The lost MX vs ATV reflex source code...

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Edited Date/Time 2/19/2021 8:43am
So, This proves it can be done 100%... https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/02/coders-reverse-engineer-grand-theft-autos-raw-pc-source-code/

- Alot of people say oh it was lost permanently, i definitely beg to differ at this point.
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Well....someone let nordic know
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Can someone explain to my stupid ass what is going on here?
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Munson'd wrote:
Can someone explain to my stupid ass what is going on here?
Greatest moto video game of all time, BAR NONE.

This guy is suggesting that there is enough to talent in the moto community to successfully reverse code this game.
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I trust Marx's statement on this

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Munson'd wrote:
Can someone explain to my stupid ass what is going on here?
Skerby wrote:
Greatest moto video game of all time, BAR NONE. This guy is suggesting that there is enough to talent in the moto community to successfully reverse...
Greatest moto video game of all time, BAR NONE.

This guy is suggesting that there is enough to talent in the moto community to successfully reverse code this game.
Are we talking PC, Xbox or PS3??
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Munson'd wrote:
Can someone explain to my stupid ass what is going on here?
Skerby wrote:
Greatest moto video game of all time, BAR NONE. This guy is suggesting that there is enough to talent in the moto community to successfully reverse...
Greatest moto video game of all time, BAR NONE.

This guy is suggesting that there is enough to talent in the moto community to successfully reverse code this game.
Ah yes, I own the game for ps3 and am a major fan. What would "reversing the code" do for this game?
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Munson'd wrote:
Can someone explain to my stupid ass what is going on here?
Skerby wrote:
Greatest moto video game of all time, BAR NONE. This guy is suggesting that there is enough to talent in the moto community to successfully reverse...
Greatest moto video game of all time, BAR NONE.

This guy is suggesting that there is enough to talent in the moto community to successfully reverse code this game.
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Ah yes, I own the game for ps3 and am a major fan. What would "reversing the code" do for this game?
Well it'd let whatever studio owns MX vs ATV take the Reflex code and create Reflex 2, which I think would be insanely popular. People still create and race custom tracks on Reflex to this day (computer).
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Munson'd wrote:
Can someone explain to my stupid ass what is going on here?
Skerby wrote:
Greatest moto video game of all time, BAR NONE. This guy is suggesting that there is enough to talent in the moto community to successfully reverse...
Greatest moto video game of all time, BAR NONE.

This guy is suggesting that there is enough to talent in the moto community to successfully reverse code this game.
Munson'd wrote:
Ah yes, I own the game for ps3 and am a major fan. What would "reversing the code" do for this game?
make the newer supercross games play just like reflex, or make something better
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thatswhathappens 2/16/2021 8:26pm
2/16/2021 8:26pm Edited Date/Time 2/16/2021 8:30pm
GTA3 is going to have A LOT more people interested in figuring out how the code works than a niche action-sport game like Reflex. It may be possible, but who's going to try (or pay someone to try) to figure it out?

I would pay so much money for a Reflex remaster. Scrubbing in that game was effortless, and it made pushing through jumps and carrying speed so crucial to fast laps.
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Im gonna have to get it for my ps3 then…. My previous favorite was supercross circuit on ps1 dam I got good at that game
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5-step guide to make casual moto-gamers drool:
1.) Reflex jump-physics
2.) Relfex-ish terrain deformation
3.) Milestone graphics & customisation (with decent number fonts and sizes - ffs)
4.) Good track editor
5.) DON'T re-release it every year for 40 bucks for what is basically roster update.

1-step guide to make hardcore moto-gamers drool:
1.) Install MX Simulator
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EZZA 95B 2/17/2021 2:10am
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Marx just needs to do his 'scraping' on that code then.
Pretty sure it was Kellen that said it couldn't be done on PulpMX a couple of weeks ago.
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thepelican 2/17/2021 2:24am
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The Company that coded the Reflex physics now belongs to Amazon so let's just pray Mr. Bezos reads this
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thrillbillie91 2/17/2021 2:34am
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Let’s hope so! Still the best game in my opinion too!
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Last Braaap wrote:
[b]5-step guide to make casual moto-gamers drool:[/b] 1.) Reflex jump-physics 2.) Relfex-ish terrain deformation 3.) Milestone graphics & customisation (with decent number fonts and sizes -...
5-step guide to make casual moto-gamers drool:
1.) Reflex jump-physics
2.) Relfex-ish terrain deformation
3.) Milestone graphics & customisation (with decent number fonts and sizes - ffs)
4.) Good track editor
5.) DON'T re-release it every year for 40 bucks for what is basically roster update.

1-step guide to make hardcore moto-gamers drool:
1.) Install MX Simulator
Id add to that to make mx sim with 2021 graphics. That alone will cure coronavirus
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I think the speed/sizes of the jumps in Reflex were ridiculously large like all of their arcade games. I'm not even a big fan of the physics, everything is too fast and floaty. MES has they physics down, they just need terrain deformation and some better controls for the bike vertically (to get those whips everybody likes).
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kNewc wrote:
I think the speed/sizes of the jumps in Reflex were ridiculously large like all of their arcade games. I'm not even a big fan of the...
I think the speed/sizes of the jumps in Reflex were ridiculously large like all of their arcade games. I'm not even a big fan of the physics, everything is too fast and floaty. MES has they physics down, they just need terrain deformation and some better controls for the bike vertically (to get those whips everybody likes).
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kNewc wrote:
I think the speed/sizes of the jumps in Reflex were ridiculously large like all of their arcade games. I'm not even a big fan of the...
I think the speed/sizes of the jumps in Reflex were ridiculously large like all of their arcade games. I'm not even a big fan of the physics, everything is too fast and floaty. MES has they physics down, they just need terrain deformation and some better controls for the bike vertically (to get those whips everybody likes).
One problem i have with Milestone's air-physics is the fact that they absolutely missed the point of air physics. And someone like AJ Catanzaro should give them a few lessons about advanced riding.

Let me explain:
You don't whip/scrub in the middle of air as a free time leisure cuz it looks cool.You do it ON THE FACE OF THE JUMP so you don't go into a exosphere after take off. In reflex you can almost drag your pegs on the face of the jump... Yeah you might overdo it and fall but that's the point.

You wanna go fast? You need to take risks or GIT GUD.
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kNewc wrote:
I think the speed/sizes of the jumps in Reflex were ridiculously large like all of their arcade games. I'm not even a big fan of the...
I think the speed/sizes of the jumps in Reflex were ridiculously large like all of their arcade games. I'm not even a big fan of the physics, everything is too fast and floaty. MES has they physics down, they just need terrain deformation and some better controls for the bike vertically (to get those whips everybody likes).
Last Braaap wrote:
One problem i have with Milestone's air-physics is the fact that they absolutely missed the point of air physics. And someone like AJ Catanzaro should give...
One problem i have with Milestone's air-physics is the fact that they absolutely missed the point of air physics. And someone like AJ Catanzaro should give them a few lessons about advanced riding.

Let me explain:
You don't whip/scrub in the middle of air as a free time leisure cuz it looks cool.You do it ON THE FACE OF THE JUMP so you don't go into a exosphere after take off. In reflex you can almost drag your pegs on the face of the jump... Yeah you might overdo it and fall but that's the point.

You wanna go fast? You need to take risks or GIT GUD.
I'm very confused though...you CAN whip off the face of the jump in MES. Actually in newer versions they have made it so you can lay it lower without wrecking lol. Have you played it in FPV? You can clearly tell whips/scrubs make you faster in-game as your trajectory is lower. I'll need to make a clip tonight or find one when I'm off my work network showing it in-game, especially multiplayer. You can also do the "scrub" combo after the jump take off and it will initiate the "whip animation". So yes, I do agree you can do it without changing your trajectory, but you can certainly do it earlier and the fast guys do it before the lip.
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EZZA 95B wrote:
Pretty sure it was Kellen that said it couldn't be done on PulpMX a couple of weeks ago.
Kellens a dope
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thepelican 2/17/2021 10:21am
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kb228 wrote:
Id add to that to make mx sim with 2021 graphics. That alone will cure coronavirus
Pretty sure that game already exists:
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kb228 wrote:
Id add to that to make mx sim with 2021 graphics. That alone will cure coronavirus
thepelican wrote:
Pretty sure that game already exists: [embed][/embed]
Pretty sure that game already exists:
Mx bikes physics are way off
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RudyRayMo 2/19/2021 8:43am
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Reflex was a different beast for sure, the only other games that came close were mx2002 and Mx unleashed.
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vincefriese 10/16/2026 9:20am
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Can't this be done in like a day using REA and AI. I've been reading up on all the crazy reverse engineering breakthroughs that happened this week and thought back to this. Someone smarter than me would know.

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The MXGP games were close for physics, but nothing has touched Reflex. Still have a copy for my xbox 360 and the only reason I still have the 360.

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Jkawi wrote:
The MXGP games were close for physics, but nothing has touched Reflex. Still have a copy for my xbox 360 and the only reason I still...

The MXGP games were close for physics, but nothing has touched Reflex. Still have a copy for my xbox 360 and the only reason I still have the 360.

Reasonably sure you can put that disc in your xbox x and ittl put it on there , no 360 needed.

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Jkawi wrote:
The MXGP games were close for physics, but nothing has touched Reflex. Still have a copy for my xbox 360 and the only reason I still...

The MXGP games were close for physics, but nothing has touched Reflex. Still have a copy for my xbox 360 and the only reason I still have the 360.

Flatliner wrote:

Reasonably sure you can put that disc in your xbox x and ittl put it on there , no 360 needed.

Definitely could if I had one... Im not the type to spend $1000 on video game machines so I have a retro machine so I can play super mario and the xbox 360 so I can play reflex, MXGP, Old Forza, and Amped snowboarding. Thats all I got. Not a fan of any new games so no real need for the better console.

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vincefriese wrote:
Can't this be done in like a day using REA and AI. I've been reading up on all the crazy reverse engineering breakthroughs that happened this...

Can't this be done in like a day using REA and AI. I've been reading up on all the crazy reverse engineering breakthroughs that happened this week and thought back to this. Someone smarter than me would know.

Open Unleashed. Lynds just made a few videos on it. Reflex is next from the modder

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