Question on Eli and the MXDN

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Edited Date/Time 6/12/2021 7:10am
Is Eli the most dominant US outdoor rider to only do the MXDN once during his prime? I’m only counting his ‘18 appearance, ‘13 and ‘14 he was a 250 rider and a 450 rookie.

Have any other multi time 450 outdoor champs given the MXDN the finger as much as Eli has?
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Makes no difference. Eli Tomac will probably never have to make the choice to go to the MXoN or not again.
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Is Eli the most dominant US outdoor rider to only do the MXDN once during his prime? I’m only counting his ‘18 appearance, ‘13 and ‘14...
Is Eli the most dominant US outdoor rider to only do the MXDN once during his prime? I’m only counting his ‘18 appearance, ‘13 and ‘14 he was a 250 rider and a 450 rookie.

Have any other multi time 450 outdoor champs given the MXDN the finger as much as Eli has?
So let me get this straight…you don’t want to count his 250 race in Germany where he was probably the fastest 250 rider and had the US in a position to win until his scrub crash or his performance in Latvia where in the final moto his comeback from a first turn crash to 3rd was by far the most impressive ride of the day….but you only want to count his debacle of a ride at Red Bud? It’s unfortunate that Eli was held back in his prime by Kawasaki and not allowed to ride because they felt that SX prep was more important….how did that work out for them…..
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Johnny Ringo 6/12/2021 7:43am
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davistld01 wrote:
Makes no difference. Eli Tomac will probably never have to make the choice to go to the MXoN or not again.
Exactly, he had multiple chances when he was on top, and now he will likely be passed over. Missed his chances
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Jordan421 6/12/2021 7:44am
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Eli will be be at next years MXDN on his new Yamaha…
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Barcia will go...
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Is Eli the most dominant US outdoor rider to only do the MXDN once during his prime? I’m only counting his ‘18 appearance, ‘13 and ‘14...
Is Eli the most dominant US outdoor rider to only do the MXDN once during his prime? I’m only counting his ‘18 appearance, ‘13 and ‘14 he was a 250 rider and a 450 rookie.

Have any other multi time 450 outdoor champs given the MXDN the finger as much as Eli has?
DonM wrote:
So let me get this straight…you don’t want to count his 250 race in Germany where he was probably the fastest 250 rider and had the...
So let me get this straight…you don’t want to count his 250 race in Germany where he was probably the fastest 250 rider and had the US in a position to win until his scrub crash or his performance in Latvia where in the final moto his comeback from a first turn crash to 3rd was by far the most impressive ride of the day….but you only want to count his debacle of a ride at Red Bud? It’s unfortunate that Eli was held back in his prime by Kawasaki and not allowed to ride because they felt that SX prep was more important….how did that work out for them…..
Bingo, mec win, sx title win. $$$$. And both monster events. Worked out good for eli, ac and the team.
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In 2019 he should've went, and since he didnt want to go, AC couldn't go to make him look bad and let the team "not having the resources to go " take the fall. Dude just doesn't want to do anything outside of a contract.
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Johnny Ringo 6/12/2021 7:50am
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Is Eli the most dominant US outdoor rider to only do the MXDN once during his prime? I’m only counting his ‘18 appearance, ‘13 and ‘14...
Is Eli the most dominant US outdoor rider to only do the MXDN once during his prime? I’m only counting his ‘18 appearance, ‘13 and ‘14 he was a 250 rider and a 450 rookie.

Have any other multi time 450 outdoor champs given the MXDN the finger as much as Eli has?
DonM wrote:
So let me get this straight…you don’t want to count his 250 race in Germany where he was probably the fastest 250 rider and had the...
So let me get this straight…you don’t want to count his 250 race in Germany where he was probably the fastest 250 rider and had the US in a position to win until his scrub crash or his performance in Latvia where in the final moto his comeback from a first turn crash to 3rd was by far the most impressive ride of the day….but you only want to count his debacle of a ride at Red Bud? It’s unfortunate that Eli was held back in his prime by Kawasaki and not allowed to ride because they felt that SX prep was more important….how did that work out for them…..
Nope, I’m just asking how many other dominant guys only did 1 MXDN during their “run at the top”
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Is Eli the most dominant US outdoor rider to only do the MXDN once during his prime? I’m only counting his ‘18 appearance, ‘13 and ‘14...
Is Eli the most dominant US outdoor rider to only do the MXDN once during his prime? I’m only counting his ‘18 appearance, ‘13 and ‘14 he was a 250 rider and a 450 rookie.

Have any other multi time 450 outdoor champs given the MXDN the finger as much as Eli has?
DonM wrote:
So let me get this straight…you don’t want to count his 250 race in Germany where he was probably the fastest 250 rider and had the...
So let me get this straight…you don’t want to count his 250 race in Germany where he was probably the fastest 250 rider and had the US in a position to win until his scrub crash or his performance in Latvia where in the final moto his comeback from a first turn crash to 3rd was by far the most impressive ride of the day….but you only want to count his debacle of a ride at Red Bud? It’s unfortunate that Eli was held back in his prime by Kawasaki and not allowed to ride because they felt that SX prep was more important….how did that work out for them…..
mxb2 wrote:
Bingo, mec win, sx title win. $$$$. And both monster events. Worked out good for eli, ac and the team.
All those years of SX prep garnered one SX championship…I would say that holding Eli back from doing MXDN didn’t get the championships they expected…other teams allowed their riders to go and won more SX championships…
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DonM wrote:
So let me get this straight…you don’t want to count his 250 race in Germany where he was probably the fastest 250 rider and had the...
So let me get this straight…you don’t want to count his 250 race in Germany where he was probably the fastest 250 rider and had the US in a position to win until his scrub crash or his performance in Latvia where in the final moto his comeback from a first turn crash to 3rd was by far the most impressive ride of the day….but you only want to count his debacle of a ride at Red Bud? It’s unfortunate that Eli was held back in his prime by Kawasaki and not allowed to ride because they felt that SX prep was more important….how did that work out for them…..
mxb2 wrote:
Bingo, mec win, sx title win. $$$$. And both monster events. Worked out good for eli, ac and the team.
DonM wrote:
All those years of SX prep garnered one SX championship…I would say that holding Eli back from doing MXDN didn’t get the championships they expected…other teams...
All those years of SX prep garnered one SX championship…I would say that holding Eli back from doing MXDN didn’t get the championships they expected…other teams allowed their riders to go and won more SX championships…
Well they all have choices, 1 sx title is more than alot of top riders have. Kroc sat the summer to win a sx title, credit to tomac racing the most,and winning races and titles. Since dungey retired. Tomac has been the best dude.
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Jordan421 wrote:
Eli will be be at next years MXDN on his new Yamaha…
I like the way you think!
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Hope im wrong but i doubt putting USA on the top step of the box at a MXoN is a high priority for him regardless what brand of bike he is on. Someone else will step up and play that role.
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LouisianaMotocross 6/12/2021 12:33pm
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Is Eli the most dominant US outdoor rider to only do the MXDN once during his prime? I’m only counting his ‘18 appearance, ‘13 and ‘14...
Is Eli the most dominant US outdoor rider to only do the MXDN once during his prime? I’m only counting his ‘18 appearance, ‘13 and ‘14 he was a 250 rider and a 450 rookie.

Have any other multi time 450 outdoor champs given the MXDN the finger as much as Eli has?
I think it would be cool if this years team was

1. Ac
2. Ken(he can do this since he is a citizen but I obviously know he won’t)
3. Cooper
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Is Eli the most dominant US outdoor rider to only do the MXDN once during his prime? I’m only counting his ‘18 appearance, ‘13 and ‘14...
Is Eli the most dominant US outdoor rider to only do the MXDN once during his prime? I’m only counting his ‘18 appearance, ‘13 and ‘14 he was a 250 rider and a 450 rookie.

Have any other multi time 450 outdoor champs given the MXDN the finger as much as Eli has?
LouisianaMotocross wrote:
I think it would be cool if this years team was 1. Ac 2. Ken(he can do this since he is a citizen but I obviously...
I think it would be cool if this years team was

1. Ac
2. Ken(he can do this since he is a citizen but I obviously know he won’t)
3. Cooper
If Ken is a US citizen, why would he not represent the USA?
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jorgechavez 6/12/2021 1:03pm
6/12/2021 1:03pm Edited Date/Time 6/13/2021 1:01am
If I recall correctly Tomac was the highest placing American that day, why is it his performance that gets examined under a microscope? I realize he was the MX champion but the conditions they rode that day are supposed to be right up Barcia and Plessinger’s alley and they didn’t perform any better.
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Up Wind wrote:
If Ken is a US citizen, why would he not represent the USA?
Dual citizenship. He should represent his country of origin.
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Ken our leader, we follow him blindly. He should go for any team he wants, results won't matter, when you are winning at life.
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Up Wind wrote:
If Ken is a US citizen, why would he not represent the USA?
theToothPerry wrote:
Dual citizenship. He should represent his country of origin.
Its not really in the spirit of the competition don't you think??
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Is Eli the most dominant US outdoor rider to only do the MXDN once during his prime? I’m only counting his ‘18 appearance, ‘13 and ‘14...
Is Eli the most dominant US outdoor rider to only do the MXDN once during his prime? I’m only counting his ‘18 appearance, ‘13 and ‘14 he was a 250 rider and a 450 rookie.

Have any other multi time 450 outdoor champs given the MXDN the finger as much as Eli has?
LouisianaMotocross wrote:
I think it would be cool if this years team was 1. Ac 2. Ken(he can do this since he is a citizen but I obviously...
I think it would be cool if this years team was

1. Ac
2. Ken(he can do this since he is a citizen but I obviously know he won’t)
3. Cooper
AC is not an option. Kawasaki no longer supports the usa at the MXoN.
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Up Wind wrote:
If Ken is a US citizen, why would he not represent the USA?
theToothPerry wrote:
Dual citizenship. He should represent his country of origin.
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
Its not really in the spirit of the competition don't you think??
Is sending riders for team Puerto Rico in the “spirit of competition”
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jorgechavez wrote:
If I recall correctly Tomac was the highest placing American that day, why is it his performance that gets examined under a microscope? I realize he...
If I recall correctly Tomac was the highest placing American that day, why is it his performance that gets examined under a microscope? I realize he was the MX champion but the conditions they rode that day are supposed to be right up Barcia and Plessinger’s alley and they didn’t perform any better.
Add a few other big names that finished way out of the top 15. But they arent mentioned. Hmmmm.
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Jordan421 wrote:
Eli will be be at next years MXDN on his new Yamaha…
I think 2 people who dont struggle to make top 10s will be chosen over eli
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Is Eli the most dominant US outdoor rider to only do the MXDN once during his prime? I’m only counting his ‘18 appearance, ‘13 and ‘14...
Is Eli the most dominant US outdoor rider to only do the MXDN once during his prime? I’m only counting his ‘18 appearance, ‘13 and ‘14 he was a 250 rider and a 450 rookie.

Have any other multi time 450 outdoor champs given the MXDN the finger as much as Eli has?
LouisianaMotocross wrote:
I think it would be cool if this years team was 1. Ac 2. Ken(he can do this since he is a citizen but I obviously...
I think it would be cool if this years team was

1. Ac
2. Ken(he can do this since he is a citizen but I obviously know he won’t)
3. Cooper
Up Wind wrote:
If Ken is a US citizen, why would he not represent the USA?
Afaik. He's not a US citizen. If he gets citizenship he has to give up his German one. Germany only grants dual in very rare cases. It think they're still trying to get an exception for him
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It seems that the best riders we have in the premier class either don’t want to go and or are not willing to ride at 100% and risk injury. SX is so important to the manufacturers and the riders it’s not worth the risk.
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When did it shift from Tomac dont wanting to ride to Kawi dont supporting their guys?

As i can recall the US media reported it like Tomac not wanting to ride a couple of years ago when all this started? Never saw anything about Kawi not letting him?

Would think that both Kawi and Monster would like to have one of their riders line up att the most exposed MX race of the year.
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Mugeneco 6/13/2021 3:57am
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Is Eli the most dominant US outdoor rider to only do the MXDN once during his prime? I’m only counting his ‘18 appearance, ‘13 and ‘14...
Is Eli the most dominant US outdoor rider to only do the MXDN once during his prime? I’m only counting his ‘18 appearance, ‘13 and ‘14 he was a 250 rider and a 450 rookie.

Have any other multi time 450 outdoor champs given the MXDN the finger as much as Eli has?
DonM wrote:
So let me get this straight…you don’t want to count his 250 race in Germany where he was probably the fastest 250 rider and had the...
So let me get this straight…you don’t want to count his 250 race in Germany where he was probably the fastest 250 rider and had the US in a position to win until his scrub crash or his performance in Latvia where in the final moto his comeback from a first turn crash to 3rd was by far the most impressive ride of the day….but you only want to count his debacle of a ride at Red Bud? It’s unfortunate that Eli was held back in his prime by Kawasaki and not allowed to ride because they felt that SX prep was more important….how did that work out for them…..
mxb2 wrote:
Bingo, mec win, sx title win. $$$$. And both monster events. Worked out good for eli, ac and the team.
but never won a moto outside the USA in MX ... Tomac was expected to do better in all those races as good as he was at that time , and dont act like MXON isnt important for anybody who loves MX or a multiple outdoor champ like Eli

dont think we will ever see him again outside the USA or at MXON
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Tumic wrote:
When did it shift from Tomac dont wanting to ride to Kawi dont supporting their guys? As i can recall the US media reported it like...
When did it shift from Tomac dont wanting to ride to Kawi dont supporting their guys?

As i can recall the US media reported it like Tomac not wanting to ride a couple of years ago when all this started? Never saw anything about Kawi not letting him?

Would think that both Kawi and Monster would like to have one of their riders line up att the most exposed MX race of the year.
When Kawi put out a press release in 2019 stating they wouldn’t support their riders at the MXoN https://racerxonline.com/2019/08/08/kawasaki-will-not-participate-in-th…
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People love to talk about Tomac at Red Bud and how bad he was yet others are saying Roczen should be on the team. They never talk about how bad Kenny did They must have forgotten that Roczen got smoked worse than Tomac that day.
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Mr. Afterbar wrote:
People love to talk about Tomac at Red Bud and how bad he was yet others are saying Roczen should be on the team. They never...
People love to talk about Tomac at Red Bud and how bad he was yet others are saying Roczen should be on the team. They never talk about how bad Kenny did They must have forgotten that Roczen got smoked worse than Tomac that day.
Regardless, its ridiculous that some are even suggesting Roczen should be on Team USA.
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DonM wrote:
So let me get this straight…you don’t want to count his 250 race in Germany where he was probably the fastest 250 rider and had the...
So let me get this straight…you don’t want to count his 250 race in Germany where he was probably the fastest 250 rider and had the US in a position to win until his scrub crash or his performance in Latvia where in the final moto his comeback from a first turn crash to 3rd was by far the most impressive ride of the day….but you only want to count his debacle of a ride at Red Bud? It’s unfortunate that Eli was held back in his prime by Kawasaki and not allowed to ride because they felt that SX prep was more important….how did that work out for them…..
mxb2 wrote:
Bingo, mec win, sx title win. $$$$. And both monster events. Worked out good for eli, ac and the team.
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but never won a moto outside the USA in MX ... Tomac was expected to do better in all those races as good as he was...
but never won a moto outside the USA in MX ... Tomac was expected to do better in all those races as good as he was at that time , and dont act like MXON isnt important for anybody who loves MX or a multiple outdoor champ like Eli

dont think we will ever see him again outside the USA or at MXON
All the guys picked are expected to do good, thats the reason they were picked. I love the mxon, but i also respect people for making their own choices.
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