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4/17/2021 1:37pm
Titan1 wrote:
I didn’t say it’s impossible to go fast with one...lots of guys go ridiculously fast with incorrect technique (at the pro level it’s minuscule flaws, which...
I didn’t say it’s impossible to go fast with one...lots of guys go ridiculously fast with incorrect technique (at the pro level it’s minuscule flaws, which is why even the best-in any sport-hire coaches and trainers to help improve technique)...I said it’s not possible to ride with 100% correct technique While wearing one.

I’m not sure it’s a coincidence that none of the riders you mentioned (Anderson, Herlings, Marv) are still wearing them (assuming Marv’s change today is permanent).
Look at Sexton with and without a neck brace. Or how about RV? You're telling me its not possible? BS You're just drinking the Ryno Koolaid.






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4/17/2021 2:12pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2021 2:55pm
Titan1 wrote:
I didn’t say it’s impossible to go fast with one...lots of guys go ridiculously fast with incorrect technique (at the pro level it’s minuscule flaws, which...
I didn’t say it’s impossible to go fast with one...lots of guys go ridiculously fast with incorrect technique (at the pro level it’s minuscule flaws, which is why even the best-in any sport-hire coaches and trainers to help improve technique)...I said it’s not possible to ride with 100% correct technique While wearing one.

I’m not sure it’s a coincidence that none of the riders you mentioned (Anderson, Herlings, Marv) are still wearing them (assuming Marv’s change today is permanent).
TbonesPop wrote:
Look at Sexton with and without a neck brace. Or how about RV? You're telling me its not possible? BS You're just drinking the Ryno Koolaid...
Look at Sexton with and without a neck brace. Or how about RV? You're telling me its not possible? BS You're just drinking the Ryno Koolaid.






Okay.

But there is a reason all the pros are gradually ditching the neck brace...particularly when they get on 450’s. It’s possible to muscle around a 250 with less than on point technique, but it’s MUCH more difficult (not impossible, but more difficult) on a 450. And at the pro level, they are making minuscule adjustments to the bike, their body and their technique to give them an edge...and the neck braces disappear.

It’s possible to go insanely fast with a neck brace...those guys pictured prove that...

I don’t know? Maybe there are no performance gains to not wearing one and the pros just don’t believe in them, and they don’t want to take the money and use a product they don’t believe in (which doesn’t hinder their performance in way)?

Or Maybe they believe in them, but these top pros just can’t get a neck brace company to pay them enough money to wear their product, so they’d rather risk injury and not wear one, rather than wear one for free?

I’m thinking they are seeing performance gains once they ditch the brace and that is why the pros aren’t wearing them any more (But I’m a nobody with zero first had knowledge...so I could be wrong.)
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4/17/2021 2:14pm
Titan1 wrote:
I didn’t say it’s impossible to go fast with one...lots of guys go ridiculously fast with incorrect technique (at the pro level it’s minuscule flaws, which...
I didn’t say it’s impossible to go fast with one...lots of guys go ridiculously fast with incorrect technique (at the pro level it’s minuscule flaws, which is why even the best-in any sport-hire coaches and trainers to help improve technique)...I said it’s not possible to ride with 100% correct technique While wearing one.

I’m not sure it’s a coincidence that none of the riders you mentioned (Anderson, Herlings, Marv) are still wearing them (assuming Marv’s change today is permanent).
TbonesPop wrote:
Look at Sexton with and without a neck brace. Or how about RV? You're telling me its not possible? BS You're just drinking the Ryno Koolaid...
Look at Sexton with and without a neck brace. Or how about RV? You're telling me its not possible? BS You're just drinking the Ryno Koolaid.






Damn, Villo had good form. He was doing what everyone is doing now 10 years ago. With a neck brace
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4/17/2021 2:17pm
Damn, Villo had good form. He was doing what everyone is doing now 10 years ago. With a neck brace
Impossible. 🙄
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4/17/2021 2:47pm
Damn, Villo had good form. He was doing what everyone is doing now 10 years ago. With a neck brace
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Impossible. 🙄
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Titan1 wrote:
Okay. But there is a reason all the pros are gradually ditching the neck brace...particularly when they get on 450’s. It’s possible to muscle around a...
Okay.

But there is a reason all the pros are gradually ditching the neck brace...particularly when they get on 450’s. It’s possible to muscle around a 250 with less than on point technique, but it’s MUCH more difficult (not impossible, but more difficult) on a 450. And at the pro level, they are making minuscule adjustments to the bike, their body and their technique to give them an edge...and the neck braces disappear.

It’s possible to go insanely fast with a neck brace...those guys pictured prove that...

I don’t know? Maybe there are no performance gains to not wearing one and the pros just don’t believe in them, and they don’t want to take the money and use a product they don’t believe in (which doesn’t hinder their performance in way)?

Or Maybe they believe in them, but these top pros just can’t get a neck brace company to pay them enough money to wear their product, so they’d rather risk injury and not wear one, rather than wear one for free?

I’m thinking they are seeing performance gains once they ditch the brace and that is why the pros aren’t wearing them any more (But I’m a nobody with zero first had knowledge...so I could be wrong.)
My original point that it is completely possible to ride with excellent form and technique (I'd defer to Sexton over Ryno or AJ any day and all day for form, speed, and technique). Everyone is shaped different and has different body size. Long neck, short neck, long arms, short arms, short legs, long legs, long torso, short torso, etc. To make a blind statement (speaking of Ryno making it) that its impossible to ride with proper form and technique is incorrect and irresponsible. For some people with their body shape, it can be more difficult. But its certainly not impossible.

I learned playing baseball in HS and legion is that (I was a catcher) your protective gear has to be an integral part of your body. It should give you a feeling of being naked when you don't wear it. Proper fitment and adjustment is paramount.

My theory on the reason pros are ditching them is because more and more riders are wearing under the jersey chest protectors. Its a a requirement in MXGP. Its very challenging to find the perfect combination of under the jersey chest protectors that work with the preferred neck braces, and factoring in the equipment endorsements. I like the A Stars A1 chest protector and I like my Atlas neck brace. The Atlas doesn't work perfectly with the A1 (but it does work). I don't care for the Atlas chest protectors and I don't care for the Astars neck brace. Finding that perfect combination is very difficult. so the riders are electing to go with the preferred under the jersey chest protector over the neck braces.

I just don't think there is a perfect set up. JMHO
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4/17/2021 5:18pm
TbonesPop wrote:
I'm curious to see if riders who aren't wearing them this SX will wear them for MX. Some riders wear chest protectors, others don't. I personally...
I'm curious to see if riders who aren't wearing them this SX will wear them for MX. Some riders wear chest protectors, others don't.

I personally choose to wear one and don't give two fucks what the pros do. I'm not a pro. I have to go to work on Monday and have many responsibilities to my family and the people in our company (and their families) to stay healthy. I also don't give 2 fucks what Ryno has to say on the subject. Want to wear one, wear it. Don't want to wear one, then don't.
ZOBITO wrote:
Can't agree more.
Most pros would ride naked if they could.
So Ricky Johnson and Ryan Dungey were staging a coup!
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4/18/2021 10:27am
Something's fishy. Hopefully he puts it back on. It's very discouraging to see all these top guys ditching their braces this year IE. Anderson Sexton Barcia...
Something's fishy. Hopefully he puts it back on. It's very discouraging to see all these top guys ditching their braces this year IE. Anderson Sexton Barcia and now Marv. To each their own but In my opinion it's also setting a bad example for young kids. If none of the top guys wear one while racing Supercross why should Patrick Potato wear one while riding in his backyard? I get that there's no definitive proof but the point is to help mitigate injury.
chasetwo79 wrote:
After all this time, there hasn’t been concrete proof that they actually work. But what is proven is how much they hinder your ability to look...
After all this time, there hasn’t been concrete proof that they actually work. But what is proven is how much they hinder your ability to look side to side when riding, which can for sure be a detriment to your safety.

Cue the downvotes now...
No downvote here, I actually agree with you. I respect people's choice not to wear them until there's a real and peer reviewed study showing that they help. No concrete proof yet and I'm not sure if there will ever be. I'm also in the school of thought who thinks the original Leatt was a terrible design. I just think the downside of wearing a newer brace is way less than not. It's no secret that having your neck bend too far a certain way can cause a terrible injury, so why not do everything you can to prevent that.
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4/18/2021 10:33am
TbonesPop wrote:
I'm curious to see if riders who aren't wearing them this SX will wear them for MX. Some riders wear chest protectors, others don't. I personally...
I'm curious to see if riders who aren't wearing them this SX will wear them for MX. Some riders wear chest protectors, others don't.

I personally choose to wear one and don't give two fucks what the pros do. I'm not a pro. I have to go to work on Monday and have many responsibilities to my family and the people in our company (and their families) to stay healthy. I also don't give 2 fucks what Ryno has to say on the subject. Want to wear one, wear it. Don't want to wear one, then don't.
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This is about wear I’m at as well. I wear one, because of all the reasons you mentioned. And def agree with the Ryno stuff. He...
This is about wear I’m at as well. I wear one, because of all the reasons you mentioned. And def agree with the Ryno stuff. He seems too far out there for me.
Titan1 wrote:
I don’t think Ryno’s position on them has as much to do with the safety aspect (whether they work or not), as it does with the...
I don’t think Ryno’s position on them has as much to do with the safety aspect (whether they work or not), as it does with the fact that it’s impossible to ride the bike with correct technique while wearing one.

We could all be significantly safer while wearing a fully inflated “sumo” type outfit (so we just bounce when we hit the ground) but it’s impossible to ride the bike correctly with one of those. So none of us would wear one...

we all have to make a decision on where we draw the line between functionality (being able to move and ride the bike with correct technique) and safety...as anything past the traditional “normal” safety gear (helmet, boots, goggles, gloves, pants, jersey) begins to affect how our bodies move, and thus affects how we are able to ride the bike.

I don’t care where anyone draws that line...full Fox titan body suit, knee braces, kidney belt, neck brace, etc.? good for you! None of that? Equally good for you!

But, it’s just not possible to ride a bike with correct technique while wearing a neck brace....it’s impossible. for those who trade off the advantages of improved technique, for the supposed safety of the neck brace...that’s your decision to make, and I’m cool with anyone that wears a neck brace.
I think ryno is pretty safety oriented. I believe he’s said he’s hit the deck more than any rider in history which isn’t quantifiable but I’m sure he’s up there. I think a big part of his technique theories are that if you ride correctly you’ll be more in control and therefore not crash as much.

This topic always gets messy. Do I think pros should where more than a super thin jersey? Yeah definitely but in the end it really is personal choice

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4/18/2021 10:34am
TbonesPop wrote:
I'm curious to see if riders who aren't wearing them this SX will wear them for MX. Some riders wear chest protectors, others don't. I personally...
I'm curious to see if riders who aren't wearing them this SX will wear them for MX. Some riders wear chest protectors, others don't.

I personally choose to wear one and don't give two fucks what the pros do. I'm not a pro. I have to go to work on Monday and have many responsibilities to my family and the people in our company (and their families) to stay healthy. I also don't give 2 fucks what Ryno has to say on the subject. Want to wear one, wear it. Don't want to wear one, then don't.
ZOBITO wrote:
Can't agree more.
Most pros would ride naked if they could.
So Ricky Johnson and Ryan Dungey were staging a coup!
I’ve heard that DV’s go to first date move is to take the girl to the track to watch him blitz the whoops naked
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What I don't understand is Ricky mentions the neck brace being off right before his podium interview and then when he comes on its radio silence...
What I don't understand is Ricky mentions the neck brace being off right before his podium interview and then when he comes on its radio silence. All of us were wondering what's up. Get a clue broadcast team, you CANT let that slip.
Ricky called Justin Cooper ....Cooper Webb during the 250 main on the broadcast
You can see/hear him say it on the highlight video by nbcsn too
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TbonesPop wrote:
Look at Sexton with and without a neck brace. Or how about RV? You're telling me its not possible? BS You're just drinking the Ryno Koolaid...
Look at Sexton with and without a neck brace. Or how about RV? You're telling me its not possible? BS You're just drinking the Ryno Koolaid.






It’s disingenuous to cherry pick 4 images and say that they don’t affect form. Part of what Ryan is talking about with neck braces is when you make a mistake they can exacerbate it. For example you get off balance and your head tilts to the side then it hits the neck brace forcing your shoulder down affecting that whole side of your body, putting you in a more compromised position.

I think he is pretty spot on with a lot of his riding teachings. No other sports (except offensive line mean) wear braces. The body is meant to move not be locked up. Skiing for example has wwaaaayyy more knee injuries then moto and we don’t wear braces. And knee braces do nothing to prevent acl tears in the most common way they happen on skis, backwards twisting falls.

To each there own.
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It’s disingenuous to cherry pick 4 images and say that they don’t affect form. Part of what Ryan is talking about with neck braces is when...
It’s disingenuous to cherry pick 4 images and say that they don’t affect form. Part of what Ryan is talking about with neck braces is when you make a mistake they can exacerbate it. For example you get off balance and your head tilts to the side then it hits the neck brace forcing your shoulder down affecting that whole side of your body, putting you in a more compromised position.

I think he is pretty spot on with a lot of his riding teachings. No other sports (except offensive line mean) wear braces. The body is meant to move not be locked up. Skiing for example has wwaaaayyy more knee injuries then moto and we don’t wear braces. And knee braces do nothing to prevent acl tears in the most common way they happen on skis, backwards twisting falls.

To each there own.
You missed the whole point of the pictures. Titan says that Ryno says (I’ve heard him say it) that it’s “impossible” to ride with proper riding technique with a neck brace on. The pictures prove that’s false and Ryno is wrong. Everybody is built differently and while I can see how it will hinder some people based on their physical stature, it’s most certainly possible to ride with correct form and technique while wearing a neck brace. And I just picked a few easy to access photos. There are tons of available context showing people wearing a neck brace riding with proper form and technique.

If people don’t want to wear one, don’t wear one. But industry folks responsible for training people should not say shit that’s just not true when something related to safety is involved.

Note AJ says he would NEVER tell someone to not wear a neck brace. To each their own and if they want to wear one, then wear one. I’m just proving that Ryno is wrong in his statements about it preventing riding with proper form and technique. That is total BS.

Again, to each their own. It’s fair to question if someone thinks they actually prevent injury or not. Totally fair. Wear one or don’t wear one. That’s fine. Just don’t make BS statements to support your personal position on the topic. That’s all.
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4/27/2021 5:58am
Rather wear a neck brace on the track with a little discomfort, than wear one like I am now sitting on my couch until July16...
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ZOBITO wrote:
Can't agree more.
Most pros would ride naked if they could.
So Ricky Johnson and Ryan Dungey were staging a coup!
jambalaya wrote:
I’ve heard that DV’s go to first date move is to take the girl to the track to watch him blitz the whoops naked
And, yet another reason DV is still single.

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