Brayton crash at Arlington 2

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I did not see this discussed anywhere else, but JB put this up on IG today (could a moderator please embed). That was a seriously bad crash, he's lucky not to be worse off.


Can we talk about what exactly is going on with the Muc-Off bikes this season? Oldenburg had a bike lock up too and I think Harrison has also had some engine problems, though fortunately not a failure on an obstacle.

Reed's comment in there, always stirring.
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Ryan625 3/17/2021 10:53pm
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That’s terrifying! I’ve locked up two bikes in the air, most horrifying feeling ever in mx/sx.

Glad he is ok after that one!
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Reed's comment:

Why I started Twotwo and ran my own programs. People called me a lot of things but health is always the priority!
I never trusted anyone with my bikes, sorry to see this mate!
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Motofinne 3/17/2021 11:28pm
3/17/2021 11:28pm Edited Date/Time 3/17/2021 11:30pm
Scary stuff, they need to get this sorted out. That was what, the 5th engine/mechanical failure of the season?
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MelonFan123 3/17/2021 11:31pm
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Motofinne wrote:
Scary stuff, they need to get this sorted out. That was what, the 5th engine/mechanical failure of the season?
I was just about to comment the same thing. I figured the 250 problems was them probably running close to the edge of reliability trying to squeeze every ounce of power out. But having their 450 bike lock up too...

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SydAus 3/17/2021 11:32pm
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I just wish for the sake of keeping such a big new sponsor like Muc Off interested in staying in the sport that JB had taken his Instagram down once the negative comments about the team/engines got out of hand. Getting new businesses interested is hard enough
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StartedTooLate 3/17/2021 11:36pm
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A 450 motor failure in Supercross? That just should not happen. Get well soon JB.
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Motofinne 3/17/2021 11:40pm
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Motofinne wrote:
Scary stuff, they need to get this sorted out. That was what, the 5th engine/mechanical failure of the season?
MelonFan123 wrote:
I was just about to comment the same thing. I figured the 250 problems was them probably running close to the edge of reliability trying to...
I was just about to comment the same thing. I figured the 250 problems was them probably running close to the edge of reliability trying to squeeze every ounce of power out. But having their 450 bike lock up too...
Yeah a 450 locking up is not acceptable. What's weird is that i don't think they had a single issue last year with Clout and Blose on the 250. What has changed?
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SilverSpurs 3/18/2021 1:22am
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Motofinne wrote:
Scary stuff, they need to get this sorted out. That was what, the 5th engine/mechanical failure of the season?
MelonFan123 wrote:
I was just about to comment the same thing. I figured the 250 problems was them probably running close to the edge of reliability trying to...
I was just about to comment the same thing. I figured the 250 problems was them probably running close to the edge of reliability trying to squeeze every ounce of power out. But having their 450 bike lock up too...
Motofinne wrote:
Yeah a 450 locking up is not acceptable. What's weird is that i don't think they had a single issue last year with Clout and Blose...
Yeah a 450 locking up is not acceptable. What's weird is that i don't think they had a single issue last year with Clout and Blose on the 250. What has changed?
My guess is poor spannering and something has come loose and jammed the engine or transmission.

I've seen clutch spring bolts back out and lock an engine running under low load.
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SilverSpurs 3/18/2021 1:23am
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Motofinne wrote:
Scary stuff, they need to get this sorted out. That was what, the 5th engine/mechanical failure of the season?
MelonFan123 wrote:
I was just about to comment the same thing. I figured the 250 problems was them probably running close to the edge of reliability trying to...
I was just about to comment the same thing. I figured the 250 problems was them probably running close to the edge of reliability trying to squeeze every ounce of power out. But having their 450 bike lock up too...
Motofinne wrote:
Yeah a 450 locking up is not acceptable. What's weird is that i don't think they had a single issue last year with Clout and Blose...
Yeah a 450 locking up is not acceptable. What's weird is that i don't think they had a single issue last year with Clout and Blose on the 250. What has changed?
Possibly the mechanic/s- and the budget.
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fullfloater 3/18/2021 1:27am
3/18/2021 1:27am
Man, and he said that he was riding tentative because he was still in pain (sternum?) and was scared of crashing.
Dirtydeeds 3/18/2021 2:23am
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First thing I thought when I saw him walkin off was he’s gotta be thinkin about callin it quits. Totally makes sense at this point although it would be a bummer to see as JB’s one of the good guys.
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cloud41 3/18/2021 5:14am
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I think this goes beyond the muc off bikes. I have been seeing a handful of four strokes shutting off recently...
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BobPA 3/18/2021 5:29am
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cloud41 wrote:
I think this goes beyond the muc off bikes. I have been seeing a handful of four strokes shutting off recently...
It goes beyond dirt bikes. Parts break, just the way of motorsports.... especially if you are pushing the limits.
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cloud41 wrote:
I think this goes beyond the muc off bikes. I have been seeing a handful of four strokes shutting off recently...
BobPA wrote:
It goes beyond dirt bikes. Parts break, just the way of motorsports.... especially if you are pushing the limits.
Yeah, nah.

Professional motorsports is well past taking chances on lifed parts.

Modern QA'd, cnc manufactured stuff is remarkably good..

Human error with the spannering and lack of budget to replace worn or lifed stuff.

Hope JB is good.
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brimx153 3/20/2021 4:05am
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Imo its simple. A team with a very small budget, but with bikes that are holeshoting and getting great starts every race . Something has to give . Its easy make a ton of power . If u can rebuild the full engine after every supercross. They are probably just trying to stretch things . In fairness to them shit happens too . Brand new rods break etc . Feel bad for them , and riders . Getting a great start is the difference between having a great results and terrible results. So not just as easy as make the bikes slower
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Radfonz 3/20/2021 5:29am
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Problem was a decomp failure. Not mechanics fault.
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Riesenberg448 3/20/2021 5:40am
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Motofinne wrote:
Scary stuff, they need to get this sorted out. That was what, the 5th engine/mechanical failure of the season?
MelonFan123 wrote:
I was just about to comment the same thing. I figured the 250 problems was them probably running close to the edge of reliability trying to...
I was just about to comment the same thing. I figured the 250 problems was them probably running close to the edge of reliability trying to squeeze every ounce of power out. But having their 450 bike lock up too...
Motofinne wrote:
Yeah a 450 locking up is not acceptable. What's weird is that i don't think they had a single issue last year with Clout and Blose...
Yeah a 450 locking up is not acceptable. What's weird is that i don't think they had a single issue last year with Clout and Blose on the 250. What has changed?
Blose wasn't on the same stuff racing for the record...

On the same point, a lot of guy use the same, very well respected engine guy and sometimes bad stuff happens.

The same engine guy does the Club bikes for example that have been killing it the past two years.

I wouldn't pile on the engine builder. Crap happens in motorsports.
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BobPA 3/20/2021 6:00am
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cloud41 wrote:
I think this goes beyond the muc off bikes. I have been seeing a handful of four strokes shutting off recently...
BobPA wrote:
It goes beyond dirt bikes. Parts break, just the way of motorsports.... especially if you are pushing the limits.
SilverSpurs wrote:
Yeah, nah. Professional motorsports is well past taking chances on lifed parts. Modern QA'd, cnc manufactured stuff is remarkably good.. Human error with the spannering and...
Yeah, nah.

Professional motorsports is well past taking chances on lifed parts.

Modern QA'd, cnc manufactured stuff is remarkably good..

Human error with the spannering and lack of budget to replace worn or lifed stuff.

Hope JB is good.
Yeah..... yeah. Brand new parts still break. Brand New bikes blow up with an hour on them. Nascar engines blow up, F1 engines blow up, and their budget is limitless.

The point still remains, things break and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Engine failure is a part of motorsports, and will be until people stop racing.
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daemon616 3/20/2021 6:40am
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That looked just like the Miller crash in the 250s. Glad he's OK.
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Cygrace74 3/20/2021 8:50am
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Looks an awful lot like Oldenburgs crash on the same team. That team has had there share of mechanicals this year
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SilverSpurs 3/20/2021 9:38am
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Radfonz wrote:
Problem was a decomp failure. Not mechanics fault.
How can you be sure it wasn't the mechanics fault?

Do you know how it failed?
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BobPA wrote:
It goes beyond dirt bikes. Parts break, just the way of motorsports.... especially if you are pushing the limits.
SilverSpurs wrote:
Yeah, nah. Professional motorsports is well past taking chances on lifed parts. Modern QA'd, cnc manufactured stuff is remarkably good.. Human error with the spannering and...
Yeah, nah.

Professional motorsports is well past taking chances on lifed parts.

Modern QA'd, cnc manufactured stuff is remarkably good..

Human error with the spannering and lack of budget to replace worn or lifed stuff.

Hope JB is good.
BobPA wrote:
Yeah..... yeah. Brand new parts still break. Brand New bikes blow up with an hour on them. Nascar engines blow up, F1 engines blow up, and...
Yeah..... yeah. Brand new parts still break. Brand New bikes blow up with an hour on them. Nascar engines blow up, F1 engines blow up, and their budget is limitless.

The point still remains, things break and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Engine failure is a part of motorsports, and will be until people stop racing.
Yeah..all that.

Single cylinder dirt bikes are pretty simple jiggers though.

Humans are pattern seeking animals, and I'm seeing a pattern.

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