Harley-Davidson Takes LiveWire Public, Announces New Arrow Powertrain

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Harley spinning out their electric brand to focus on new styles and electric power train tech. Although the closest this article gets to dirt is a mention of flattrack, it would be awesome if this opens the door for an electric motocross line. Maybe Stacyc and Pan America lines start giving them more exposure to the dirt world and LivWire isn't held to the HD legacy of not being in motocross.

Dreaming here but it would be cool if an American company led the charge into electric moto like Alta tried to do.
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Harley invests in Alta and accesses their technology - March 2018
Harley rescinds all funding - August 2018
Alta doesn't have enough funding to continue
Harley opens up electric R&D shop in the same town - September 2018
Harley hires Alta engineers
This is the result.

The Alta EXR is the most amazing bike I've ridden. I'm sure the Harley technology is awesome and I'm glad it exists- but I will never buy a Harley.
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quadzrulebro 12/13/2021 4:14pm
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msp332 wrote:
Harley invests in Alta and accesses their technology - March 2018 Harley rescinds all funding - August 2018 Alta doesn't have enough funding to continue Harley...
Harley invests in Alta and accesses their technology - March 2018
Harley rescinds all funding - August 2018
Alta doesn't have enough funding to continue
Harley opens up electric R&D shop in the same town - September 2018
Harley hires Alta engineers
This is the result.

The Alta EXR is the most amazing bike I've ridden. I'm sure the Harley technology is awesome and I'm glad it exists- but I will never buy a Harley.
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msp332 wrote:
Harley invests in Alta and accesses their technology - March 2018 Harley rescinds all funding - August 2018 Alta doesn't have enough funding to continue Harley...
Harley invests in Alta and accesses their technology - March 2018
Harley rescinds all funding - August 2018
Alta doesn't have enough funding to continue
Harley opens up electric R&D shop in the same town - September 2018
Harley hires Alta engineers
This is the result.

The Alta EXR is the most amazing bike I've ridden. I'm sure the Harley technology is awesome and I'm glad it exists- but I will never buy a Harley.
From what I've heard the reason HD pulled out after the partnership was because of the high debt Alta was in. Maybe it was cheaper to do what they did instead of inheriting the debt? Someone told me Alta was costing something like close to a million a month to run. It sounds crazy for the number of bikes they were selling. Could be heresay.
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msp332 wrote:
Harley invests in Alta and accesses their technology - March 2018 Harley rescinds all funding - August 2018 Alta doesn't have enough funding to continue Harley...
Harley invests in Alta and accesses their technology - March 2018
Harley rescinds all funding - August 2018
Alta doesn't have enough funding to continue
Harley opens up electric R&D shop in the same town - September 2018
Harley hires Alta engineers
This is the result.

The Alta EXR is the most amazing bike I've ridden. I'm sure the Harley technology is awesome and I'm glad it exists- but I will never buy a Harley.
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From what I've heard the reason HD pulled out after the partnership was because of the high debt Alta was in. Maybe it was cheaper to...
From what I've heard the reason HD pulled out after the partnership was because of the high debt Alta was in. Maybe it was cheaper to do what they did instead of inheriting the debt? Someone told me Alta was costing something like close to a million a month to run. It sounds crazy for the number of bikes they were selling. Could be heresay.
Yeah, that's pretty much the way it went down. H-D agreed to an investment and then upon opening the books they saw it was unsustainable.

Alta may have been a great bike and had all the potential in the world, but they were a victim of bad management and an industry that really didn't want them upsetting the applecart.
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msp332 wrote:
Harley invests in Alta and accesses their technology - March 2018 Harley rescinds all funding - August 2018 Alta doesn't have enough funding to continue Harley...
Harley invests in Alta and accesses their technology - March 2018
Harley rescinds all funding - August 2018
Alta doesn't have enough funding to continue
Harley opens up electric R&D shop in the same town - September 2018
Harley hires Alta engineers
This is the result.

The Alta EXR is the most amazing bike I've ridden. I'm sure the Harley technology is awesome and I'm glad it exists- but I will never buy a Harley.
CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:
From what I've heard the reason HD pulled out after the partnership was because of the high debt Alta was in. Maybe it was cheaper to...
From what I've heard the reason HD pulled out after the partnership was because of the high debt Alta was in. Maybe it was cheaper to do what they did instead of inheriting the debt? Someone told me Alta was costing something like close to a million a month to run. It sounds crazy for the number of bikes they were selling. Could be heresay.
Welcome to current tech companies. Most don't make a dime, even post IPO. Its all about finding the next unicorn not showing net profits
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McG194 wrote:
Wonder if that relates to Matthes's Tweet earlier today. I was expecting it to be about Triumph.


https://twitter.com/pulpmx/status/1470430524732690436?s=20
Isn't there an electric motorcycle brand...called SMART or FLY SMART...?

OK, found this:

https://vimeo.com/319122367

The FLY FREE SMART Series is the world's most classically designed electric motorcycle that's visually spot on, fun to ride and a clear winner for urban commuting. It was envisioned by childhood friends, who loved racing & took part in enduro and motocross.

Since 2016 the team prototyped their way to reinventing and handcrafting 3 motorcycles from the 50s: The Scrambler, Brat and Cafe Racer, wanting to give riders a great looking motorcycle that was a joy to handle and gas free.
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The LiveWire brand is a joint venture between HD and Kymco, as well as a SPAC for funding.

From what I can gather, Kymco Taiwan is being leveraged to aid with engineering and manufacturing of the new model, HD will use its existing network of dealerships for sales and service. So in all reality, the bike being marketed here is a KYMCO, badged as a new brand known as LiveWire.

HD owns ~70% controlling share interest in the LiveWire brand, which will trade on the NYSE under LVW.

What’s interesting is that Kymco has a massive range of motorcycle models including off road motorcycles and ATVs. I could easily see where HD taps into the Kymco model lineup, re-designs them for EV powertrains, and then imports them to add to the LiveWire model lineup.
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scott_nz 12/13/2021 7:11pm
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mxtech1 wrote:
The LiveWire brand is a joint venture between HD and Kymco, as well as a SPAC for funding. From what I can gather, Kymco Taiwan is...
The LiveWire brand is a joint venture between HD and Kymco, as well as a SPAC for funding.

From what I can gather, Kymco Taiwan is being leveraged to aid with engineering and manufacturing of the new model, HD will use its existing network of dealerships for sales and service. So in all reality, the bike being marketed here is a KYMCO, badged as a new brand known as LiveWire.

HD owns ~70% controlling share interest in the LiveWire brand, which will trade on the NYSE under LVW.

What’s interesting is that Kymco has a massive range of motorcycle models including off road motorcycles and ATVs. I could easily see where HD taps into the Kymco model lineup, re-designs them for EV powertrains, and then imports them to add to the LiveWire model lineup.
Kymco already build some bikes and atvs for Yamaha and Kawasaki
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I seem to be the first to give you a thumbs up because as i see it, what you say is a true possibility and truly would be a benefit to all peoples if their dream comes true. Another option in the motorcycling world is anything and everything good and not a bad thing. We need options as enthusiasts. Why would you not want Harley to try it out? I have never owned one either. Let me say this tho- Harley has had 10000:1 failure to success ratio when it comes to business attempts. They are ambitious developers but need to get with the times or risk going out of business or more significant market share.

By the way the HD Pan America is an amazing motorcycle and has merit with its design and performance but is not in the sport performance adv category. Its a boat like HD usual. Too most of us dirtbikers it is undesirable if you are thinking you want a big street legal dirtbike.
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msp332 wrote:
Harley invests in Alta and accesses their technology - March 2018 Harley rescinds all funding - August 2018 Alta doesn't have enough funding to continue Harley...
Harley invests in Alta and accesses their technology - March 2018
Harley rescinds all funding - August 2018
Alta doesn't have enough funding to continue
Harley opens up electric R&D shop in the same town - September 2018
Harley hires Alta engineers
This is the result.

The Alta EXR is the most amazing bike I've ridden. I'm sure the Harley technology is awesome and I'm glad it exists- but I will never buy a Harley.
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It's a "Business Model" that's used all too often.

Basically, a completely Bastard Act, but, entirely legal, and very easy for a large company, to do to a smaller one. Evil
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msp332 wrote:
Harley invests in Alta and accesses their technology - March 2018 Harley rescinds all funding - August 2018 Alta doesn't have enough funding to continue Harley...
Harley invests in Alta and accesses their technology - March 2018
Harley rescinds all funding - August 2018
Alta doesn't have enough funding to continue
Harley opens up electric R&D shop in the same town - September 2018
Harley hires Alta engineers
This is the result.

The Alta EXR is the most amazing bike I've ridden. I'm sure the Harley technology is awesome and I'm glad it exists- but I will never buy a Harley.
quadzrulebro wrote:
Shady…
Bearuno wrote:
It's a "Business Model" that's used all too often. Basically, a completely Bastard Act, but, entirely legal, and very easy for a large company, to do...
It's a "Business Model" that's used all too often.

Basically, a completely Bastard Act, but, entirely legal, and very easy for a large company, to do to a smaller one. Evil
Ya, your right. Thats legal dirty business. Goes to show you that they were way out of touch with times and desperate to catch up without integrity.
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