Looked like it hung wide open

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Mr. Afterbar 8/16/2021 3:53am
8/16/2021 3:53am
Saw it happen from right across the track in the mechanics area. The sound when he hit was frightening. Glad he’s ok.
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Pink 8/16/2021 3:59am
8/16/2021 3:59am
Looks like he broke his rear......... fender.
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Dirty Points 8/16/2021 7:43am
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ktmwoods wrote:
Love AP for being as real as it gets in this sport. American badass.
SilverSpurs wrote:
LOL. Get real. Being 'real' would include Plessinger giving a reasonably detailed explanation of why he crashed in such an unusual manner, not ignoring the [machine...
LOL. Get real.

Being 'real' would include Plessinger giving a reasonably detailed explanation of why he crashed in such an unusual manner, not ignoring the [machine failure?] elephant in the room.


Saying; "happy with my riding" lets the cat out of the bag.
chump6784 wrote:
AP said in that video he landed in a hole which jarred his hand and caused him to go wide open. If that's the truth and...
AP said in that video he landed in a hole which jarred his hand and caused him to go wide open. If that's the truth and you don't want to believe it nothing AP says will convince you otherwise. If it was a mechanical failure neither AP or Star will ever say
AP: "whiskeyed after landing really hard."
Vital: "why won't he just say what happened?"
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SilverSpurs 8/16/2021 8:04am
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SilverSpurs wrote:
LOL. Get real. Being 'real' would include Plessinger giving a reasonably detailed explanation of why he crashed in such an unusual manner, not ignoring the [machine...
LOL. Get real.

Being 'real' would include Plessinger giving a reasonably detailed explanation of why he crashed in such an unusual manner, not ignoring the [machine failure?] elephant in the room.


Saying; "happy with my riding" lets the cat out of the bag.
chump6784 wrote:
AP said in that video he landed in a hole which jarred his hand and caused him to go wide open. If that's the truth and...
AP said in that video he landed in a hole which jarred his hand and caused him to go wide open. If that's the truth and you don't want to believe it nothing AP says will convince you otherwise. If it was a mechanical failure neither AP or Star will ever say
Dirty Points wrote:
AP: "whiskeyed after landing really hard."
Vital: "why won't he just say what happened?"
There you have it.

A man cannot watch every post race report.

Glad he's ok.
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Dirty Points 8/16/2021 8:23am
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SilverSpurs wrote:
There you have it.

A man cannot watch every post race report.

Glad he's ok.
?

The "landed in a hole which jarred my hand" video was in the post to which you were responding...
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Kawboy14! 8/16/2021 8:31am
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Looked like a rider malfunction to me
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Factory 450s have lots of power
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felpro wrote:
My observation: He was on the gas big time with all his weight over the rear for drive in the loose soil. My guess: The soil...
My observation: He was on the gas big time with all his weight over the rear for drive in the loose soil.

My guess: The soil and traction changed and the wheel suddenly hooked up.

My observation: He flipped it.

My hope: He's back at it real soon. Exiting guy to watch, great personality too.
Looked a bit like Villopoto looping it in MXGP.
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Falcon 8/16/2021 9:26am
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Things happen in a hurry when you get your weight in the wrong place. He landed harder than he intended, in a bumpy spot, with inconsistent traction, on a factory 450, while trying to go as fast as he could.... just a freak accident.
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ga_pike 8/16/2021 9:39am
8/16/2021 9:39am
Not to discount anything but imagine if this had happened to DF14 instead... the points battle would be completely different. Seems like these issues are happening to AP and not DF for some strange reason. (Tin foil hat time)
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TSCHAM101 8/16/2021 10:38am
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Personally.. to me it looked like he landed in a hole and the bike went to rebound and the front hit another braking bump which shifted his weight back, knocking him off balance and then whiskey'd...
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Crossup 8/16/2021 10:47am
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reded301 wrote:
Shit happens to the best of us….ask RV about loop outs.
That was an ugly one at speed.




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Johnny Depp 8/16/2021 10:47am
8/16/2021 10:47am Edited Date/Time 8/16/2021 10:48am
Traction control was bantered about with RV. Maybe AP didn’t neuter his bike like DF?
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PNWRider 8/16/2021 10:48am
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Crush wrote:
ktmwoods wrote:
Love AP for being as real as it gets in this sport. American badass.
SilverSpurs wrote:
LOL. Get real. Being 'real' would include Plessinger giving a reasonably detailed explanation of why he crashed in such an unusual manner, not ignoring the [machine...
LOL. Get real.

Being 'real' would include Plessinger giving a reasonably detailed explanation of why he crashed in such an unusual manner, not ignoring the [machine failure?] elephant in the room.


Saying; "happy with my riding" lets the cat out of the bag.
McCarty, that you?
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dsc131 8/16/2021 10:49am
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AP (after landing) at Unadilla looked a bit like DH (before takeoff) at Budds Creek.

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Crossup 8/16/2021 11:41am
8/16/2021 11:41am Edited Date/Time 8/16/2021 11:54am
Looks like a flat landing on a downslope, body forward, elbows up, then...










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Moto Nomad 8/16/2021 12:44pm
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I don't know, but it sure looks like the bike is stuck wide open after Plessinger got tossed off. As soon as the back wheel hits the ground the thing takes off again.
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R66 8/16/2021 12:44pm
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I’ve read all these comments, including AP’s, and I still think it hung wide open. I bet AP just can’t say it openly. I’ve had this happen to me before back in the day, and it was video taped. It looked just like this one. AP is a pro. It do not think it was a case of whiskey throttle.
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Dirty Points 8/16/2021 1:20pm
8/16/2021 1:20pm Edited Date/Time 8/16/2021 1:56pm
Moto Nomad wrote:
I don't know, but it sure looks like the bike is stuck wide open after Plessinger got tossed off. As soon as the back wheel hits...
I don't know, but it sure looks like the bike is stuck wide open after Plessinger got tossed off. As soon as the back wheel hits the ground the thing takes off again.
Not really. It bounced, landed wheels down, went a couple feet from the rear wheel's momentum before falling over. If that thing was pinned, they'd still be chasing it today.
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LungButter 8/16/2021 1:28pm
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Dirty Points wrote:
Not really. It bounced, landed wheels down, went a couple feet from the rear wheel's momentum before falling over. If that thing was pinned, they'd still...
Not really. It bounced, landed wheels down, went a couple feet from the rear wheel's momentum before falling over. If that thing was pinned, they'd still be chasing it today.
So if the throttle isn't stuck, you're saying the rear wheel had enough momentum to throw a roost and bring the bike back up on 2 wheels....after cartwheeling a couple times..... that's pretty wild.
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Dirty Points 8/16/2021 1:31pm
8/16/2021 1:31pm Edited Date/Time 8/16/2021 2:28pm
Dirty Points wrote:
Not really. It bounced, landed wheels down, went a couple feet from the rear wheel's momentum before falling over. If that thing was pinned, they'd still...
Not really. It bounced, landed wheels down, went a couple feet from the rear wheel's momentum before falling over. If that thing was pinned, they'd still be chasing it today.
LungButter wrote:
So if the throttle isn't stuck, you're saying the rear wheel had enough momentum to throw a roost and bring the bike back up on 2...
So if the throttle isn't stuck, you're saying the rear wheel had enough momentum to throw a roost and bring the bike back up on 2 wheels....after cartwheeling a couple times..... that's pretty wild.
It didn't even cartwheel once. It went top over, bounced on subframe, then sideways directly on to the wheels before falling over almost immediately

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LungButter 8/16/2021 1:47pm
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Dirty Points wrote:
It didn't even cartwheel once. It went top over, bounced on subframe, then sideways directly on to the wheels before falling over almost immediately [img]https://media.giphy.com/media/sNiZwhT9EJb2XYDWGz/giphy.gif[/img]
It didn't even cartwheel once. It went top over, bounced on subframe, then sideways directly on to the wheels before falling over almost immediately

Gotcha, I haven't watched the replays a bunch.

Just going off the video you posted it looks like the back wheel catches and throws a roost as it turns the bike left, then it hits a bump and loses balance.

From where I'm coming from that just seems like a lot of momentum left in a wheel that has "went top over, bounced on subframe twice, then sideways" but I didn't Major in Physics or stay at a Holiday in last night so YMMV
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Johnny Depp 8/16/2021 1:51pm
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Moto Nomad wrote:
I don't know, but it sure looks like the bike is stuck wide open after Plessinger got tossed off. As soon as the back wheel hits...
I don't know, but it sure looks like the bike is stuck wide open after Plessinger got tossed off. As soon as the back wheel hits the ground the thing takes off again.
Dirty Points wrote:
Not really. It bounced, landed wheels down, went a couple feet from the rear wheel's momentum before falling over. If that thing was pinned, they'd still...
Not really. It bounced, landed wheels down, went a couple feet from the rear wheel's momentum before falling over. If that thing was pinned, they'd still be chasing it today.
Rolled uphill, right…
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Johnny Depp 8/16/2021 1:53pm
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Dirty Points wrote:
Not really. It bounced, landed wheels down, went a couple feet from the rear wheel's momentum before falling over. If that thing was pinned, they'd still...
Not really. It bounced, landed wheels down, went a couple feet from the rear wheel's momentum before falling over. If that thing was pinned, they'd still be chasing it today.
LungButter wrote:
So if the throttle isn't stuck, you're saying the rear wheel had enough momentum to throw a roost and bring the bike back up on 2...
So if the throttle isn't stuck, you're saying the rear wheel had enough momentum to throw a roost and bring the bike back up on 2 wheels....after cartwheeling a couple times..... that's pretty wild.
Dirty Points wrote:
It didn't even cartwheel once. It went top over, bounced on subframe, then sideways directly on to the wheels before falling over almost immediately [img]https://media.giphy.com/media/sNiZwhT9EJb2XYDWGz/giphy.gif[/img]
It didn't even cartwheel once. It went top over, bounced on subframe, then sideways directly on to the wheels before falling over almost immediately

The seat ripped off while the bike is upside down IS a cartwheel.
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Dirty Points 8/16/2021 2:01pm
8/16/2021 2:01pm Edited Date/Time 8/16/2021 2:04pm
Moto Nomad wrote:
I don't know, but it sure looks like the bike is stuck wide open after Plessinger got tossed off. As soon as the back wheel hits...
I don't know, but it sure looks like the bike is stuck wide open after Plessinger got tossed off. As soon as the back wheel hits the ground the thing takes off again.
Dirty Points wrote:
Not really. It bounced, landed wheels down, went a couple feet from the rear wheel's momentum before falling over. If that thing was pinned, they'd still...
Not really. It bounced, landed wheels down, went a couple feet from the rear wheel's momentum before falling over. If that thing was pinned, they'd still be chasing it today.
Johnny Depp wrote:
Rolled uphill, right…
And so you think a dimed 50+ horsepower bike wheels-down only can make it a couple feet up a moderate incline? Because that seems to me more like what a bike that was ghost-riding while not under power would do.
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Johnny Depp 8/16/2021 2:13pm
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Dirty Points wrote:
Not really. It bounced, landed wheels down, went a couple feet from the rear wheel's momentum before falling over. If that thing was pinned, they'd still...
Not really. It bounced, landed wheels down, went a couple feet from the rear wheel's momentum before falling over. If that thing was pinned, they'd still be chasing it today.
Johnny Depp wrote:
Rolled uphill, right…
Dirty Points wrote:
And so you think a dimed 50+ horsepower bike wheels-down only can make it a couple feet up a moderate incline? Because that seems to me...
And so you think a dimed 50+ horsepower bike wheels-down only can make it a couple feet up a moderate incline? Because that seems to me more like what a bike that was ghost-riding while not under power would do.
It’s obvious if it stuck it didn’t stay that way. Could have sucked dirt. Either way that wasn’t rider error IMO.
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Moto520 8/16/2021 2:14pm
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ZRT throttle? Just kidding.....ZRT is a great throttle setup
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LungButter 8/16/2021 2:50pm
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yak651 wrote:
Thanks for posting.

If the throttle wasn't stuck the bike wouldn't have shot straight up as soon as the back wheel touches the ground, then when it "rights itself" for a second it's clearly accelerating.

Throttle stuck. Plain. As. Day.
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Dirty Points 8/16/2021 3:52pm
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yak651 wrote:
LungButter wrote:
Thanks for posting. If the throttle wasn't stuck the bike wouldn't have shot straight up as soon as the back wheel touches the ground, then when...
Thanks for posting.

If the throttle wasn't stuck the bike wouldn't have shot straight up as soon as the back wheel touches the ground, then when it "rights itself" for a second it's clearly accelerating.

Throttle stuck. Plain. As. Day.
"Clearly accelerating" = rolling to a stop in less than a bike length.
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