If I am doing my math right you are running 105 + static sag which is probably 30-50mm so 135-155 race sag. Does it even steer without a rut to guide it? I would fix that before you do anything else and then try the handlebar.
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Well seriously though I guess it's always good to check our knowledge. I've been dumb for a decade it seems. No screenshots allowed
Lets table this until I swap bars and dial the sag in just right. Fairly certain everything I say is past the point of accuracy. Thanks a million for the help everyone. REALLY appreciate it.
It's the 100mm sag causing issues. 102-104 sag, 37-40mm free sag. Run as much sag as you can towards 40 and 105, but with the bike still turning and offering fronend traction.
Just curious. I've got a 22 MC350 with 8 hrs. Feels pretty good, but I'm left wondering if it could be a lot better. Looking at similar options to what you've mentioned including the coppersmith hybrid system.
I'm about to begin adjusting all my suspension (bone stock WP AER forks) now that I've broken them in, so will report back when I find some settings that are dialed in. Just using standard settings from the manual and air at 155psi it's really not bad at all, I'd say maybe smoothing out the small chop a little more (which can be done with clicker adjustments) is my next step... otherwise they are really nice feeling.
You have a couple things to consider as well... with all the variables in tuning and rider preference, I'm not sure you could easily just say "It's 175lb B class rider"... because what one person says B, another might be like no he is a C or A rider. Secondly... you got MX, trails, enduro type riders, all different valving potentially... Within even the weight range, some riders have valving drastically different among same weight and rider class.
Only way to know is get the bike, ride it/break in the suspension and spend a little time with the many adjustments available on them to start. You'd be surprised how nice you can make it feel stock if you are within at least the weight range for the standard shock with 105mm sag and the static sag set within a good range. From there it's little things that maybe you can't quite get from the clicker adjustments that a suspension shop like WP, Factory Connections, Enzo, JBI, or other places can fine tune by calling and talking to the techs. The new 21/22/23 WP AER suspension is highly tunable and can definitely be ridden without a revalve for a fairly broad range of riders within the specific weight criteria they post in the manual.
5 hours on it now , 55 y/o Vet C
The forks are not bad at all but I learned that balance is the key and if the rear is not set properly, the front won’t feel right or not good as it could be .
The spring rate choices from the Austrians puzzle me though. Seems more a way for the group to save $ by buying large qties of the same rate than anything else .
The 450F is spec’d with a 42 , and so is my 250 2stroke.
I’m 210ish and a 48 barely give me good sag numbers
Steven’s right and stock can be made to work with proper adjustment .
I think there’s a line for the shock when drastic rate change will also require a revalve. ( and I might be past that line )
The AER came a long way and offer tons of adjustability.
I've got 15 hrs on mine right now. With the below settings. Bike feels good in most situations, but big consecutive braking bumps I really have to accelerate through or get my butt back. Those bumps really only develop on race days, so are harder to test with.
Looking at revalve/spring conversions options. I'm on a tight budget, so making the forks work stock is much preferred. Also looked at the JBI pro valving DIY, but can't find any reviews
Weight: 160lb w/gear
Skill: Local midpack C
Type: Motocross Only
Fork:
Pressure: 150psi
Comp: 12
Reb: 13
Fork height: 2nd line
Shock:
High speed: 1.25
Low speed: 15
Rebound: 10
Static Sag: 39mm
Race Sag: 105mm (standing)
Spring Rate: 39Nm
Pit Row
I originally went in 1/4 on high speed as the rear was bouncing/not tracking on acceleration bumps before jumps. Perhaps that was just an issue while breaking in? A lot of testers recommended going in 1/4 and definitely helped. I think the intent is to keep the shock higher in the stroke.
I take it your suggestion is to increase shock movement, correct the corresponding lower rear feel with less sag, and help the rear recover faster with less rebound damping? Will those settings help the forks at all or mainly just the shock?
Personally what I’ve seen with the shock is it will pack up (rebound too slow. Slow mo video helps identify this problem) with big braking bumps and cause the rear to hop side to side. The other is too stiff of rear high speed.
“A high feeling in these situations, or hitting these whoops or bumps and instantly deflecting off them, indicates that your rear suspension is too stiff.”
https://motocrossactionmag.com/amp/bones-bacon-on-suspension-high-speed…
Fork:
Pressure: 140psi
Comp: 12
Reb: 13
Fork height: 2nd line
Shock:
High speed: 1.75
Low speed: 15
Rebound: 12
Static Sag: 36mm
Race Sag: 102mm (standing)
Spring Rate: 39Nm
Brief Testing Summary:
Initially, I went out on HS and rebound. The shock was much more compliant over breaking and acceleration bumps. The slight kick I've been experiencing on steep jumps was also gone. However, the bike resisted initial lean in for turns so badly that I pulled off the track thinking something was wrong! Never experienced that before. Also, I needed a lot more throttle to make jumps as the rear was sucking up power.
I adjusted the sag from 105mm to 102mm and the resistance to initial lean disappeared and I got better drive to the rear.
Next I noticed the forks were stiff compared to the shock, so I reduced the pressure from 150psi to 146psi and then to 140psi. The forks started moving and provided more comfort. Coming up short on jumps was less comfortable, but acceptable.
So stiffer spring or go back to 1.5hsc.
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