So only 1 American

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Actually, I'm surprised that Rattray hasn't won a moto yet.
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got this of MX Large webste

The limit for minimum age for MX2 is 15 years and starts at the riders’ birthday; the limit for the maximum age finishes at the end of the calendar year in which the MX2 rider reaches the age of 23 years

Will we see an influx of US teen talent heading to Europe
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CamP wrote:
Actually, I'm surprised that Rattray hasn't won a moto yet.
Im not surprised he hasn't won a moto, but I am surprised he hasn't been running closer to the front. On a pro circuit bike I was expecting him to out race Searle at least, maybe switching series aswell as bikes has been a bigger deal that he was prepared for.
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The problem with your reasoning is that they are by all accounts Americans now. That is what is so unique about us, we all came from...
The problem with your reasoning is that they are by all accounts Americans now. That is what is so unique about us, we all came from somewhere else, but are held together by the common bond that we are now American. That is what the 4th of July is about. Putting aside the differences of where you come from and celebrating the fact that all people within our boarders get to enjoy the same great freedoms and endless opportunity available to them.
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Yep, CP,Searle,Rat & Metty have all become great Americans. I cannot believe that the Euro&GP fans are not bitter about losing such great riders to our...
Yep, CP,Searle,Rat & Metty have all become great Americans.
I cannot believe that the Euro&GP fans are not bitter about losing such great riders to our American series.
Its a shame, but we're not bitter really. There is always more emerging talent coming through; Mattis Karro, Ken Roczen, Marvin Musquin etc etc.

So we wish them well, enjoy watching them compete in the US series and smile to ourselves when the more cynical American fans start to stand up and take notice...

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UpTiTe wrote:
well in all honesty the euros are all vets cherry picking except Searle. Tyla Rattray 25 former world champ Christophe Pourcel 22 former world champ Brett...
well in all honesty the euros are all vets cherry picking except Searle.

Tyla Rattray 25 former world champ
Christophe Pourcel 22 former world champ
Brett Metcaf 25 ran in the top 3 how many years?
Tommy Searle 20 # 2 in the world last year.

Look at the Americans,

Jake weimer is the oldest American at 22.
The rest of the fast Americans are 19 or younger. 3 of the Amercans that have beat the Euros are rookies.

If those guys werent cherry picking I seriously doubt 3 of those guys even smell the top 5.

So basically by your own admission, if 3 of the American rookies have been able to beat the "Euro's" they are all perfectly capable of racing on the same level as them.

This age thing is bullshit. Tommy Searle only just turned 20 last month, Pourcel is still 21 and missed an entire season through injury and Tyla Rattray is 24. These riders have only ever ridden the MX2 class which until just recently was never really classified by age over here. Why would they want to move to the states AND move up to 450's?

I suppose you could say a 28 year old Mike Brown "cherry picked" the British 125 championship in 2000. But we just saw him as a great rider and respected his achievement. I guess at 37 he's still "cherry picking", only this time it was to 7th overall at Glen Helen.
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mccread 7/5/2009 7:53am
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The GP series produces most of the best riders in the word right now it must be a tough pill to swallow on independance weekend. Only 1 american in the top 5 of the World and American series... o dear ... while France lead both they have the best mx2 riders in the world right now.
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prozach wrote:
The problem with your reasoning is that they are by all accounts Americans now. That is what is so unique about us, we all came from...
The problem with your reasoning is that they are by all accounts Americans now. That is what is so unique about us, we all came from somewhere else, but are held together by the common bond that we are now American. That is what the 4th of July is about. Putting aside the differences of where you come from and celebrating the fact that all people within our boarders get to enjoy the same great freedoms and endless opportunity available to them.
FastEddy wrote:
Yep, CP,Searle,Rat & Metty have all become great Americans. I cannot believe that the Euro&GP fans are not bitter about losing such great riders to our...
Yep, CP,Searle,Rat & Metty have all become great Americans.
I cannot believe that the Euro&GP fans are not bitter about losing such great riders to our American series.
becasue most of the top riders stay in the GPs and many young guys are coming through... Phillipearts, Cairoli, Barragan, Desalle, Strijbos, Ramon, Coppins, Frossard, Roczen, Simpson, Goncalves, Paulin, Musquin, De Dycker, Leok, De Ruever, Mackenzie, Guaneri, Boog, Aubin plus guys like Charlier and Herlings coming though. only a limited % go to the US most stay. If all the guy went over there would not be many americans in the top 20. and its good that a couple go over it shows are competitive the GPs are when they go over and run at the front straight away in a foreign national series, and the GPs just produce more riders behind them of that speed. It is no wonder the Americans are scared to race the world championship when they struggle to beat the GP boys in their back yard.
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In the top five for the season points in the 250F class. What was that about the Euro's having nothing for the American kids again? Happy...
In the top five for the season points in the 250F class.

What was that about the Euro's having nothing for the American kids again?

Happy 4th of July everyone.
The euros are quite fast and should be up top in our farm system. Step up too the big boy class and talk.
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prozach wrote:
The problem with your reasoning is that they are by all accounts Americans now. That is what is so unique about us, we all came from...
The problem with your reasoning is that they are by all accounts Americans now. That is what is so unique about us, we all came from somewhere else, but are held together by the common bond that we are now American. That is what the 4th of July is about. Putting aside the differences of where you come from and celebrating the fact that all people within our boarders get to enjoy the same great freedoms and endless opportunity available to them.
FastEddy wrote:
Yep, CP,Searle,Rat & Metty have all become great Americans. I cannot believe that the Euro&GP fans are not bitter about losing such great riders to our...
Yep, CP,Searle,Rat & Metty have all become great Americans.
I cannot believe that the Euro&GP fans are not bitter about losing such great riders to our American series.
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becasue most of the top riders stay in the GPs and many young guys are coming through... Phillipearts, Cairoli, Barragan, Desalle, Strijbos, Ramon, Coppins, Frossard, Roczen...
becasue most of the top riders stay in the GPs and many young guys are coming through... Phillipearts, Cairoli, Barragan, Desalle, Strijbos, Ramon, Coppins, Frossard, Roczen, Simpson, Goncalves, Paulin, Musquin, De Dycker, Leok, De Ruever, Mackenzie, Guaneri, Boog, Aubin plus guys like Charlier and Herlings coming though. only a limited % go to the US most stay. If all the guy went over there would not be many americans in the top 20. and its good that a couple go over it shows are competitive the GPs are when they go over and run at the front straight away in a foreign national series, and the GPs just produce more riders behind them of that speed. It is no wonder the Americans are scared to race the world championship when they struggle to beat the GP boys in their back yard.
I seen a lot of those guys at MXDN. You're right there were not many Americans in the top 20, only about 3.
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UpTiTe wrote:
well in all honesty the euros are all vets cherry picking except Searle. Tyla Rattray 25 former world champ Christophe Pourcel 22 former world champ Brett...
well in all honesty the euros are all vets cherry picking except Searle.

Tyla Rattray 25 former world champ
Christophe Pourcel 22 former world champ
Brett Metcaf 25 ran in the top 3 how many years?
Tommy Searle 20 # 2 in the world last year.

Look at the Americans,

Jake weimer is the oldest American at 22.
The rest of the fast Americans are 19 or younger. 3 of the Amercans that have beat the Euros are rookies.

If those guys werent cherry picking I seriously doubt 3 of those guys even smell the top 5.

jamma10 wrote:
So basically by your own admission, if 3 of the American rookies have been able to beat the "Euro's" they are all perfectly capable of racing...
So basically by your own admission, if 3 of the American rookies have been able to beat the "Euro's" they are all perfectly capable of racing on the same level as them.

This age thing is bullshit. Tommy Searle only just turned 20 last month, Pourcel is still 21 and missed an entire season through injury and Tyla Rattray is 24. These riders have only ever ridden the MX2 class which until just recently was never really classified by age over here. Why would they want to move to the states AND move up to 450's?

I suppose you could say a 28 year old Mike Brown "cherry picked" the British 125 championship in 2000. But we just saw him as a great rider and respected his achievement. I guess at 37 he's still "cherry picking", only this time it was to 7th overall at Glen Helen.
How would Roczen do if those guys were still there? Would age and the few years they have on him be a factor?

MX2, even in the GP's is much more competition than LL's. Or maybe he's pointing out that unlike the GP boys here now, the US rookies capable of running with the FIM riders were competing with amateur riders last year and not the "best in the world"
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Pourcel is the shit, I'd personally rather see him kick our asses, then to never have watched him ride in person.

Searle and Rattray got experience and consistency on our guys... that's it, How many times has Barcia, wharton, and Canard caught those guys and left them behind??,...other way around...not so many!
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American's are scarred to race the GP's? Why would they go overseas when the fastest riders and most money are here? Same reason many of your GP guys don't come here, they are making a good paycheck to race near home. Its funny how its the "world" against the USA. All you guys from all these different countries all team up as one and count yourselves as one country. If you wanna compare, lets go country against country. How much talent has come out of the USA compared to each of your countries?

I give credit to the guys that have come over here and have nothing but respect for them. They are not scared to put themselves against the best win or lose. Ask any of them if they feel the 450 class in SX or MX over here is the toughest. If they didn't feel that way, they would have continued doing the GP's making a good paycheck instead of coming over here and often making less money and having to adapt to a different lifestyle.

Top 5 in the 250 class is a good accomplishment, no doubt, but its not the premier class. Plus the season is not even near over.
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Rooster wrote:
In the top five for the season points in the 250F class. What was that about the Euro's having nothing for the American kids again? Happy...
In the top five for the season points in the 250F class.

What was that about the Euro's having nothing for the American kids again?

Happy 4th of July everyone.
I disagree. Most of the people I was talking to before the championship (including DCool seemed to think Rattray was going to wax the guys in the 250 class.

Look through the Racerheads from before the Nationals started and you'll see it.
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didnt reed rock are nations colors this weekend?
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I don't know if he rocked anything, but he wore red, white and blue which they said repeatedly are the colors of the Australian flag too.
UpTiTe 7/5/2009 11:41am
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UpTiTe wrote:
well in all honesty the euros are all vets cherry picking except Searle. Tyla Rattray 25 former world champ Christophe Pourcel 22 former world champ Brett...
well in all honesty the euros are all vets cherry picking except Searle.

Tyla Rattray 25 former world champ
Christophe Pourcel 22 former world champ
Brett Metcaf 25 ran in the top 3 how many years?
Tommy Searle 20 # 2 in the world last year.

Look at the Americans,

Jake weimer is the oldest American at 22.
The rest of the fast Americans are 19 or younger. 3 of the Amercans that have beat the Euros are rookies.

If those guys werent cherry picking I seriously doubt 3 of those guys even smell the top 5.

jamma10 wrote:
So basically by your own admission, if 3 of the American rookies have been able to beat the "Euro's" they are all perfectly capable of racing...
So basically by your own admission, if 3 of the American rookies have been able to beat the "Euro's" they are all perfectly capable of racing on the same level as them.

This age thing is bullshit. Tommy Searle only just turned 20 last month, Pourcel is still 21 and missed an entire season through injury and Tyla Rattray is 24. These riders have only ever ridden the MX2 class which until just recently was never really classified by age over here. Why would they want to move to the states AND move up to 450's?

I suppose you could say a 28 year old Mike Brown "cherry picked" the British 125 championship in 2000. But we just saw him as a great rider and respected his achievement. I guess at 37 he's still "cherry picking", only this time it was to 7th overall at Glen Helen.
Youre totally missing what I am saying, if youre going to rub in that the euros are beating the Americans, then you better put it out there how much older and expiernced they are.

Speed doesnt equat consistentcy, age and experience does. I would put my money for one moto on Barcia over the euros, but a whole series, no.

Get what I am saying now?
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Ultramatic 7/5/2009 11:44am
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UpTiTe wrote:
well in all honesty the euros are all vets cherry picking except Searle. Tyla Rattray 25 former world champ Christophe Pourcel 22 former world champ Brett...
well in all honesty the euros are all vets cherry picking except Searle.

Tyla Rattray 25 former world champ
Christophe Pourcel 22 former world champ
Brett Metcaf 25 ran in the top 3 how many years?
Tommy Searle 20 # 2 in the world last year.

Look at the Americans,

Jake weimer is the oldest American at 22.
The rest of the fast Americans are 19 or younger. 3 of the Amercans that have beat the Euros are rookies.

If those guys werent cherry picking I seriously doubt 3 of those guys even smell the top 5.

jamma10 wrote:
So basically by your own admission, if 3 of the American rookies have been able to beat the "Euro's" they are all perfectly capable of racing...
So basically by your own admission, if 3 of the American rookies have been able to beat the "Euro's" they are all perfectly capable of racing on the same level as them.

This age thing is bullshit. Tommy Searle only just turned 20 last month, Pourcel is still 21 and missed an entire season through injury and Tyla Rattray is 24. These riders have only ever ridden the MX2 class which until just recently was never really classified by age over here. Why would they want to move to the states AND move up to 450's?

I suppose you could say a 28 year old Mike Brown "cherry picked" the British 125 championship in 2000. But we just saw him as a great rider and respected his achievement. I guess at 37 he's still "cherry picking", only this time it was to 7th overall at Glen Helen.
UpTiTe wrote:
Youre totally missing what I am saying, if youre going to rub in that the euros are beating the Americans, then you better put it out...
Youre totally missing what I am saying, if youre going to rub in that the euros are beating the Americans, then you better put it out there how much older and expiernced they are.

Speed doesnt equat consistentcy, age and experience does. I would put my money for one moto on Barcia over the euros, but a whole series, no.

Get what I am saying now?
You are missing the point of you being wrong.
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I don't know if he rocked anything, but he wore red, white and blue which they said repeatedly are the colors of the Australian flag too.
Reed wore those colors out of respect. He is living out his dream in the US and feels he needs to repect our ways, he loves the US and everything about it. That guy is more patriotic then most citizens and is trying everything to get the respect of the American fans, while most continue to shit on him.

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He also said it was always a dream as a kid to come to America to race. The GP's are good, but the top tier racing is the US Nationals. Why else would so many World Champions come here to race?
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jamma10 wrote:
So basically by your own admission, if 3 of the American rookies have been able to beat the "Euro's" they are all perfectly capable of racing...
So basically by your own admission, if 3 of the American rookies have been able to beat the "Euro's" they are all perfectly capable of racing on the same level as them.

This age thing is bullshit. Tommy Searle only just turned 20 last month, Pourcel is still 21 and missed an entire season through injury and Tyla Rattray is 24. These riders have only ever ridden the MX2 class which until just recently was never really classified by age over here. Why would they want to move to the states AND move up to 450's?

I suppose you could say a 28 year old Mike Brown "cherry picked" the British 125 championship in 2000. But we just saw him as a great rider and respected his achievement. I guess at 37 he's still "cherry picking", only this time it was to 7th overall at Glen Helen.
UpTiTe wrote:
Youre totally missing what I am saying, if youre going to rub in that the euros are beating the Americans, then you better put it out...
Youre totally missing what I am saying, if youre going to rub in that the euros are beating the Americans, then you better put it out there how much older and expiernced they are.

Speed doesnt equat consistentcy, age and experience does. I would put my money for one moto on Barcia over the euros, but a whole series, no.

Get what I am saying now?
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You are missing the point of you being wrong.
What point is he wrong on, I would say he is spot on.
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UpTiTe wrote:
Youre totally missing what I am saying, if youre going to rub in that the euros are beating the Americans, then you better put it out...
Youre totally missing what I am saying, if youre going to rub in that the euros are beating the Americans, then you better put it out there how much older and expiernced they are.

Speed doesnt equat consistentcy, age and experience does. I would put my money for one moto on Barcia over the euros, but a whole series, no.

Get what I am saying now?
Ultramatic wrote:
You are missing the point of you being wrong.
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What point is he wrong on, I would say he is spot on.
I would take Pourcel in anything over anyone in any circumstance. Barcia hasn't even won a moto and people are crowning him the next RC. He is great to watch but he is highly inconsistent.
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Ultramatic wrote:
You are missing the point of you being wrong.
DMG wrote:
What point is he wrong on, I would say he is spot on.
Ultramatic wrote:
I would take Pourcel in anything over anyone in any circumstance. Barcia hasn't even won a moto and people are crowning him the next RC. He...
I would take Pourcel in anything over anyone in any circumstance. Barcia hasn't even won a moto and people are crowning him the next RC. He is great to watch but he is highly inconsistent.
Wow the great DMG has agreed with me.

Yea, I admit when I am wrong, Pourcels is a great rider no doubt, but you cant deny Barcias pure speed. When that kid gets his act going, he will own.
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DMG wrote:
What point is he wrong on, I would say he is spot on.
Ultramatic wrote:
I would take Pourcel in anything over anyone in any circumstance. Barcia hasn't even won a moto and people are crowning him the next RC. He...
I would take Pourcel in anything over anyone in any circumstance. Barcia hasn't even won a moto and people are crowning him the next RC. He is great to watch but he is highly inconsistent.
UpTiTe wrote:
Wow the great DMG has agreed with me. Yea, I admit when I am wrong, Pourcels is a great rider no doubt, but you cant deny...
Wow the great DMG has agreed with me.

Yea, I admit when I am wrong, Pourcels is a great rider no doubt, but you cant deny Barcias pure speed. When that kid gets his act going, he will own.
So Pourcel doesn't have pure speed?
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Ultramatic wrote:
I would take Pourcel in anything over anyone in any circumstance. Barcia hasn't even won a moto and people are crowning him the next RC. He...
I would take Pourcel in anything over anyone in any circumstance. Barcia hasn't even won a moto and people are crowning him the next RC. He is great to watch but he is highly inconsistent.
UpTiTe wrote:
Wow the great DMG has agreed with me. Yea, I admit when I am wrong, Pourcels is a great rider no doubt, but you cant deny...
Wow the great DMG has agreed with me.

Yea, I admit when I am wrong, Pourcels is a great rider no doubt, but you cant deny Barcias pure speed. When that kid gets his act going, he will own.
Ultramatic wrote:
So Pourcel doesn't have pure speed?
Never mind, clearly you dont get it.
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UpTiTe wrote:
Wow the great DMG has agreed with me. Yea, I admit when I am wrong, Pourcels is a great rider no doubt, but you cant deny...
Wow the great DMG has agreed with me.

Yea, I admit when I am wrong, Pourcels is a great rider no doubt, but you cant deny Barcias pure speed. When that kid gets his act going, he will own.
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So Pourcel doesn't have pure speed?
UpTiTe wrote:
Never mind, clearly you dont get it.
What is it that I don't get?
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I don't know if he rocked anything, but he wore red, white and blue which they said repeatedly are the colors of the Australian flag too.
The big differences are that a) Australia's competition colors are green and yellow - they don't wear the colors of their flag for patriotism, but rather green and yellow - and b) it was the Fourth of July. He wore the American colors because he's proud to be here living the dream he had when he was a kid, and even said during the press conference that he may not ever move back home, or something to that effect.

Give him some credit.
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So Mitch Peyton hires GP riders over Americans because they are slower than Americans ??? Get real !! KTM give Searle the national ride over an American because an American would be faster ??? These Kids are hired, not just turning up from across the pond, and hired because the teams believe they are better than anyone else available !! END OF !
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In the top five for the season points in the 250F class. What was that about the Euro's having nothing for the American kids again? Happy...
In the top five for the season points in the 250F class.

What was that about the Euro's having nothing for the American kids again?

Happy 4th of July everyone.
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I agree Rooster but that is all I will say. If I say any more some on here will start calling me an American hater.
Those euro's are riding good but they ALL are on the highest level of factory 250f equipment and (with the exception of a few) are also very seasoined racers from the GP circuit. Now racing against a bunch of teenagers that just turned pro. While you can't call them sandbaggers because of the AMA rule about riders new to the circuit are supposed to start out in the 250f class they do have a leg up on the Amercan kids and that's why theyu have the majority of the Factory level equipment. The proving point will be when they get to the 450's and that track record hasn't been a very good one to many of them
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So Mitch Peyton hires GP riders over Americans because they are slower than Americans ??? Get real !! KTM give Searle the national ride over an...
So Mitch Peyton hires GP riders over Americans because they are slower than Americans ??? Get real !! KTM give Searle the national ride over an American because an American would be faster ??? These Kids are hired, not just turning up from across the pond, and hired because the teams believe they are better than anyone else available !! END OF !
You said it. PC hired Pourcel and Rattray because they are proven winners and the best Americans moved up to the 450's or were already contracted to other teams. Mitch doesn't like to lose and if that means hiring world champions from across the pond, that's what he'll do. Searle got the nod to race the US Nationals because he was the best 250F rider that KTM had, and once again, no better riders were available.

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Rooster wrote:
In the top five for the season points in the 250F class. What was that about the Euro's having nothing for the American kids again? Happy...
In the top five for the season points in the 250F class.

What was that about the Euro's having nothing for the American kids again?

Happy 4th of July everyone.
Actually, it was usually Euros having nothing for the best in our country...which they don't.

Get your head out of your ass, for once.

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