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Edited Date/Time 3/13/2022 10:10am
Why is it year after year there is so many empty gates in the mxgp? Is it lack of prize money and expensive entry, or is there more to it?
Looks so silly on tv that the top level sport is run like that. There is so many fast riders across Europe and enough to fill the gates, and I’m sure the riders want to win races and championships with full gates not 25ish odd blokes, so why do the promoters not try make it work? Am I missing something?
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philG 2/28/2022 11:23am
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Wil Denis wrote:
Why is it year after year there is so many empty gates in the mxgp? Is it lack of prize money and expensive entry, or is...
Why is it year after year there is so many empty gates in the mxgp? Is it lack of prize money and expensive entry, or is there more to it?
Looks so silly on tv that the top level sport is run like that. There is so many fast riders across Europe and enough to fill the gates, and I’m sure the riders want to win races and championships with full gates not 25ish odd blokes, so why do the promoters not try make it work? Am I missing something?
You realise there is a pandemic and the world is on its arse , right?

Lots of guys injured , and a lot of guys retired, so its gonna be thin... obviously you could gate fill with locals, but they ride the EMX classes.

Plus it was a rescheduled race, Mantova next week will be better , hopefully.
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mx313 2/28/2022 11:24am
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I'm pretty sure your average pro cannot just go and sign up and race. You have to either be on a certified team. Or receive a wild card entry. Wild cards are given to the top 5 or so riders from home country or neighbouring countries.
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Robgvx 2/28/2022 11:31am
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mx313 wrote:
I'm pretty sure your average pro cannot just go and sign up and race. You have to either be on a certified team. Or receive a...
I'm pretty sure your average pro cannot just go and sign up and race. You have to either be on a certified team. Or receive a wild card entry. Wild cards are given to the top 5 or so riders from home country or neighbouring countries.
As if.

If you wanted to race, and you have €1,000, you’d be in the GP.
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lostboy819 2/28/2022 11:38am
2/28/2022 11:38am Edited Date/Time 2/28/2022 3:26pm
But I thought the MXGPs were the pinnacle of motocross. Laughing pretty sad for the MXGPs
No wonder some of MXGP riders like to come to the USA and race, It would be my goal to race in the US and do the nationals and SXs and get the heck away from the MXGPs.
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LouisianaMotocross 2/28/2022 11:47am
2/28/2022 11:47am
Wil Denis wrote:
Why is it year after year there is so many empty gates in the mxgp? Is it lack of prize money and expensive entry, or is...
Why is it year after year there is so many empty gates in the mxgp? Is it lack of prize money and expensive entry, or is there more to it?
Looks so silly on tv that the top level sport is run like that. There is so many fast riders across Europe and enough to fill the gates, and I’m sure the riders want to win races and championships with full gates not 25ish odd blokes, so why do the promoters not try make it work? Am I missing something?
philG wrote:
You realise there is a pandemic and the world is on its arse , right? Lots of guys injured , and a lot of guys retired...
You realise there is a pandemic and the world is on its arse , right?

Lots of guys injured , and a lot of guys retired, so its gonna be thin... obviously you could gate fill with locals, but they ride the EMX classes.

Plus it was a rescheduled race, Mantova next week will be better , hopefully.
It was like this before covid. When RV2 raced I noticed it(more than 25 but still not a full gate).
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The gates were a little empty, but the racing and TV production was, FANTASTIC!!
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lostboy819 wrote:
But I thought the MXGPs were the pinnacle of motocross. :laugh: pretty sad for the MXGPs No wonder some of MXGP riders like to come to...
But I thought the MXGPs were the pinnacle of motocross. Laughing pretty sad for the MXGPs
No wonder some of MXGP riders like to come to the USA and race, It would be my goal to race in the US and do the nationals and SXs and get the heck away from the MXGPs.
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tobz 2/28/2022 12:04pm
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Wil Denis wrote:
Why is it year after year there is so many empty gates in the mxgp? Is it lack of prize money and expensive entry, or is...
Why is it year after year there is so many empty gates in the mxgp? Is it lack of prize money and expensive entry, or is there more to it?
Looks so silly on tv that the top level sport is run like that. There is so many fast riders across Europe and enough to fill the gates, and I’m sure the riders want to win races and championships with full gates not 25ish odd blokes, so why do the promoters not try make it work? Am I missing something?
Did you pay attention to what happened the week before, and couldn’t put two and two together?
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ajv#26 2/28/2022 12:05pm
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For me l don't care... why a full gate if half are lapped??
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Leave Us To 2/28/2022 12:20pm
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Wil Denis wrote:
Why is it year after year there is so many empty gates in the mxgp? Is it lack of prize money and expensive entry, or is...
Why is it year after year there is so many empty gates in the mxgp? Is it lack of prize money and expensive entry, or is there more to it?
Looks so silly on tv that the top level sport is run like that. There is so many fast riders across Europe and enough to fill the gates, and I’m sure the riders want to win races and championships with full gates not 25ish odd blokes, so why do the promoters not try make it work? Am I missing something?
philG wrote:
You realise there is a pandemic and the world is on its arse , right? Lots of guys injured , and a lot of guys retired...
You realise there is a pandemic and the world is on its arse , right?

Lots of guys injured , and a lot of guys retired, so its gonna be thin... obviously you could gate fill with locals, but they ride the EMX classes.

Plus it was a rescheduled race, Mantova next week will be better , hopefully.
7 down votes for sharing the truth. I appreciate your post.
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JMR1976 2/28/2022 12:22pm
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tobz wrote:
Did you pay attention to what happened the week before, and couldn’t put two and two together?
If you pay attention the gates are rarely full.
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Mugeneco 2/28/2022 12:48pm
2/28/2022 12:48pm
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But I thought the MXGPs were the pinnacle of motocross. :laugh: pretty sad for the MXGPs No wonder some of MXGP riders like to come to...
But I thought the MXGPs were the pinnacle of motocross. Laughing pretty sad for the MXGPs
No wonder some of MXGP riders like to come to the USA and race, It would be my goal to race in the US and do the nationals and SXs and get the heck away from the MXGPs.
like Ferrandis did because he got beat week in week out , dude has won a single GP in his career and goes USA and look at him now , double 250 SX champ and 450 outdoor champ .. you think he would have won a 450 title at MXGP ?

i prefer 25 on gate with no lappers and great racing over a full gate and see 25 riders get lapped at least once .. dont see what to like about that at all
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LouisianaMotocross 2/28/2022 12:53pm
2/28/2022 12:53pm
lostboy819 wrote:
But I thought the MXGPs were the pinnacle of motocross. :laugh: pretty sad for the MXGPs No wonder some of MXGP riders like to come to...
But I thought the MXGPs were the pinnacle of motocross. Laughing pretty sad for the MXGPs
No wonder some of MXGP riders like to come to the USA and race, It would be my goal to race in the US and do the nationals and SXs and get the heck away from the MXGPs.
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like Ferrandis did because he got beat week in week out , dude has won a single GP in his career and goes USA and look...
like Ferrandis did because he got beat week in week out , dude has won a single GP in his career and goes USA and look at him now , double 250 SX champ and 450 outdoor champ .. you think he would have won a 450 title at MXGP ?

i prefer 25 on gate with no lappers and great racing over a full gate and see 25 riders get lapped at least once .. dont see what to like about that at all
If you think DF14 would struggle in MXGP I don't know what to tell you. He would be very competitive and challenging for wins. That is one of the worst rebuttals I have ever read.
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Mugeneco 2/28/2022 12:57pm
2/28/2022 12:57pm Edited Date/Time 2/28/2022 1:00pm
LouisianaMotocross wrote:
If you think DF14 would struggle in MXGP I don't know what to tell you. He would be very competitive and challenging for wins. That is...
If you think DF14 would struggle in MXGP I don't know what to tell you. He would be very competitive and challenging for wins. That is one of the worst rebuttals I have ever read.
based on what ? his results in AMA ? so you think him moving up to 450 Yamaha in MXGP he would win races and beat Prado,Gajser,Cairoli and Herlings ? you might want to have a look at his record in 250 . Look at Prado and how he whooped the 250 class and moved up and now struggles to get wins .. great story but based on his results in 250 dont see how Ferrandis would be beating those on a bigger bike
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quadzrulebro 2/28/2022 1:02pm
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lostboy819 wrote:
But I thought the MXGPs were the pinnacle of motocross. :laugh: pretty sad for the MXGPs No wonder some of MXGP riders like to come to...
But I thought the MXGPs were the pinnacle of motocross. Laughing pretty sad for the MXGPs
No wonder some of MXGP riders like to come to the USA and race, It would be my goal to race in the US and do the nationals and SXs and get the heck away from the MXGPs.
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Pinacol…

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Maybe he was talking about a pina colada?
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LouisianaMotocross 2/28/2022 1:10pm
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LouisianaMotocross wrote:
If you think DF14 would struggle in MXGP I don't know what to tell you. He would be very competitive and challenging for wins. That is...
If you think DF14 would struggle in MXGP I don't know what to tell you. He would be very competitive and challenging for wins. That is one of the worst rebuttals I have ever read.
Mugeneco wrote:
based on what ? his results in AMA ? so you think him moving up to 450 Yamaha in MXGP he would win races and beat...
based on what ? his results in AMA ? so you think him moving up to 450 Yamaha in MXGP he would win races and beat Prado,Gajser,Cairoli and Herlings ? you might want to have a look at his record in 250 . Look at Prado and how he whooped the 250 class and moved up and now struggles to get wins .. great story but based on his results in 250 dont see how Ferrandis would be beating those on a bigger bike
Why are you even looking at results from that long ago? Do guys not progress? Get better? figure things out? I know MXGP dudes are super proud, but it's just not a good argument.
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Marco15UK 2/28/2022 1:12pm
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mx313 wrote:
I'm pretty sure your average pro cannot just go and sign up and race. You have to either be on a certified team. Or receive a...
I'm pretty sure your average pro cannot just go and sign up and race. You have to either be on a certified team. Or receive a wild card entry. Wild cards are given to the top 5 or so riders from home country or neighbouring countries.
Not true, Timothee Hoarau did the last 5 gp's in the MXGP class last year. That guy did not get a wildcard from being top 5 in France.
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philG wrote:
You realise there is a pandemic and the world is on its arse , right? Lots of guys injured , and a lot of guys retired...
You realise there is a pandemic and the world is on its arse , right?

Lots of guys injured , and a lot of guys retired, so its gonna be thin... obviously you could gate fill with locals, but they ride the EMX classes.

Plus it was a rescheduled race, Mantova next week will be better , hopefully.
Everything you said is true I suppose...but....MXGP has had less than full gates LONG before Covid became an issue.
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philG 2/28/2022 1:57pm
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philG wrote:
You realise there is a pandemic and the world is on its arse , right? Lots of guys injured , and a lot of guys retired...
You realise there is a pandemic and the world is on its arse , right?

Lots of guys injured , and a lot of guys retired, so its gonna be thin... obviously you could gate fill with locals, but they ride the EMX classes.

Plus it was a rescheduled race, Mantova next week will be better , hopefully.
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Everything you said is true I suppose...but....MXGP has had less than full gates LONG before Covid became an issue.
Early season races are usually better, i grant you, but look at what has happened.

Neither Husky nor Kawasaki have a title sponsor.

Suzuki is gone

Cairoli has gone , Tonus has gone, , Stribos has gone, Simpson Before that, Desalle and Paulin , Searle

Herlings, Febvre, Jonass, Monticelli, hurt , plus a couple of others over the weekend.

Plus it was Le Touquet this weekend as well, so Paturel and the MotoBlouz team were there.

Last year, i think there were 30 on the gate at the opening round, and i think there were 10 world champions, and all bar a couple had won GP's

Quality over quantity, is always better IMO , but you cant gatefill for the sake of it. Otherwise you get what we have in AMA , where guys are getting lapped from half distance , which is as bad IMO.


Covid has hit budgets , for sure, we are seeing teams running a 250 and a 450, instead of a bunch of riders in 250, it all adds up ( or subtracts)

I remember a few years ago , the slowest guy was Klement Gercer, and he was an MX3 World Champion.

World Championship is not cheap, and there is a limit to who can do it .

On the other hand EMX is thriving, whether you think it makes sense running to MX2 rules is anyones guess, but the idea of having one combined class , and taking 40 guys works on paper, in the same way that combining coasts does in SX... some say it will make rides go away , until it happens, we will never know
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ATKpilot99 2/28/2022 1:58pm
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LouisianaMotocross wrote:
If you think DF14 would struggle in MXGP I don't know what to tell you. He would be very competitive and challenging for wins. That is...
If you think DF14 would struggle in MXGP I don't know what to tell you. He would be very competitive and challenging for wins. That is one of the worst rebuttals I have ever read.
Mugeneco wrote:
based on what ? his results in AMA ? so you think him moving up to 450 Yamaha in MXGP he would win races and beat...
based on what ? his results in AMA ? so you think him moving up to 450 Yamaha in MXGP he would win races and beat Prado,Gajser,Cairoli and Herlings ? you might want to have a look at his record in 250 . Look at Prado and how he whooped the 250 class and moved up and now struggles to get wins .. great story but based on his results in 250 dont see how Ferrandis would be beating those on a bigger bike
Who knows how he would do . By that logic Ken Roczen should mop the floor in MXGP judging by how he handled Herlings years ago in mx2.
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Dirt_Dawg 2/28/2022 2:24pm
2/28/2022 2:24pm Edited Date/Time 3/11/2022 5:39am
Im ok with 30 but anything below that make the series look bad in every level. Fans want entertainment 20 racers doesn't do it. Not good for the specators.
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smee113 2/28/2022 2:34pm
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I collect old GP programs from the 50's and 60's; having ~25 riders on the entry list was pretty common. I think I heard DeCoster say that you had to be national champion to race the GP's. So even though the fields were lighter, you were only racing the best of the best.

I guess what I'm getting at is, if you have all the best, what does it matter if the gate is full or not?
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mxpappy711 2/28/2022 2:51pm
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If your business is failing it’s usually due to poor management here. Is there a problem with management maybe?
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YellowZonker 2/28/2022 3:18pm
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LouisianaMotocross wrote:
If you think DF14 would struggle in MXGP I don't know what to tell you. He would be very competitive and challenging for wins. That is...
If you think DF14 would struggle in MXGP I don't know what to tell you. He would be very competitive and challenging for wins. That is one of the worst rebuttals I have ever read.
Mugeneco wrote:
based on what ? his results in AMA ? so you think him moving up to 450 Yamaha in MXGP he would win races and beat...
based on what ? his results in AMA ? so you think him moving up to 450 Yamaha in MXGP he would win races and beat Prado,Gajser,Cairoli and Herlings ? you might want to have a look at his record in 250 . Look at Prado and how he whooped the 250 class and moved up and now struggles to get wins .. great story but based on his results in 250 dont see how Ferrandis would be beating those on a bigger bike
With that logic, Roczen is a way better 450 rider than Herlings....
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Richard Tease II 2/28/2022 3:24pm
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Costs 2000 pounds just to enter i've been told by a current factory rider over there.
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fanger 2/28/2022 3:25pm
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Why does it matter, I prefer quality over quantity any day of the week.
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lostboy819 2/28/2022 3:29pm
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lostboy819 wrote:
But I thought the MXGPs were the pinnacle of motocross. :laugh: pretty sad for the MXGPs No wonder some of MXGP riders like to come to...
But I thought the MXGPs were the pinnacle of motocross. Laughing pretty sad for the MXGPs
No wonder some of MXGP riders like to come to the USA and race, It would be my goal to race in the US and do the nationals and SXs and get the heck away from the MXGPs.
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Maybe he was talking about a pina colada?
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JMR1976 2/28/2022 3:47pm
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mxpappy711 wrote:
If your business is failing it’s usually due to poor management here. Is there a problem with management maybe?
Their business isn’t failing it’s doing well actually. They just don’t have full gates for whatever reason.
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jemcee 2/28/2022 11:16pm
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Is there any other reason for why full gates are necessary apart from 'looks better on tv'?
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Tank_Slapper 2/28/2022 11:32pm
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I would like to apologize for having the best series in the world and stealing all the best riders

Joke got you.....
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