Pro's and Con's of 2 strokes

Spudnut
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2/23/2021 6:08pm
2 stroke con: drowning in puss
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Chance1216
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2/23/2021 7:12pm
Spudnut wrote:
2 stroke con: drowning in puss

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2/23/2021 8:47pm
Pros - too many to mention
Cons - They cause accidents on the freeways when gawkers stare at your bike in awe and then they rear end someone else


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rjg
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2/23/2021 9:30pm Edited Date/Time 2/23/2021 9:30pm
Pro - pu$$y
Con - believe or not, too much pu$$y
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2/23/2021 9:34pm
One pro I haven't seen mentioned yet; 2-strokes just don't overheat like the 4-strokes do. In a mudder the smoker may pass a lot of dead or wounded thumpers.
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Mikey150
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Pro
You can use your left over 2 stroke fuel with Motul 800 in it in your 4 stroke lawn mower, still going strong with 10 years later with no air filter in it.
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bvm111
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2/23/2021 10:05pm
They still dub over four strokes with two stroke braaaaap braaaap sounds.... should be pretty easy to figure out that that’s the only pro we need to know, everything no matter how bad ass still wants to be a two stroke!
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2/23/2021 11:17pm
EngIceDave wrote:
It is MUCH MORE DIFFICULT to ride a 2 stroke fast. You have to learn how to "keep it on the pipe" The power will not...
It is MUCH MORE DIFFICULT to ride a 2 stroke fast.

You have to learn how to "keep it on the pipe"
The power will not be a tractor off the bottom like your four stroke.
When a two stroke hits that power, for anyone not familiar, it'll feel like a light switch.

THAT IS THE CON TO A TWO STROKE

It is harder to go fast.
It is the best education in going fast you'll ever get, everyone should do it.

But don't think it's easier, it's not.

The reason a lot of people go from a two stroke to four is because it's easier to go faster on a four stroke.


Yup. It took real skill to ride a 2-stroke at a higher level.

Only needing to blip the throttle 3 times in 2nd gear on a 4-stroke thru a rhythm section....yawn.



2/23/2021 11:47pm
22 hours on my new 2019 SX 250 in three months.
After 3 years of 4 strokes (kxf 250) this was the bike i was looking for.
Ton of bottom-mid and doesn't hit really hard.
I freaking love it. Good brakes, decent suspension (i hate the shock but that's ok 😂)
Never felt better on a bike. Highly recommending you a 19+ SX/TC 250.
I had the chanche to ride a YZ, not my type of bike.
Engine hitting too hard and has no bottom-mid.
The chassis is feeling old style. The brakes are not really good.
The only positive thing of a YZ are the KYB forks
Alan Dove
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The only con is having to ride with a constant erection.
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cloud41
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2/24/2021 4:41am
Andy7 wrote:
Pro: They make you want to ride.
That's all you need to know.
X2. Four strokes are boring relative to two strokes.
2/24/2021 6:32am
EngIceDave wrote:
Your 150 is fine, dude
i got a 125. bout 20 less horses than a 150
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Teejay
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2/24/2021 7:01am
EngIceDave wrote:
Your 150 is fine, dude
i got a 125. bout 20 less horses than a 150
What did you buy a DT?!
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sparker245
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2/24/2021 7:36am
Andy7 wrote:
Pro: They make you want to ride.
That's all you need to know.
Andy7 for the win.
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need2ride
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You get a wallet speaking thread on Vital when you buy one.
EngIceDave
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2/24/2021 10:39am Edited Date/Time 2/24/2021 10:41am
EngIceDave wrote:
Your 150 is fine, dude
i got a 125. bout 20 less horses than a 150
OK, good for you.

What did you get?

Don't let these guys fool you about all the pussy they pull.....it's even worse.

But you'll be ok, you're riding moto helps with the core strength.....chicks dig core strength

Now you got to learn how to go fast.

Here is my tip for you....DO NOT TAKE THIS 100% LITERALLY....get it? It's the concept you need to get.

Ready?
Rev it til you think it's going to blow up, then shift. The real meat of the power is likely far after when you're shifting. It's normal.

Learn to listen to and FEEL that engine in your hands and ass. Ride as fast as you can and in about 3rd or 4th, keep revving that engine until you feel like it's actually slowing a teeny tiny bit....If you can feel that, you felt it at the top of the powerband, the peak, and then you felt it fall off (you went past the peak power).

On a 125 (or 50/65/85) you want to shift right about when that power is falling off, in each gear.

Then you have to learn to keep it there....ALL THE TIME...that's called "keeping it on the pipe"
When you find that sweet spot, you'll get a big ass grin, because then you'll get it.

Big thing you need to remember, being fast and being good is not one or two things, it is a million tiny things like hand placement, elbows, where you look, line choices, race craft.....Learn, learn, learn.

Go to a local track, a real track, and learn.

People at tracks are usually super helpful, just ask someone to help you, and they will!
This I promise.

No one here will disagree.
zehn
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2/24/2021 10:45am
EngIceDave wrote:
I will say this, Kid

Two stroke is WAY LESS EXPENSIVE to repair if you blow it up.
Upkeep is cheaper too
Upkeep being cheaper is a myth and modern 4 strokes are far, far more reliable than 2 strokes. This isn't even debatable. I can't believe you guys still parrot this shit like it is fact
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EngIceDave
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2/24/2021 11:23am
You did see where it says "if you blow it up," right?

I could be wrong, but last I checked, if you blow up/seize/trash a four stroke piston/engine it's far more expensive to fix than a two-stroke

I COULD BE WRONG

But, somehow, I don't think I am
DuroTools
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2/24/2021 12:04pm
EngIceDave wrote:
You did see where it says "if you blow it up," right? I could be wrong, but last I checked, if you blow up/seize/trash a four...
You did see where it says "if you blow it up," right?

I could be wrong, but last I checked, if you blow up/seize/trash a four stroke piston/engine it's far more expensive to fix than a two-stroke

I COULD BE WRONG

But, somehow, I don't think I am
Guess it depends all on how it " blows up", if you trash your piston and cylinder I'd say they are about equal to repair. Now if you do head damage that is where a 4 stroke gets way more expensive!
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2/24/2021 12:47pm Edited Date/Time 2/24/2021 12:48pm
EngIceDave wrote:
You did see where it says "if you blow it up," right? I could be wrong, but last I checked, if you blow up/seize/trash a four...
You did see where it says "if you blow it up," right?

I could be wrong, but last I checked, if you blow up/seize/trash a four stroke piston/engine it's far more expensive to fix than a two-stroke

I COULD BE WRONG

But, somehow, I don't think I am
You would have to be extremely negligent to blow up a 4 stroke to the point of doing head damage or damage to the rods, crank, valves etc.


It isn't 2004 anymore so maybe stop acting like every bike is a 2004 CRF250
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2/24/2021 7:22pm
EngIceDave wrote:
You did see where it says "if you blow it up," right? I could be wrong, but last I checked, if you blow up/seize/trash a four...
You did see where it says "if you blow it up," right?

I could be wrong, but last I checked, if you blow up/seize/trash a four stroke piston/engine it's far more expensive to fix than a two-stroke

I COULD BE WRONG

But, somehow, I don't think I am
zehn wrote:
You would have to be extremely negligent to blow up a 4 stroke to the point of doing head damage or damage to the rods, crank...
You would have to be extremely negligent to blow up a 4 stroke to the point of doing head damage or damage to the rods, crank, valves etc.


It isn't 2004 anymore so maybe stop acting like every bike is a 2004 CRF250
Lol, it ain’t that hard for a lot of people. It happens way more often than you think.
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