Mike grondahl gypsy tales podcast is unreal

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Is it Saturday (ATL1) yet?

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This sport so is backwards it's not even funny. It's not unlike the rest of action sports. The nationals is run by the same people who...
This sport so is backwards it's not even funny. It's not unlike the rest of action sports.

The nationals is run by the same people who own the biggest media source in the sport. If you think mathes isn't a puppet for the sponsors of the series you are ignorant or naïve. It would be like ESPN owning the NBA. Imagine Stephen A Smith not being able to say what he really feels.

Half of the people running teams are ex riders or mechanics who barely have a high school education, it's wonder how any of these teams can survive financially.

You have someone like Rutledge who comes in to tries to broaden the audience you guys bitch and complain because he's not core enough. (hate to break it to you but more people know and care about rutledge wood than Daniel Blair or DV)

We just ignore the rampant PED usage, anytime someone gets popped they are a victim.

The riders and teams are beholden to the circus company. No one gets to sell their own merch at the stadiums, yet feld gets to sell J. Hill hats and JGR team shirts from 3 years ago?

I love this sport, but Grondahl is spot on with most of what he said. I don't blame him for having a chip on his shoulder.






I’m with you on everything except Rutledge. 1000 Rutledges aren’t going to make this sport appeal to people who have never ridden and don’t relate.
Plus Rutledge dug his own grave on the Pulp show not knowing when to STFU.
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I’m with you on everything except Rutledge. 1000 Rutledges aren’t going to make this sport appeal to people who have never ridden and don’t relate. Plus...
I’m with you on everything except Rutledge. 1000 Rutledges aren’t going to make this sport appeal to people who have never ridden and don’t relate.
Plus Rutledge dug his own grave on the Pulp show not knowing when to STFU.
I just don’t think it’s relatable to anyone that doesn’t at least ride or have ridden a dirt bike/motorcycle, snowmobile, mountain bike etc at least on tv. It just doesn’t translate well, the technicality, size of the features, and fitness it takes doesn’t translate for most people. In person it’s a bit different and I know people that will go for the entertainment but it’s just a one off thing they don’t follow the series after.

This along with most of the teams and riders not adding anything by actually letting us in on what changes they are making, how there bike is working, how the rider is feeling. Everything is so shrouded in secrecy for no reason. Like what disadvantage is a rider put at if they actually answer honestly what changes they make to their bike throughout the night? Or if a team admits they are struggling with set up at a certain track etc.
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On the subject of riders being able to sell merch at the races, I'm all for it, but I don't think it would be the privateer cash cow that some of you seem to think it would be. Does anyone really think that the factories wouldn't just set up their own merch booths and completely overshadow the little guys? Purely speculation, but I doubt the privateers would break even on the cost of goods.
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Anyway, so how can we deny his point that the sport is fucked when geico wins a 250 sx title, contends the whole outdoors and has overall wins, they lose a major sponsor and that's it. Doors closed.

Same goes for JGR.

Or that Southwick had to pay x amount to hold a national, but couldn't afford to build proper toilet facilities so the ladies had to go in Porto toilets.
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For those that did not listen. Here is the summary.

Gypsy guy says fuck every other sentence.

Mike spent millions on his kids racing and lost millions at geico and more on alias.

Dungey’s people realized it was a bad business deal and he backed out.

Mike has been thru a lot in terms of addiction and other challenges. Little nutty but when he talks in terms of general business he sounds sharp in that area.

MX sports charges 100k to hold a national

Matthes makes 300k
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pretty cool that Gypsy Tales was even able to do this podcast with him. Was pretty random to even have Mike Grondahl on the show, Especially with Gypsy Tales. considering he doesn't go to the races Wink
Looks like it definitely got some attention considering how much people talk down on the podcast haha

Between the Lawrence Brothers on the track and Gypsy Gang on the Media side. The Aussies are definitely getting the exposure. good & bad hahaha Love it
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“The top guys win because of PEDs”

JLaw- “Hold my beer”



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Sully wrote:
On the subject of riders being able to sell merch at the races, I'm all for it, but I don't think it would be the privateer...
On the subject of riders being able to sell merch at the races, I'm all for it, but I don't think it would be the privateer cash cow that some of you seem to think it would be. Does anyone really think that the factories wouldn't just set up their own merch booths and completely overshadow the little guys? Purely speculation, but I doubt the privateers would break even on the cost of goods.
I’ll agree with that...when most riders can’t afford to join the Blue Ribbon Coalition and/or the AMA (to protect their right to ride...AMA may not be the best, but they are something and the annual membership is like $50 or something like that-same with BRC-money well spent in my opinion)...no way in the world I see them dropping $20 on a T-shirt for some privateer that may or may not make the night show or Main. Especially after spending who knows how many hundreds of dollars just to get to the races.
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Janko630 wrote:
Rock solid response. I'll just start my own Facebook while I'm at it too.


soggy wrote:
There is nothing stopping you, come up with a better idea and do it
Janko630 wrote:
Please refer to my previous post. The question: Besides top riders, why can't the guys outside the top echelon make a decent living? The rider's ineptitude...
Please refer to my previous post.
The question:
Besides top riders, why can't the guys outside the top echelon make a decent living?
The rider's ineptitude off the bike? Of course not.
The internet/social media/livestreaming has made it easier than ever to capitalize on one's own image, yet the vast majority of professional racers aren't being compensated for the risks they take?
Because they, or another ‘worthy’ rider, is willing to perform the job for less than ‘a decent living’.

There is no real reason to pay people more money to do a job than what they will accept. If people are willing to basically race for free, it ultimately lowers the potential earnings for everyone at that skill level.
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8 Vicodin a day? What a savage...
You being sarcastic? That's nothing
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For those that did not listen. Here is the summary. Gypsy guy says fuck every other sentence. Mike spent millions on his kids racing and lost...
For those that did not listen. Here is the summary.

Gypsy guy says fuck every other sentence.

Mike spent millions on his kids racing and lost millions at geico and more on alias.

Dungey’s people realized it was a bad business deal and he backed out.

Mike has been thru a lot in terms of addiction and other challenges. Little nutty but when he talks in terms of general business he sounds sharp in that area.

MX sports charges 100k to hold a national

Matthes makes 300k
$100k to hold a national? No wonder tracks aren't trying like hell to get in....That is good and salty.
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8 Vicodin a day? What a savage...
You being sarcastic? That's nothing
It’s a lot of chalk
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Great to still see the effing owner of one of the two race series coming onto Vital to reply to people and still get bitched at. Cool

Davey is an adult and doesn't care what you write about him on the internet. He, Matthes, and everyone else doing what they do in this sport's journalism are some of the wheels keeping this ship afloat. Quit complaining or do something about it

Grow up

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For those that did not listen. Here is the summary. Gypsy guy says fuck every other sentence. Mike spent millions on his kids racing and lost...
For those that did not listen. Here is the summary.

Gypsy guy says fuck every other sentence.

Mike spent millions on his kids racing and lost millions at geico and more on alias.

Dungey’s people realized it was a bad business deal and he backed out.

Mike has been thru a lot in terms of addiction and other challenges. Little nutty but when he talks in terms of general business he sounds sharp in that area.

MX sports charges 100k to hold a national

Matthes makes 300k
BobPA wrote:
$100k to hold a national? No wonder tracks aren't trying like hell to get in....That is good and salty.

Actually, for 100k, the promoter brings a lot of value and revenues with that, while running a series also involves lots of cost, probably 90% of that. Compare that to the million or so asked to run a GP, people in the US should understand they are lucky. And purse money is still there.
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For those that did not listen. Here is the summary. Gypsy guy says fuck every other sentence. Mike spent millions on his kids racing and lost...
For those that did not listen. Here is the summary.

Gypsy guy says fuck every other sentence.

Mike spent millions on his kids racing and lost millions at geico and more on alias.

Dungey’s people realized it was a bad business deal and he backed out.

Mike has been thru a lot in terms of addiction and other challenges. Little nutty but when he talks in terms of general business he sounds sharp in that area.

MX sports charges 100k to hold a national

Matthes makes 300k
Thanks saves listening to the other shit

, if that figure is anywhere near correct it’s awesome, Matthes built PulpMX out of nothing but an idea so good on him, Well earned
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I wrote into the Pulp show and my email was read on air a few years ago. I thanked Steve for doing the show and that I assumed he didn't make much money from the show and he laughed and said "I do pretty well". He's mentioned he got fucked when buying a home right before the recession and has made it out of that and bought a new place. I'd be happy to hear he is making good money from what he has built. That shit's not easy to do and maintain.

Also, I'm a Matthes fanboi, if you cannot tell
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8 Vicodin a day? What a savage...
You being sarcastic? That's nothing
Yes lol.
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soggy wrote:
There is nothing stopping you, come up with a better idea and do it
Janko630 wrote:
Please refer to my previous post. The question: Besides top riders, why can't the guys outside the top echelon make a decent living? The rider's ineptitude...
Please refer to my previous post.
The question:
Besides top riders, why can't the guys outside the top echelon make a decent living?
The rider's ineptitude off the bike? Of course not.
The internet/social media/livestreaming has made it easier than ever to capitalize on one's own image, yet the vast majority of professional racers aren't being compensated for the risks they take?
APLMAN99 wrote:
Because they, or another ‘worthy’ rider, is willing to perform the job for less than ‘a decent living’. There is no real reason to pay people...
Because they, or another ‘worthy’ rider, is willing to perform the job for less than ‘a decent living’.

There is no real reason to pay people more money to do a job than what they will accept. If people are willing to basically race for free, it ultimately lowers the potential earnings for everyone at that skill level.
Just how many 'worthy' racers do you think are out there?

Finding elite racers to fill a starting gate is not like staffing your local Chick-fil-A.
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fanger wrote:
Anyway, so how can we deny his point that the sport is fucked when geico wins a 250 sx title, contends the whole outdoors and has...
Anyway, so how can we deny his point that the sport is fucked when geico wins a 250 sx title, contends the whole outdoors and has overall wins, they lose a major sponsor and that's it. Doors closed.

Same goes for JGR.

Or that Southwick had to pay x amount to hold a national, but couldn't afford to build proper toilet facilities so the ladies had to go in Porto toilets.
Every National I’ve ever been to has porta John’s. Pretty standard. Pala doesn’t have restrooms either
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Janko630 wrote:
Please refer to my previous post. The question: Besides top riders, why can't the guys outside the top echelon make a decent living? The rider's ineptitude...
Please refer to my previous post.
The question:
Besides top riders, why can't the guys outside the top echelon make a decent living?
The rider's ineptitude off the bike? Of course not.
The internet/social media/livestreaming has made it easier than ever to capitalize on one's own image, yet the vast majority of professional racers aren't being compensated for the risks they take?
APLMAN99 wrote:
Because they, or another ‘worthy’ rider, is willing to perform the job for less than ‘a decent living’. There is no real reason to pay people...
Because they, or another ‘worthy’ rider, is willing to perform the job for less than ‘a decent living’.

There is no real reason to pay people more money to do a job than what they will accept. If people are willing to basically race for free, it ultimately lowers the potential earnings for everyone at that skill level.
Janko630 wrote:
Just how many 'worthy' racers do you think are out there?

Finding elite racers to fill a starting gate is not like staffing your local Chick-fil-A.
Well, ‘elite’ is fairly subjective but let’s just be aware that it is easy enough that you can charge people to do it.

As best as I can tell, Chik-fil-A is not able to charge their employees a fee for the pleasure of being able to work there.

Bottom line is that there are enough racers out there that Feld/AMA/FIM are not in a position to need to raise prize money or eliminate entry fees. If the pool of willing talent were to dry up, they’d probably have to consider at least one of those things.

Supply of riders is higher than demand, so their cost remains low. If the supply drops below the demand, then their costs would naturally rise.

Basic macroeconomic concept.
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When will we all just accept that supercross will never be mainstream? It is, and always will be, a niche sport. If James Stewart couldn't take...
When will we all just accept that supercross will never be mainstream? It is, and always will be, a niche sport.

If James Stewart couldn't take in main stream...nobody will.

And I'm perfectly fine with that. It's the right size for me...big enough for great bikes, and a great TV package so I can watch most races live.

But, for those that do want to see it grow (and for those that make a living off the sport, I hope it does grow)....if the blame is going to go anywhere for why it doesn't grow...doesn't it land on the promoter? Isn't that the promoters job, to promote, or grow, the thing they are promoting? So I blame Feld...and as long as they keep promoting it like a side show exhibition (Like monster trucks and the circus) that is all it will ever be.
Explain why Stew was featured on ESPN at one point. The sport was peaking. Guys were getting paid. So why the decline to where we are now?
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First of all, anyone relating this to cycling and Lance Armstrong are completely out of line.

Lance was bribed by USADA to admit to doping on Oprah’s show. They were pissed after 15 years of bullying him he never failed one test. Lance was clean, open your eyes. All his teammates that came out against him were looking for a book deal.
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For those that did not listen. Here is the summary. Gypsy guy says fuck every other sentence. Mike spent millions on his kids racing and lost...
For those that did not listen. Here is the summary.

Gypsy guy says fuck every other sentence.

Mike spent millions on his kids racing and lost millions at geico and more on alias.

Dungey’s people realized it was a bad business deal and he backed out.

Mike has been thru a lot in terms of addiction and other challenges. Little nutty but when he talks in terms of general business he sounds sharp in that area.

MX sports charges 100k to hold a national

Matthes makes 300k
BobPA wrote:
$100k to hold a national? No wonder tracks aren't trying like hell to get in....That is good and salty.
Question wrote:
Actually, for 100k, the promoter brings a lot of value and revenues with that, while running a series also involves lots of cost, probably 90% of...

Actually, for 100k, the promoter brings a lot of value and revenues with that, while running a series also involves lots of cost, probably 90% of that. Compare that to the million or so asked to run a GP, people in the US should understand they are lucky. And purse money is still there.
Thought I remembered reading something in the $300k range for a GP. Could be wrong though. Either or it is still salty. Recouping $100k from a national weekend has to be tough. The insurance alone has to be astounding, not to mention track prep, facility prep, etc... If it were to rain on the weekend of your national, kiss any type of profit goodbye.

No hate towards DC for the price. He is clearly doing something right, hell if it were me I'd make it $200k
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First of all, anyone relating this to cycling and Lance Armstrong are completely out of line. Lance was bribed by USADA to admit to doping on...
First of all, anyone relating this to cycling and Lance Armstrong are completely out of line.

Lance was bribed by USADA to admit to doping on Oprah’s show. They were pissed after 15 years of bullying him he never failed one test. Lance was clean, open your eyes. All his teammates that came out against him were looking for a book deal.
My sarcasm meter is pegged, but I’m not certain that it’s working properly ........
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APLMAN99 wrote:
Because they, or another ‘worthy’ rider, is willing to perform the job for less than ‘a decent living’. There is no real reason to pay people...
Because they, or another ‘worthy’ rider, is willing to perform the job for less than ‘a decent living’.

There is no real reason to pay people more money to do a job than what they will accept. If people are willing to basically race for free, it ultimately lowers the potential earnings for everyone at that skill level.
Janko630 wrote:
Just how many 'worthy' racers do you think are out there?

Finding elite racers to fill a starting gate is not like staffing your local Chick-fil-A.
APLMAN99 wrote:
Well, ‘elite’ is fairly subjective but let’s just be aware that it is easy enough that you can charge people to do it. As best as...
Well, ‘elite’ is fairly subjective but let’s just be aware that it is easy enough that you can charge people to do it.

As best as I can tell, Chik-fil-A is not able to charge their employees a fee for the pleasure of being able to work there.

Bottom line is that there are enough racers out there that Feld/AMA/FIM are not in a position to need to raise prize money or eliminate entry fees. If the pool of willing talent were to dry up, they’d probably have to consider at least one of those things.

Supply of riders is higher than demand, so their cost remains low. If the supply drops below the demand, then their costs would naturally rise.

Basic macroeconomic concept.
So you'd be willing to watch lower quality racers who can't earn a salary?

Look at the executive pay scale at Clear Channel.

https://www1.salary.com/CLEAR-CHANNEL-OUTDOOR-HLDGS-Executive-Salaries…

I bet you their job isn't nearly as risky as a racers. Would it be greedy to ask for more?
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Janko630 wrote:
Just how many 'worthy' racers do you think are out there?

Finding elite racers to fill a starting gate is not like staffing your local Chick-fil-A.
APLMAN99 wrote:
Well, ‘elite’ is fairly subjective but let’s just be aware that it is easy enough that you can charge people to do it. As best as...
Well, ‘elite’ is fairly subjective but let’s just be aware that it is easy enough that you can charge people to do it.

As best as I can tell, Chik-fil-A is not able to charge their employees a fee for the pleasure of being able to work there.

Bottom line is that there are enough racers out there that Feld/AMA/FIM are not in a position to need to raise prize money or eliminate entry fees. If the pool of willing talent were to dry up, they’d probably have to consider at least one of those things.

Supply of riders is higher than demand, so their cost remains low. If the supply drops below the demand, then their costs would naturally rise.

Basic macroeconomic concept.
Janko630 wrote:
So you'd be willing to watch lower quality racers who can't earn a salary? Look at the executive pay scale at Clear Channel. https://www1.salary.com/CLEAR-CHANNEL-OUTDOOR-HLDGS-Executive-Salaries.html I bet...
So you'd be willing to watch lower quality racers who can't earn a salary?

Look at the executive pay scale at Clear Channel.

https://www1.salary.com/CLEAR-CHANNEL-OUTDOOR-HLDGS-Executive-Salaries…

I bet you their job isn't nearly as risky as a racers. Would it be greedy to ask for more?
You are completely missing my point.

Apparently we are already watching the caliber of racers who don't earn a salary, aren't we? Isn't that the 'complaint'?

And risk has really no bearing, as there are people who are still willing to PAY to take that risk without much of a guaranteed pay. Farm work is far more physically risky than being an executive at Clear Channel as well, but that isn't reflected in their pay either.

The fact is, the promoters/sanctioning bodies won't pay more unless they feel the need to because they can't fill the gates. No one, especially me, is saying that the riders are being greedy. In fact, I'd say just the opposite. They are willing to help finance the whole thing in order just to be on the stage. Perhaps too many of them are willing to do that, because if the number were too low then the promoters/sanctioning bodies would be forced to up the price that they are willing to pay for talent.
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I was brought into a meeting with the powers to be at the US Open at the MGM back in 2004. On teams and riders selling merchandise, the way it was explained to me was every stadium has a merchandise contract with a major vendor. When Supercross setups at a stadium, they have to track sales and pay the merchandise rights holder a fee, running somewhere between 28% to 45% of the retail sales price. If the rights holder figures out that you shorted them, there is a major financial penalty. Their position was if they let every team and privateer sale t-shirts and hats they would have to have accurate sales numbers from each teams and riders, collect the rights holder fees on those sales, and satisfy the rights holders they had been paid in full to avoid a financial penalty. Basically no way to accurately track sales of all the teams and riders.
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