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Does the following sentence not contradict your entire rant? "There’s a light switch concerning these injuries. If it’s on, you can recover with hard work."
I can agree with this..."Ultimately, nobody should tell someone with a SCI to work harder and they can overcome it." , as that sounds fairly unempathetic too...but how often does that happen? I can't imagine hearing someone say to someone else in a wheelchair, "Hey David, if you tried harder, you could've overcome your injury!" It seems to me you're either ranting about something that doesn't happen or you're insulting SCI recovery patients...and now you have 53 vital members on board....awesome!
There is a physical side to this as well as a mental/emotional/psychosocial side to it. And you may know people who struggle with this part a lot and sorta do give up a bit. You don't have much control over the outcome on the physical side. It's either going to get better or it won't. I do think there is some control over the mental side of it. If I'm wrong then I do sincerely apologize. I've never been through what some of you have and I won't at all pretend to know what it feels like.
Also, I believe the Lord can provide super natural healing and I also believe he can guide the doctors hand. I also believe in the power of prayer. I don't always understand his answers. His ways are not my ways. I also accept the fact that I can't know the answer to every question on this side of eternity.
I also believe we should be spending billions of dollars more on SCI research and rehabilitation. It breaks my heart to see people with any injury or disability struggling and we are the so called richest country in human history can't even take care of our own. But yet we can give billions of dollars to all kinds of foreign governments. Most of which are hostile to Americans.
Doesn't make sense.
I know. I mixed religion and politics into one post.
Sorry not sorry.
Nope. It reinforces my entire point. You can recover, or you can’t. It’s determined by the level of injury, not in your unfortunate belief that you can make it happen, no matter what.
There are some guys on this thread that I respect very much who are in chairs. Maybe read what they wrote.
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I’m not allowed to praise someone for their hard word and adversity of going through rehab because someone else in the world unfortunately won’t have the opportunity to so.
Can you show us the article that ridicules those that couldn’t? or was it just an article praising an individual for not giving up and your the one taking the 2020 approach and getting offended?
I typed up alot more because I'm dealing with a mountain of shit, but it's easier to just say fuck sci.
I don't agree with that belief but I'm 100% behind you having it
I also believe that unfortunately religion is a big reason for people NOT wanting to spend billions on SCI research but I don't wanna get into that.. If anyone wants to disagree just assume I replied 'oh yep good point I didn't think of that, I'll concede' haha
So many stories in my 16 years as a quad and traveling to wheelchair rugby tournaments. The random questions we get in the airports when traveling as a team are endless.
I do get what the OP was saying. It does get old hearing the same old shit. I do have a few friends that can walk but they use a chair the majority of the time because their balance sucks and it's just faster in the chair.
To Tobz & Motoxdoc...I don't want to start a whole debate or call you assholes but I seriously believe you both are missing the point entirely. However, I didn't appreciate the comment about the "circle jerking gentlemen's club" which I'm guessing I must be a part of since I agree with the OP, but I also understand someone who has never been put in the same situation as us simply cannot truly grasp or understand where we're coming from. The insult, though wildly immature and unnecessary, is a reflection of the daily issues we with SCI's deal with. I could go back and forth with you til' I'm blue in the face but it will do nothing. And if you want to talk about a "2020 response", look in the mirror. You're the type of person who doesn't seem to be able to admit when they crossed a line and will instead dig their heels in to the bitter end.
I'm always happy to see or hear that someone once paralyzed is now able to walk again, but there are just so many variables that are involved. I'll also admit that I get a bit jealous. I put in years of very difficult, painful rehabilitation but my spinal cord was simply too damaged. It's not like a broken arm where you cast it up, let it heal and weeks later back to normal. The central nervous system is such a complicated thing and we are many decades away from any hope for a "cure" or miracle treatment. The hard truth is unlike Cancer, AIDs, HIV, or many other high profile medical issues - SCI's simply aren't anywhere near the top of the list and never have been for the medical community or the world demanding results.
In my opinion, this is simply a subject you two should have stayed away from. For those of us with the injury or very close to someone who is, it's something we can understand. The OP may have been having a difficult day and saw something that struck a nerve, I know how he feels because as a Para I've been there. The approach you came in here with is misguided and somewhat shameful.
You called me out, literally, without addressing a single thing that I wrote.
If I’m missing the point, why don’t you explain it to me? I have worked with my share of paralyzed patients...why should I stay away from this subject?....and what in the world is a “2020 response?” Lol.
I understand if you are angry about having a CSI that does not allow you to improve through hard work and determination, as I seem to have more empathy than the average person and I have had quite a few debilitating injuries of my own, granted, nothing near as bad as permanent paralysis. I understand if you are jealous of somebody who does have a CSI that allows them to improve through hard work and determination....but to tell a person to fuck off for sharing such a story just seems heartless and unempathetic to me. That is not debatable but you can try to enlighten me with your opinion as to why mine is “misguided and shameful”.
And then making sure that you didn't think my other posts were having a go at people that have beliefs..
So if you did think I was havin a go at ya I definitely wasn't haha
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No one is angry that others got better or recover no one is jealous (well maybe a little) if someone else recovers..
The problem has NOTHING to do with the person who recovered!
It's when people attribute working hard or staying positive to be the reason they did recover because it couldn't be (you should know this) and that implies the people that didn't recover didn't work hard or stay positive which is an insult!
Spot on!
I’ve been a para for 6 years. I moved across the country and spent 5 days a week, sometimes 5 hours a day doing rehab and had zero results. After 9 months with no progress i decided it was time to move home and try to live a normal life.
Hard work helps some people recover from SCI, hard work does not cure SCI. It is annoying when people say the reason some recover is from hard work, that is simply untrue. I’ll admit I’m jealous of people who had a SCI and can now walk, feel, don’t have to stick a straw up their dick to take a piss, don’t have to deal with the shit that SCI people have to deal with. Yes I’m jealous, but I’m also unbelievably happy for those as well, because I’d kill to be in their shoes.
Implying that people didn’t recover because they didn’t try hard or weren’t positive is the biggest slap in the face to those that physically can’t recover. That’s the whole point of the post. But don’t worry motodoc and tobz, keep digging your heels in and stick with your argument.
I take it that this kind of statement can reasonably be taken to be insulting (as is the point of the thread): "If you work hard and stay positive, then you'll recover". This statement is wrong because it is saying that working hard and staying positive are all you need to recover (any statement of the form "if P then Q" asserts that P is sufficient for Q). Given the meaning of this statement, you can infer the following (the statements are logically equivalent): "if you don't recover, then you didn't work hard and stay positive". This, as has been pointed out, is bullshit - insulting bullshit at that. The lesson to be derived here is that you should not say "if you work hard and stay positive, then you'll recover" because it directly logically entails something that is insulting to those who haven't recovered.
The above is quite different from saying: "if you recovered, then you must have worked hard and stayed positive". This statement is probably false, since as has been pointed out by others, some have recovered without working hard and staying positive. But I take it that it is less insulting than "if you work hard and stay positive, then you'll recover" because it is, I think, just a way of saying something nice to someone who has recovered and it doesn't necessarily imply anything negative about those who haven't.
The truth seems to be that for some people, no amount of hard work will enable recovery, for others, they will recover regardless of whether or not they work hard, and for yet others, their injury will permit recovery in a way that will be aided by hard work. The original poster make exactly this point, as far as I can tell, and justifiably expresses frustration with those who say - perhaps without understanding the implications of their speech - that if the injured person works hard, then they will recover.
Now I'm hoping that that lends some clarity to the matter. I am not a medical expert, but I have considerable expertise in logic. On that note, when I've taught introductory courses in logic and critical reasoning, one of the first things I tell students is to interpret with a principle of charity, assuming that the author you are reading is rational and intelligent, thus putting their writing in its best possible light - otherwise you're just arguing against a straw man. There are a few here that need that lesson.
Thank you to everyone.
My problem goes back to your OP, which I’ve tried to get clarification on but just got told to go fuck myself. You specifically point to articles (plural) that support those that have gone through rehab to walk again, which I think you’ve interpreted as a form of insult to those who won’t have that opportunity. I’ve asked for an example as I truly believe that your misconstruing the intent of these “articles”.
Again, the other examples of the posts following the OP are appalling to hear that there are people in the world that can think in that manner, let alone actually say them out loud. But you couldn’t possibly take them seriously, which I’m glad to see that a lot of responses that they give are clever rejections or simply just shutting them down with realities.
It’s a discussion forum after all, hence my probing into these articles you’ve referred to that have caused you to start a thread. I’d love to read them to try and grasp where your OP came from, but hey if were only here to strictly agree and not ask questions then I’ll leave you to it.
Post a reply to: A very "real" thread.