What separates in the whoops

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San Diego whoops were impressive. Such a difference in speed and ability to get through them. Is it factory level suspension, proper suspension set up, ability to train on real deal whoops, rider height or just talent?
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okieonayamaha 1/24/2022 5:02am
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Commitment before even entering them.
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Mostly talent... You have to be able to enter with the speed needed to stay on top and then stay on top.
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okieonayamaha wrote:
Commitment before even entering them.
This is what I was always taught, and what looks the most apparent. But the confidence to commit like that is probably brought on with proper set up…or the ability to shut your brain off

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Skill, body position, bike setup and commitment.
The confidence to nail whoops consistently only comes from hours of dedicated practice on that particular obstacle.
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okieonayamaha wrote:
Commitment before even entering them.
This is halfway true. Even with commitment without proper technique, it won't work.
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viking24 wrote:
San Diego whoops were impressive. Such a difference in speed and ability to get through them. Is it factory level suspension, proper suspension set up, ability...
San Diego whoops were impressive. Such a difference in speed and ability to get through them. Is it factory level suspension, proper suspension set up, ability to train on real deal whoops, rider height or just talent?
Having the technique and speed to have the flatest balance possible on the first 2-3 and to hit every whoop with the rear wheel the highest possible. You have to pull the bike up (bunny hop) on the set up whoop without having the front wheel too high (so you don't get kicked when your rear wheel hits the first steep whoop) without losing your acceleration/drive and then manage/gain the speed to hit the top round part of every whoop with the rear wheel. Very complex but when you get the hang of it, it's not extremely hard despite seeing a lot of pros struggling in them. Basically, watch Christian Craig, he's Mr Whoops 101...
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The riders who are fast in whoops have. Tegridy
The slow riders in the whoops have no. Tegridy
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Motodave15 wrote:
The riders who are fast in whoops have. Tegridy
The slow riders in the whoops have no. Tegridy
wtf is tegridy?
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dv12.com wrote:
Having the technique and speed to have the flatest balance possible on the first 2-3 and to hit every whoop with the rear wheel the highest...
Having the technique and speed to have the flatest balance possible on the first 2-3 and to hit every whoop with the rear wheel the highest possible. You have to pull the bike up (bunny hop) on the set up whoop without having the front wheel too high (so you don't get kicked when your rear wheel hits the first steep whoop) without losing your acceleration/drive and then manage/gain the speed to hit the top round part of every whoop with the rear wheel. Very complex but when you get the hang of it, it's not extremely hard despite seeing a lot of pros struggling in them. Basically, watch Christian Craig, he's Mr Whoops 101...
Seriously, David... Why didn't you explain all this to Marvin?
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profeshenal125 1/24/2022 6:00pm
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1st ride on my 1st Mx bike a 87 NSR cr125. Mc chickenie Forrest in Nov aprox 9 degrees. I hit the whoops with trees on both side in 4 th hit 5th then 6th, tried up shifting more. The whoops r about a 1/4 mi b4 you turn and hit more. I Love whoops. Next track had 4 ft whoops, I broke the shock. Being tall 6,2 naturally use a setup b4 hitting them. Zero fear I never once thought it was possible to crash in them. For 15 yrs our local track had clay whoops , I ride them forward and backward. A diff technique is used riding them backwards. I had fc revalve suspension for 3.5 to 4 ft clay whoops. Stiff forks with a slower rebound that I like. Helped a lot. 04 cr125 stroker crank , best chassis ever helps.
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viking24 wrote:
San Diego whoops were impressive. Such a difference in speed and ability to get through them. Is it factory level suspension, proper suspension set up, ability...
San Diego whoops were impressive. Such a difference in speed and ability to get through them. Is it factory level suspension, proper suspension set up, ability to train on real deal whoops, rider height or just talent?
dv12.com wrote:
Having the technique and speed to have the flatest balance possible on the first 2-3 and to hit every whoop with the rear wheel the highest...
Having the technique and speed to have the flatest balance possible on the first 2-3 and to hit every whoop with the rear wheel the highest possible. You have to pull the bike up (bunny hop) on the set up whoop without having the front wheel too high (so you don't get kicked when your rear wheel hits the first steep whoop) without losing your acceleration/drive and then manage/gain the speed to hit the top round part of every whoop with the rear wheel. Very complex but when you get the hang of it, it's not extremely hard despite seeing a lot of pros struggling in them. Basically, watch Christian Craig, he's Mr Whoops 101...
Thanks for that DV. Never have even thought about doing more of a bunny hop into them like that. Will have to start practicing this way here on out.
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profeshenal125 1/24/2022 6:37pm
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Ride the rear brake in some. Basically hit the whoops like a start everything you got. Pastrana on a 250 at Daytona , that is how you ride whoops. At fight club Travis said you could gain 6 seconds a lap in the whoops, Stanton said 6 seconds? You can get a drive threw them faster than being on a flat straight away.
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I’ve said this 100 times. Whoops just require you to sack up and enter with as much speed as possible. Go in with the front end light and just keep it pinned. The faster you go the easier they are. Chad Reed, DV12 and JS7 where the most impressive I’ve ever seen. Today’s racers with the best speed and skill are Craig and Ferrandis. I’m sure DV12 taught him well.
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Motodave15 1/24/2022 9:59pm
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Motodave15 wrote:
The riders who are fast in whoops have. Tegridy
The slow riders in the whoops have no. Tegridy
HD1200 wrote:
wtf is tegridy?

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Riesenberg448 1/25/2022 12:43am
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While suspension setup, entrance speed, engine, and even tires (spec tires are both lighter and don't bog the bike down but also hook up on each whoop better) can play a role; technique is key. If you can get the initial unload/hop/set/drive part down, the rest can be fine tuned. When there isn't a starter and they have to wheelie in it or the initial whoops are much steeper it gets way more challenging, but still the same techniques.

I once watched a rider who retired and became a mechanic at one of the public tracks on a CR250 come over from the outdoor track and jump on a set of whoops and shred them 10x faster than a rider with a very good SX setup.

The biggest thing you are seeing now I believe is just a shock factor. With the new "big whoops", you're not able to drop in partway through as a safety net and that's been uncommon in recent years.

I applaud the big whoops as both a fan and a person who works for a company who spends countless hours trying to make it easier for riders to get through whoops. Maybe it's my AX background, but I appreciate the challenge and separation.
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viking24 wrote:
San Diego whoops were impressive. Such a difference in speed and ability to get through them. Is it factory level suspension, proper suspension set up, ability...
San Diego whoops were impressive. Such a difference in speed and ability to get through them. Is it factory level suspension, proper suspension set up, ability to train on real deal whoops, rider height or just talent?
dv12.com wrote:
Having the technique and speed to have the flatest balance possible on the first 2-3 and to hit every whoop with the rear wheel the highest...
Having the technique and speed to have the flatest balance possible on the first 2-3 and to hit every whoop with the rear wheel the highest possible. You have to pull the bike up (bunny hop) on the set up whoop without having the front wheel too high (so you don't get kicked when your rear wheel hits the first steep whoop) without losing your acceleration/drive and then manage/gain the speed to hit the top round part of every whoop with the rear wheel. Very complex but when you get the hang of it, it's not extremely hard despite seeing a lot of pros struggling in them. Basically, watch Christian Craig, he's Mr Whoops 101...
You know, I kinda intuitively knew what you were talking about describing the “bunny hop” but I never would have phrased it that way, I’d say more like manual in, but that would be wrong because you’d have the front too high.

And that sir is why you’re training the best (and were one of them) and I’m just some dude on the Internet Grinning
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