Mike grondahl gypsy tales podcast is unreal

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I saw a short clip.... Man it was hard to watch.
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All I heard were the sound of lighters being sparked. Weird.
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Cliff notes?
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Cliff notes?
Mike shares a few whack but interesting ideas. I thought it was really interesting to hear a successful multi millionaire's take on how the sport is poorly run.

He also pretty says all the top guys are on peds.

Gives clarity surrounding the dungey/geico saga.

To name a few.
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fanger wrote:
Mike shares a few whack but interesting ideas. I thought it was really interesting to hear a successful multi millionaire's take on how the sport is...
Mike shares a few whack but interesting ideas. I thought it was really interesting to hear a successful multi millionaire's take on how the sport is poorly run.

He also pretty says all the top guys are on peds.

Gives clarity surrounding the dungey/geico saga.

To name a few.
Doesn't matter how many insiders in how many sports come out and talk about the rampant PED use among top athletes, people still bury their heads in the sand.
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fanger wrote:
Mike shares a few whack but interesting ideas. I thought it was really interesting to hear a successful multi millionaire's take on how the sport is...
Mike shares a few whack but interesting ideas. I thought it was really interesting to hear a successful multi millionaire's take on how the sport is poorly run.

He also pretty says all the top guys are on peds.

Gives clarity surrounding the dungey/geico saga.

To name a few.
Yammyam wrote:
Doesn't matter how many insiders in how many sports come out and talk about the rampant PED use among top athletes, people still bury their heads...
Doesn't matter how many insiders in how many sports come out and talk about the rampant PED use among top athletes, people still bury their heads in the sand.
Yea it's crazy. Any professional sport is going to have rampant PED use but people choose to remain ignorant about it.

Interesting podcast because Mike is a legit businessman but the host of that podcast is really hard to listen to.
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Why are people acting like anything extraordinary was said? Listened to the whole thing and just sounded like two guys who love dirt bikes having a chinwag.
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This sport so is backwards it's not even funny. It's not unlike the rest of action sports.

The nationals is run by the same people who own the biggest media source in the sport. If you think mathes isn't a puppet for the sponsors of the series you are ignorant or naïve. It would be like ESPN owning the NBA. Imagine Stephen A Smith not being able to say what he really feels.

Half of the people running teams are ex riders or mechanics who barely have a high school education, it's wonder how any of these teams can survive financially.

You have someone like Rutledge who comes in to tries to broaden the audience you guys bitch and complain because he's not core enough. (hate to break it to you but more people know and care about rutledge wood than Daniel Blair or DV)

We just ignore the rampant PED usage, anytime someone gets popped they are a victim.

The riders and teams are beholden to the circus company. No one gets to sell their own merch at the stadiums, yet feld gets to sell J. Hill hats and JGR team shirts from 3 years ago?

I love this sport, but Grondahl is spot on with most of what he said. I don't blame him for having a chip on his shoulder.






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The guy does seem like a total whack job but I loved the interview. Not many team owners really tell the media anything worth reporting on. Nice to get an inside view on what goes down.
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Ruttledge defense? Seriously.

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Even Gypsy had to put the brakes on with the "Matthes has orders from the top"...what a stupid tin foil hat comment.
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Lol who gives a shit if he’s rich. He’s peddling crackpot ideas with zero proof or substantiation. Next....
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Grondahl does a lot of talking out of his ass. He just whines, complains and rambles about everything. I don't get the impression he actually has information, just suspicions and assumptions like the rest of us. He became a head ache and was shut out at FC pretty early on in his ownership.

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Even Gypsy had to put the brakes on with the "Matthes has orders from the top"...what a stupid tin foil hat comment.
The only thing "the top" has ordered from Matthes is more "Re-Raceables" with Weege and more in-house co-hosting (and the ensuing hot takes) from DV12.

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This sport so is backwards it's not even funny. It's not unlike the rest of action sports. The nationals is run by the same people who...
This sport so is backwards it's not even funny. It's not unlike the rest of action sports.

The nationals is run by the same people who own the biggest media source in the sport. If you think mathes isn't a puppet for the sponsors of the series you are ignorant or naïve. It would be like ESPN owning the NBA. Imagine Stephen A Smith not being able to say what he really feels.

Half of the people running teams are ex riders or mechanics who barely have a high school education, it's wonder how any of these teams can survive financially.

You have someone like Rutledge who comes in to tries to broaden the audience you guys bitch and complain because he's not core enough. (hate to break it to you but more people know and care about rutledge wood than Daniel Blair or DV)

We just ignore the rampant PED usage, anytime someone gets popped they are a victim.

The riders and teams are beholden to the circus company. No one gets to sell their own merch at the stadiums, yet feld gets to sell J. Hill hats and JGR team shirts from 3 years ago?

I love this sport, but Grondahl is spot on with most of what he said. I don't blame him for having a chip on his shoulder.






Congrats on bundling pretty much every hot button bitch-'n-moan from the sport in...well, forever, in one tidy package.

I generally chuckle at any reference that starts with, "In this sport..." I guess people don't realize that people use the same phrase in nearly any sport or industry.

Everyone seems awfully sure that, "All the top guys are on PEDs," but no one has ever shown me any evidence of it. Maybe I'll have to eat my words someday. I hope I don't. But it sure is easy to smear a group of people without evidence.

In case anyone missed it, they did do WADA drug tests on a number of riders after the third round in Arlington. Roczen, Webb, Anderson, and Ferrandis were among the riders I saw with WADA monitors afterwards.
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Congrats on bundling pretty much every hot button bitch-'n-moan from the sport in...well, forever, in one tidy package. I generally chuckle at any reference that starts...
Congrats on bundling pretty much every hot button bitch-'n-moan from the sport in...well, forever, in one tidy package.

I generally chuckle at any reference that starts with, "In this sport..." I guess people don't realize that people use the same phrase in nearly any sport or industry.

Everyone seems awfully sure that, "All the top guys are on PEDs," but no one has ever shown me any evidence of it. Maybe I'll have to eat my words someday. I hope I don't. But it sure is easy to smear a group of people without evidence.

In case anyone missed it, they did do WADA drug tests on a number of riders after the third round in Arlington. Roczen, Webb, Anderson, and Ferrandis were among the riders I saw with WADA monitors afterwards.
I think some people want to believe that "all the top guys are doing PEDs" in MX/SX. Belief vs. truth...funny how people make up their minds about stuff.

Since I have zero insight into what any of the top guys are doing, my "belief" is that some guys are probably pushing the boundaries, but it seems unlikely that it's as widespread as many other sports. There are so many other variables (bike handling skills, mechanical performance, plain ole talent, mental acuity for handling the overload of information for 35+2, etc.) in MX that make pure cardio an important factor, but by no means the predominant thing. Not saying it's not super important, but so are half a dozen other pieces to the puzzle.

When I look at bicycle racing, running, MMA, etc. (especially in the lighter weight classes, where their pace is just unbelievable), my gut tells me that it's a much bigger problem.
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4/6/2021 11:17am Edited Date/Time 4/6/2021 11:55am
I'm 1h into the show... Why would you ask a guy who failed at everything he touched in moto to fix the sport? Would you ask Donald how to run a casino or an airline business successfully? (I might get heat from this but I couldn't think of another parallel with this impact, sorry if I offended anyone)

Sports are successful with 2 things and 2 things only... Eye balls and TV rights redistributed to teams/clubs. Real Madrid, Manchester United, Dodgers, Lakers and so on would die without their TV rights money/packages.

To get eye balls you need to make the sport very accessible and free. That's the "invest in yourself" part. When you build an audience of followers and a viewership, you can then take it to channels, streaming devices and other platform to deal with TV rights. The more the followers the more the network can sell ads and can spend on TV rights.

Nowadays, we (the sport) either pay to be on TV or, like SX, the promoter keeps the TV rights money (if they still get any anymore. They were with FOX so I'm assuming they still are) and doesn't redistribute like other sports. That's the issue with having a promoter instead of a league. In that interview, they talk about not having capitalism in the sport and being an issue. Promotors are a capitalism model. They make money. They keep the profits. Leagues are more on a social model, they grow the sport the most they can, they get the most money they can for their products and they redistribute to clubs/teams etc...

Selling T-Shirts and hoodies won't grow the sport...

You don't have to reinvent the wheel. The business model of successful sports has been known by many. We just have to put it in place in our sport...
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I'm 1h into the show... Why would you ask a guy who failed at everything he touched in moto to fix the sport? Would you ask...
I'm 1h into the show... Why would you ask a guy who failed at everything he touched in moto to fix the sport? Would you ask Donald how to run a casino or an airline business successfully? (I might get heat from this but I couldn't think of another parallel with this impact, sorry if I offended anyone)

Sports are successful with 2 things and 2 things only... Eye balls and TV rights redistributed to teams/clubs. Real Madrid, Manchester United, Dodgers, Lakers and so on would die without their TV rights money/packages.

To get eye balls you need to make the sport very accessible and free. That's the "invest in yourself" part. When you build an audience of followers and a viewership, you can then take it to channels, streaming devices and other platform to deal with TV rights. The more the followers the more the network can sell ads and can spend on TV rights.

Nowadays, we (the sport) either pay to be on TV or, like SX, the promoter keeps the TV rights money (if they still get any anymore. They were with FOX so I'm assuming they still are) and doesn't redistribute like other sports. That's the issue with having a promoter instead of a league. In that interview, they talk about not having capitalism in the sport and being an issue. Promotors are a capitalism model. They make money. They keep the profits. Leagues are more on a social model, they grow the sport the most they can, they get the most money they can for their products and they redistribute to clubs/teams etc...

Selling T-Shirts and hoodies won't grow the sport...

You don't have to reinvent the wheel. The business model of successful sports has been known by many. We just have to put it in place in our sport...
But what if you're wrong?










Sorry DV. I had to do it. I enjoy your insight.
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But what if you're wrong?










Sorry DV. I had to do it. I enjoy your insight.
lol....perfect! ^^^^


We all know Buttrege is on PEDs (Pathetic enhancing drugs)

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As always, DV is spot on. Perfect parallel and great ideas about empowering teams and riders
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Even Gypsy had to put the brakes on with the "Matthes has orders from the top"...what a stupid tin foil hat comment.
How could he not? The guy signing his paycheck runs the biggest media source in our sport and the nationals. Its not a conspiracy, its smart business. I can promise you if Matthes started bagging on any of the title sponsors or MXSports that DC would put a gag on it pronto.
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seth505 wrote:
Even Gypsy had to put the brakes on with the "Matthes has orders from the top"...what a stupid tin foil hat comment.
RonJon wrote:
How could he not? The guy signing his paycheck runs the biggest media source in our sport and the nationals. Its not a conspiracy, its smart...
How could he not? The guy signing his paycheck runs the biggest media source in our sport and the nationals. Its not a conspiracy, its smart business. I can promise you if Matthes started bagging on any of the title sponsors or MXSports that DC would put a gag on it pronto.
Yup Steve is always pumping up Monster, the biggest spender in the sport....whoops guess there goes your theory...
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The guy typing in English as a Second Language makes more sense than some of the American "gatekeepers" lol
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seth505 wrote:
Even Gypsy had to put the brakes on with the "Matthes has orders from the top"...what a stupid tin foil hat comment.
RonJon wrote:
How could he not? The guy signing his paycheck runs the biggest media source in our sport and the nationals. Its not a conspiracy, its smart...
How could he not? The guy signing his paycheck runs the biggest media source in our sport and the nationals. Its not a conspiracy, its smart business. I can promise you if Matthes started bagging on any of the title sponsors or MXSports that DC would put a gag on it pronto.
But which sponsor would he bag on? For what reason? If they did something stupid, he's a journalist and pundit with his own opinions, so have-at--it's his job to be critical.

And Matthes does way more on his own with Pulp MX than he does as a contributor here at Racer X. And for what it's worth, it's getting harder and harder to find great contributors like Matthes or writers like Eric Johnson and Jason Weigandt and Brett Smith and David Pingree because most of the young talent out there writes in social media-sized bits now. There are not a lot of people coming up through the media ranks that have the understanding, the discipline and the work ethic of guys like Matthes. And here's one for you: If he didn't write for Racer X, which other magazine magazine that's still out there there would hire him to write about SX/MX? It's a small carousel nowadays, so Steve mostly does his own work, and "the top" has zero say there, so why even bother when he's critical of "the top" and the series sponsors, because chances are very good that he has a very good reason...

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seth505 wrote:
Even Gypsy had to put the brakes on with the "Matthes has orders from the top"...what a stupid tin foil hat comment.
RonJon wrote:
How could he not? The guy signing his paycheck runs the biggest media source in our sport and the nationals. Its not a conspiracy, its smart...
How could he not? The guy signing his paycheck runs the biggest media source in our sport and the nationals. Its not a conspiracy, its smart business. I can promise you if Matthes started bagging on any of the title sponsors or MXSports that DC would put a gag on it pronto.
how often do you listen to pulp?
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seth505 wrote:
Even Gypsy had to put the brakes on with the "Matthes has orders from the top"...what a stupid tin foil hat comment.
RonJon wrote:
How could he not? The guy signing his paycheck runs the biggest media source in our sport and the nationals. Its not a conspiracy, its smart...
How could he not? The guy signing his paycheck runs the biggest media source in our sport and the nationals. Its not a conspiracy, its smart business. I can promise you if Matthes started bagging on any of the title sponsors or MXSports that DC would put a gag on it pronto.
yak651 wrote:
Yup Steve is always pumping up Monster, the biggest spender in the sport....whoops guess there goes your theory...
Monster isn't the title sponsor for the nationals last time I checked.
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dv12.com wrote:
I'm 1h into the show... Why would you ask a guy who failed at everything he touched in moto to fix the sport? Would you ask...
I'm 1h into the show... Why would you ask a guy who failed at everything he touched in moto to fix the sport? Would you ask Donald how to run a casino or an airline business successfully? (I might get heat from this but I couldn't think of another parallel with this impact, sorry if I offended anyone)

Sports are successful with 2 things and 2 things only... Eye balls and TV rights redistributed to teams/clubs. Real Madrid, Manchester United, Dodgers, Lakers and so on would die without their TV rights money/packages.

To get eye balls you need to make the sport very accessible and free. That's the "invest in yourself" part. When you build an audience of followers and a viewership, you can then take it to channels, streaming devices and other platform to deal with TV rights. The more the followers the more the network can sell ads and can spend on TV rights.

Nowadays, we (the sport) either pay to be on TV or, like SX, the promoter keeps the TV rights money (if they still get any anymore. They were with FOX so I'm assuming they still are) and doesn't redistribute like other sports. That's the issue with having a promoter instead of a league. In that interview, they talk about not having capitalism in the sport and being an issue. Promotors are a capitalism model. They make money. They keep the profits. Leagues are more on a social model, they grow the sport the most they can, they get the most money they can for their products and they redistribute to clubs/teams etc...

Selling T-Shirts and hoodies won't grow the sport...

You don't have to reinvent the wheel. The business model of successful sports has been known by many. We just have to put it in place in our sport...
Wait Wait Wait......

So you're saying Racing/Teams would be better off as a league format.. Now that's interesting. I never thought of that
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seth505 wrote:
Even Gypsy had to put the brakes on with the "Matthes has orders from the top"...what a stupid tin foil hat comment.
RonJon wrote:
How could he not? The guy signing his paycheck runs the biggest media source in our sport and the nationals. Its not a conspiracy, its smart...
How could he not? The guy signing his paycheck runs the biggest media source in our sport and the nationals. Its not a conspiracy, its smart business. I can promise you if Matthes started bagging on any of the title sponsors or MXSports that DC would put a gag on it pronto.
I think if you comprehend how sponsorships work then it all makes sense. For example, Intense bicycles and Yamaha motorcycles. Matthes is always hooting and hollering "blucru". That isn't some elaborate scheme from a puppet master.
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