Kawasaki scaling down in Europe

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Is this going to be another team running their effort or total withdrawal???

https://mxvice.com/news-kawasaki-in-mxgp/
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tek14 7/21/2021 4:17am
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shuggs wrote:
Is this going to be another team running their effort or total withdrawal???

https://mxvice.com/news-kawasaki-in-mxgp/
There was rumor also Husqvarna will not be with IceOne next year. IceOne would be on team that could take over Kawasaki effort.
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D_L118 7/21/2021 4:21am
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Wildly guessing here: maybe F&H will get support to line up 450 rides?
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SD15 7/21/2021 5:13am
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It seems like KTM, Husqvarna and Gasgas will scale down to one team per brand next year.
This means IceOne, Standing Construct and Diga will be no longer factory teams.

IceOne were negotiating with Kawasaki 1-2 years ago, but this deal didn't work out.
Would not be surprise me if they will take over the management of Kawasaki for 2022.
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Cortami79 7/21/2021 6:49am
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Man.. if IceOne takes over, we still have a few less spots available for riders in total. That means that one or two riders have to search for something less. I can't see Kawi taking more then 2 spots for next season.

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TeamGreen 7/21/2021 8:34am
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Isn't Ice One THE Factory Husky Team? Am I missing something?
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kb228 7/21/2021 9:37am
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So are the OEMs going gung ho for supercross and outdoors or what?

Whats going on in europe thats making teams pull support
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olderandYZer 7/21/2021 10:30am
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Seems to me that running a GP team is an enormous expense.

Getting sponsors for revenue is much harder than it was 15 or even 5 years ago.

Google ads target an audience so much more effectively than having your decal on a bike, transporter or on a shirt. Google and FB are changing marketing in a huge way, and all sponsored sports outside the Olympics are gonna suffer. Even the NBA and NASCAR feel the effects of Google and FB.

Racing will still be big and popular, it just won't have the revenue streams of sponsors like we have seen in the past.

Pay per view or actually showing up a buying a ticket is gonna be about the only way they can finance big time sports in the future

Just my opinion.
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Bacon_n_Egg'r 7/21/2021 11:58am
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Regarding KTM it's also important to remember what is going on in MotoGP.

They have 2 relatively young and up and coming stars in Olivera and Binder, then a host of younger riders needing spots below them. Their recruitment efforts in the RedBull series and Moto3 are paying dividends but they are going to have to write larger contracts and keep spending big $$ to further the bike to keep everyone happy. They've got the taste of victory in the premier class now, and I think even more than ever they are all-in on MotoGP success.
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TeamGreen 7/21/2021 12:08pm
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ZOBITO wrote:
You missed this: https://gatedrop.com/rumour-ktm-gasgas-and-husqvarna-future-mxgp-restru… (which is what SD15 wrote above, lol).
Interesting. That’s still got me wondering how Nestaan would get picked over Ice One and I’m also curious as to “who” Rockstar would want to go with?
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Motofinne 7/21/2021 10:19pm
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Bacon_n_Egg'r wrote:
Regarding KTM it's also important to remember what is going on in MotoGP. They have 2 relatively young and up and coming stars in Olivera and...
Regarding KTM it's also important to remember what is going on in MotoGP.

They have 2 relatively young and up and coming stars in Olivera and Binder, then a host of younger riders needing spots below them. Their recruitment efforts in the RedBull series and Moto3 are paying dividends but they are going to have to write larger contracts and keep spending big $$ to further the bike to keep everyone happy. They've got the taste of victory in the premier class now, and I think even more than ever they are all-in on MotoGP success.
Very good point. The crazy amount of elite talent they have now requires even more money into the MotoGP project if they want to keep them. And we're not even talking salary here, we're talking full factory (or close to it) bikes/programs. B-spec satellite bikes wont cut it for some of those elite talents.
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roninho 7/22/2021 8:24am
7/22/2021 8:24am Edited Date/Time 7/22/2021 8:33am
So ....
* OEM accepts expanding the calendar to 18-20 races (compared to 15 in 2010)
* OEM accepts having 3 to 5 overseas gp's on the calendar (compared to 1 in 2010)
* OEM accepts MXGP stop paying qualifying fee to riders who qualified (Loss of something like10k per rider)
* OEM accepts MXGP demanding riders to pay an entry fee of 1.000 euro per GP (Loss of 15-20k per rider)
* OEM accepts that MXGP is mainly viewable via mxgp-tv but not via free tot air tv, resulting in no significant tv/media exposure.
* OEM accepts that MXGP tickets cost EUR 80 euro or more, resulting in only a couple of thousand spectators at GP's compared to the 25.000 or more that used to go, which makes selling sponsorship much harder.

Now OEM possibly cannot justify the costs for having a MXGP team. Big surprise.

Don't get me wrong, i feel sorry for the guys who work for these teams who lose their job (like Suzuki Everts before & now Kawasaki MX Esca), but yeah, i don't feel sorry for OEMs like Suzuki and Kawasaki not capable of having a team.
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SD15 7/22/2021 8:33am
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ZOBITO wrote:
You missed this: https://gatedrop.com/rumour-ktm-gasgas-and-husqvarna-future-mxgp-restru… (which is what SD15 wrote above, lol).
TeamGreen wrote:
Interesting. That’s still got me wondering how Nestaan would get picked over Ice One and I’m also curious as to “who” Rockstar would want to go...
Interesting. That’s still got me wondering how Nestaan would get picked over Ice One and I’m also curious as to “who” Rockstar would want to go with?
Because Husqvarna is more involved in the Nestaan team.
mx_phreek 7/22/2021 3:26pm
7/22/2021 3:26pm
Sounds like ice one will be taking over the kawi gig from what's being said
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FerCzD 7/22/2021 9:50pm
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kb228 wrote:
So are the OEMs going gung ho for supercross and outdoors or what?

Whats going on in europe thats making teams pull support
Luongo is happening to Euro teams
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