MXGP Rumours/Silly season

philG wrote:

He has a 3 week 450 career, he was only on it because he had nothing to ride for in MX2. He also hasnt done enough...

He has a 3 week 450 career, he was only on it because he had nothing to ride for in MX2.

He also hasnt done enough in MX2 either, with the kit he had. So either the bikes were no good ( which isnt the case) or they didnt know how to get the best out of them . Flashes of speed, but not enough to make him a valuable signing. .

Ice one need guys who understand what is needed in 450 class, and have been a factory rider themselves IMO.


He cannot carry the development of a new bike on his own.

Watson worked with Febvre a lot at Yamaha, and he tested a fair few parts , Vlaanderen was at HRC and has enough about him to get that Gebben bike into the top 10.

Stevie.b2288 wrote:

Interesting in watsons last interview he said if he had the time again he would do it different. He specifically mention he had no trainer and...

Interesting in watsons last interview he said if he had the time again he would do it different. He specifically mention he had no trainer and thought that was a mistake. Its a crazy idea but thought it would be good if he had someone like TS100 just like he had Jamie dobb. Think some one in his corner giving him advice would be good.

Also mentioned that he didn’t really make any changes with the bike. Hopefully if he gets the kawi ride he’s given the opportunity and full support for what he wants then I think he could be really fast. I was most impressed by his starts this year as his gate picks were terrible from poor qualifying. Do think he needs to improve there but does show he’s a great starter.

Also think people forget to quick especially Yamaha as he was top mx1 guy at MXON poor from Yamaha IMO.

Stevie.b2288 wrote:

Interesting in watsons last interview he said if he had the time again he would do it different. He specifically mention he had no trainer and...

Interesting in watsons last interview he said if he had the time again he would do it different. He specifically mention he had no trainer and thought that was a mistake. Its a crazy idea but thought it would be good if he had someone like TS100 just like he had Jamie dobb. Think some one in his corner giving him advice would be good.

Also mentioned that he didn’t really make any changes with the bike. Hopefully if he gets the kawi ride he’s given the opportunity and full support for what he wants then I think he could be really fast. I was most impressed by his starts this year as his gate picks were terrible from poor qualifying. Do think he needs to improve there but does show he’s a great starter.

Also think people forget to quick especially Yamaha as he was top mx1 guy at MXON poor from Yamaha IMO.

philG wrote:

For me, if you are on a factory team, you shouldnt need to be paying your own guy , the Factory Yamaha set up was big...

For me, if you are on a factory team, you shouldnt need to be paying your own guy , the Factory Yamaha set up was big enough for them to have someone .

There is a reason Dobb isnt in the paddock any more, he was a parasite that fucked over more guys than he helped,

He got found out, and good thing too.

The 'Covid' life has screwed Ben's chances big time, because with a condensed schedule, and no qualy races. and very few weekends off to do nationals, making changes is a difficult thing to do .... the golden rule with any changes , is to always start with what you know, then try what you you want to try , else you get lost, which we have seen over and over.

Like i have said before , he worked with Vimond at Yamaha, and was working with Febvre already.and the family is known to Kimi from when Nathan raced for them, i genuinely think he can be a contender , he has 8 years left in him easily. .

Stevie.b2288 wrote:

Interesting in watsons last interview he said if he had the time again he would do it different. He specifically mention he had no trainer and...

Interesting in watsons last interview he said if he had the time again he would do it different. He specifically mention he had no trainer and thought that was a mistake. Its a crazy idea but thought it would be good if he had someone like TS100 just like he had Jamie dobb. Think some one in his corner giving him advice would be good.

Also mentioned that he didn’t really make any changes with the bike. Hopefully if he gets the kawi ride he’s given the opportunity and full support for what he wants then I think he could be really fast. I was most impressed by his starts this year as his gate picks were terrible from poor qualifying. Do think he needs to improve there but does show he’s a great starter.

Also think people forget to quick especially Yamaha as he was top mx1 guy at MXON poor from Yamaha IMO.

philG wrote:

For me, if you are on a factory team, you shouldnt need to be paying your own guy , the Factory Yamaha set up was big...

For me, if you are on a factory team, you shouldnt need to be paying your own guy , the Factory Yamaha set up was big enough for them to have someone .

There is a reason Dobb isnt in the paddock any more, he was a parasite that fucked over more guys than he helped,

He got found out, and good thing too.

The 'Covid' life has screwed Ben's chances big time, because with a condensed schedule, and no qualy races. and very few weekends off to do nationals, making changes is a difficult thing to do .... the golden rule with any changes , is to always start with what you know, then try what you you want to try , else you get lost, which we have seen over and over.

Like i have said before , he worked with Vimond at Yamaha, and was working with Febvre already.and the family is known to Kimi from when Nathan raced for them, i genuinely think he can be a contender , he has 8 years left in him easily. .

Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:

What did Dobb do exactly?

philG wrote:

Didnt Horgmo already ride MX2 and srop back to EMX? Seen nohing that will say he will be any better this time.

roninho wrote:

I love how there is nothing to see with Horgmo that says he will do better this time. Or that Boisrame knows nothing. But Watson had...

I love how there is nothing to see with Horgmo that says he will do better this time.
Or that Boisrame knows nothing.

But Watson had a hard time adjusting due to the covid schedule & should get a ride.

Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:

What did Dobb do exactly?

philG wrote:

From what i heard, not telling riders of offers, pretty sure Anstie was one of those, and there were others too. Doing deals that were best...

From what i heard, not telling riders of offers, pretty sure Anstie was one of those, and there were others too.

Doing deals that were best for him and not the rider.

Aledgedly .

roninho wrote:

I love how there is nothing to see with Horgmo that says he will do better this time. Or that Boisrame knows nothing. But Watson had...

I love how there is nothing to see with Horgmo that says he will do better this time.
Or that Boisrame knows nothing.

But Watson had a hard time adjusting due to the covid schedule & should get a ride.

philG wrote:

Horgmo went to MX2 and had to go back to EMX250... and then still didnt win. Boisrame cant lead a team developing a bike when he...

Horgmo went to MX2 and had to go back to EMX250... and then still didnt win.

Boisrame cant lead a team developing a bike when he has no 450 experience, other than 5 races in 3 weeks.

Watson and Olsen both had to move classes , boith of them are better racers than qualifiers. and the lack of qualy races favoured the guys that can hang off it for one lap, over those that can ride their way to the front.


I guess i wont comment on JWR wasting a bike on Pootjes then, else you will get the arse.

roninho wrote:

Lets just say we agree on Pootjes (he must be bringing money otherwise i dont understand jwr) and disagree on the rest 😃

philG wrote:

Respect mate... But they are facts, whether you think they are valid, is your opinion. I think its fair to say , that without Vialle's injury...

Respect mate... But they are facts, whether you think they are valid, is your opinion.

I think its fair to say , that without Vialle's injury giving Renaux a big break , and ICE ONE and Husqvarna splitting , only Vlaanderen would be looking for a ride, Watson and Olsen would have been retained, and i could easily see Vlaanderen getting AJ's ride... but the sport can be fickle for sure.

And both guys would have done far better with more track time , over 2 days.

Where we had multiple races at one track, we saw that they were better, like Watson in Trentino.

The 1 day format in AMA has also screwed Anstie over as well, i think, it takes away so much relevant bike time.

As for Pootjes,like Brian Hsu, his career ( or lack of one) is a mystery to me.

And i put both of those in the same category as Conrad Mewse... too much too young .

Can you honestly say that sitting here 12 weeks away from the 2022 season, that those 3 have won nothing , based on where they were on 85's or even come close.

All 3 had amazing natural talent as kids, but as of yet , we havent seen it delivered at the highest levels.

Going through a few old results , you do get reminded of a few more, and also , others that looked like they were not quite there, who did make it.


If Pootjes can deliver that promise on a 450, then fair play to him, but he never struck me as a guy that was going to better on a bigger bike. .

And F&H only running i 250 tells me they are fed up with spending huge money, and not even getting close to a win, will they run a second 450?

philG wrote:

Respect mate... But they are facts, whether you think they are valid, is your opinion. I think its fair to say , that without Vialle's injury...

Respect mate... But they are facts, whether you think they are valid, is your opinion.

I think its fair to say , that without Vialle's injury giving Renaux a big break , and ICE ONE and Husqvarna splitting , only Vlaanderen would be looking for a ride, Watson and Olsen would have been retained, and i could easily see Vlaanderen getting AJ's ride... but the sport can be fickle for sure.

And both guys would have done far better with more track time , over 2 days.

Where we had multiple races at one track, we saw that they were better, like Watson in Trentino.

The 1 day format in AMA has also screwed Anstie over as well, i think, it takes away so much relevant bike time.

As for Pootjes,like Brian Hsu, his career ( or lack of one) is a mystery to me.

And i put both of those in the same category as Conrad Mewse... too much too young .

Can you honestly say that sitting here 12 weeks away from the 2022 season, that those 3 have won nothing , based on where they were on 85's or even come close.

All 3 had amazing natural talent as kids, but as of yet , we havent seen it delivered at the highest levels.

Going through a few old results , you do get reminded of a few more, and also , others that looked like they were not quite there, who did make it.


If Pootjes can deliver that promise on a 450, then fair play to him, but he never struck me as a guy that was going to better on a bigger bike. .

And F&H only running i 250 tells me they are fed up with spending huge money, and not even getting close to a win, will they run a second 450?

THE mx addict wrote:

Concerning team F&H, and their plan for 2022, if you ask me, it shows lack of support from Kawasaki Japan... Nothing new, but not the evolution...

Concerning team F&H, and their plan for 2022, if you ask me, it shows lack of support from Kawasaki Japan... Nothing new, but not the evolution everybody was expecting...

philG wrote:

Respect mate... But they are facts, whether you think they are valid, is your opinion. I think its fair to say , that without Vialle's injury...

Respect mate... But they are facts, whether you think they are valid, is your opinion.

I think its fair to say , that without Vialle's injury giving Renaux a big break , and ICE ONE and Husqvarna splitting , only Vlaanderen would be looking for a ride, Watson and Olsen would have been retained, and i could easily see Vlaanderen getting AJ's ride... but the sport can be fickle for sure.

And both guys would have done far better with more track time , over 2 days.

Where we had multiple races at one track, we saw that they were better, like Watson in Trentino.

The 1 day format in AMA has also screwed Anstie over as well, i think, it takes away so much relevant bike time.

As for Pootjes,like Brian Hsu, his career ( or lack of one) is a mystery to me.

And i put both of those in the same category as Conrad Mewse... too much too young .

Can you honestly say that sitting here 12 weeks away from the 2022 season, that those 3 have won nothing , based on where they were on 85's or even come close.

All 3 had amazing natural talent as kids, but as of yet , we havent seen it delivered at the highest levels.

Going through a few old results , you do get reminded of a few more, and also , others that looked like they were not quite there, who did make it.


If Pootjes can deliver that promise on a 450, then fair play to him, but he never struck me as a guy that was going to better on a bigger bike. .

And F&H only running i 250 tells me they are fed up with spending huge money, and not even getting close to a win, will they run a second 450?

EnvyMedia wrote:

What is a mystery about Pootjes? He just gets struck by injury after injury. Nearly lost his arm last year. He’s the #1 example of promising...

What is a mystery about Pootjes? He just gets struck by injury after injury. Nearly lost his arm last year. He’s the #1 example of promising fast speed ridden with bad luck and injuries.

THE mx addict wrote:

Concerning team F&H, and their plan for 2022, if you ask me, it shows lack of support from Kawasaki Japan... Nothing new, but not the evolution...

Concerning team F&H, and their plan for 2022, if you ask me, it shows lack of support from Kawasaki Japan... Nothing new, but not the evolution everybody was expecting...

roninho wrote:

I cannot imagine that Kawasak would spend much to have Horgmo and Beaton in MX2 and MXGP. Don't get me wrong i like it very much...

I cannot imagine that Kawasak would spend much to have Horgmo and Beaton in MX2 and MXGP. Don't get me wrong i like it very much for both riders and i get the impression from Marc de Reuver that there is a lot of new energy in the team, so that's great. But yeah Kawa isnt getting podiums with these guys.

philG wrote:

Respect mate... But they are facts, whether you think they are valid, is your opinion. I think its fair to say , that without Vialle's injury...

Respect mate... But they are facts, whether you think they are valid, is your opinion.

I think its fair to say , that without Vialle's injury giving Renaux a big break , and ICE ONE and Husqvarna splitting , only Vlaanderen would be looking for a ride, Watson and Olsen would have been retained, and i could easily see Vlaanderen getting AJ's ride... but the sport can be fickle for sure.

And both guys would have done far better with more track time , over 2 days.

Where we had multiple races at one track, we saw that they were better, like Watson in Trentino.

The 1 day format in AMA has also screwed Anstie over as well, i think, it takes away so much relevant bike time.

As for Pootjes,like Brian Hsu, his career ( or lack of one) is a mystery to me.

And i put both of those in the same category as Conrad Mewse... too much too young .

Can you honestly say that sitting here 12 weeks away from the 2022 season, that those 3 have won nothing , based on where they were on 85's or even come close.

All 3 had amazing natural talent as kids, but as of yet , we havent seen it delivered at the highest levels.

Going through a few old results , you do get reminded of a few more, and also , others that looked like they were not quite there, who did make it.


If Pootjes can deliver that promise on a 450, then fair play to him, but he never struck me as a guy that was going to better on a bigger bike. .

And F&H only running i 250 tells me they are fed up with spending huge money, and not even getting close to a win, will they run a second 450?

EnvyMedia wrote:

What is a mystery about Pootjes? He just gets struck by injury after injury. Nearly lost his arm last year. He’s the #1 example of promising...

What is a mystery about Pootjes? He just gets struck by injury after injury. Nearly lost his arm last year. He’s the #1 example of promising fast speed ridden with bad luck and injuries.

tek14 wrote:

What i heard years ago when he was hot prospect that he didnt put work in and it was always bike or something that was wrong...

What i heard years ago when he was hot prospect that he didnt put work in and it was always bike or something that was wrong. Maybe injuries were part of that road when you are not there but try to push harder? Personally did see him couple times years ago at practice track just cruising couple laps and then back to pit but who knows maybe there was injury they didnt tell. Im happy to be wrong and see him doing good next year.

THE mx addict wrote:

Concerning team F&H, and their plan for 2022, if you ask me, it shows lack of support from Kawasaki Japan... Nothing new, but not the evolution...

Concerning team F&H, and their plan for 2022, if you ask me, it shows lack of support from Kawasaki Japan... Nothing new, but not the evolution everybody was expecting...

roninho wrote:

I cannot imagine that Kawasak would spend much to have Horgmo and Beaton in MX2 and MXGP. Don't get me wrong i like it very much...

I cannot imagine that Kawasak would spend much to have Horgmo and Beaton in MX2 and MXGP. Don't get me wrong i like it very much for both riders and i get the impression from Marc de Reuver that there is a lot of new energy in the team, so that's great. But yeah Kawa isnt getting podiums with these guys.

Cortami79 wrote:

They could have gone another route. It's not that money is an issue over there. Anyways, maybe they see upcoming year as a rebuild year for...

They could have gone another route. It's not that money is an issue over there. Anyways, maybe they see upcoming year as a rebuild year for the team.. I don't know. Its pretty hard to battle the factory KTM's and Yamaha's at this point.

Boomslang wrote:

Spare a thought for Calvin Vlaanderen. He had just got home to Cape Town to spend a little time with his family. I stand to be...

Spare a thought for Calvin Vlaanderen. He had just got home to Cape Town to spend a little time with his family. I stand to be corrected but he only had like a day or so here before having to make a hasty departure before the border closed....all courtesy of this new strain of Virus.

Boomslang wrote:

Spare a thought for Calvin Vlaanderen. He had just got home to Cape Town to spend a little time with his family. I stand to be...

Spare a thought for Calvin Vlaanderen. He had just got home to Cape Town to spend a little time with his family. I stand to be corrected but he only had like a day or so here before having to make a hasty departure before the border closed....all courtesy of this new strain of Virus.

themac100 wrote:

I thought he was now “Dutch”

Boomslang wrote:

Spare a thought for Calvin Vlaanderen. He had just got home to Cape Town to spend a little time with his family. I stand to be...

Spare a thought for Calvin Vlaanderen. He had just got home to Cape Town to spend a little time with his family. I stand to be corrected but he only had like a day or so here before having to make a hasty departure before the border closed....all courtesy of this new strain of Virus.

themac100 wrote:

I thought he was now “Dutch”

Boomslang wrote:

Not sure about that but he could have been stuck here because of the travel restrictions that have been put in place. The decision to get...

Not sure about that but he could have been stuck here because of the travel restrictions that have been put in place. The decision to get back to the Nederlands as quickly as possible was the right choice.

THE mx addict wrote:

There were rumors in Paris SX pits which said Lupino will eventually take the second spot on team Ice One Kawasaki...