Silly Season...

secretwrench wrote:

Let's just say I'm 100% sure the judge will see it that way

secretwrench wrote:

Let's just say I'm 100% sure the judge will see it that way

Hegz wrote:

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Bearuno wrote:

That was Kade Tinkler-Walker, a Canadian, on the RM250. Always in the top 10 each Moto, mostly within the top 6, with 1 x 2nd place...

That was Kade Tinkler-Walker, a Canadian, on the RM250.

Always in the top 10 each Moto, mostly within the top 6, with 1 x 2nd place, and his overall standings dinged a bit by 1 non finish. So currently 7th, with, I think, 1 round to go?????

Motocross success, thankfully is still, and will always be, heavily weighted to rider ability, over the bike, but, when you see how competitive a 2005 model bike, in the Yamahas (and now the 'Fantic' 125) with the barest (biggest being the forks [and shock?] in 2006) changes over 15 years, and the Canadians Suzuki (I don't know when the last 'generation' of the RM250 came to be, but I did see them on showroom floors into the 2010s here in OZ) , going up against current model KTM / KTHuskies / KTGeeGees, it does make one wonder about the amount of genuine 'progress' in bike design. Who'd even contemplate running a 2005 model 250F competitively against todays 250Fs at high levels of racing ..........?

Lightning78 wrote:

"Genuine Progress" ..... in my opinion theres be hardly any progress made on bikes other than "fixing" the inherent flaws of the first few generations of...

"Genuine Progress" ..... in my opinion theres be hardly any progress made on bikes other than "fixing" the inherent flaws of the first few generations of the modern 4 stroke mx bikes. Even at first, the only thing that gave the 4 stroke a slight edge over its 2 stroke competition was giving then double the displacement as they ate valves and were poorly aspirated by carburetor.
The last great suspension leap was the KYB SSS suspension which was released on the last gen
YZ 2 strokes as well as the the still new 4 strokes andbits still the best stuff today.
We took a huge step backwards with air forks and SFF forks and it took showa nearly 15 years to catch up to KYB.
The perimeter framed aluminum chassis has only changed in terms rigidity and Honda had that down on its last gen CR 2 strokes. The only difference is redesigning them to produce a new model bike in aesthetics.
Seats have gotten flat and mufflers are fully exposed.
I dont consider EFI or electric start to be "Genuine Progress" they were more of a means to fix the downsides of the 4 strokes and that was only a matter of time in addition to adding 15-20lbs to the bikes.
Bikes have mostly gotten heavier but far easier to ride fast so you can call that progress.
I feel that 4 strokes were a step back placed in what's still the standard for mx chassis design and the powerplant was gradually improved to meet the performance of the chassis already designed during the 2 stroke era.
My 2003 KX250 may be slightly behind the 2021 models but in the hands of a capable rider, at the local level it's not at the disadvantage of a bike made in the 90's and Jimmy Albertson hauls ass on his 98 CR250 right?

Johnny Ringo wrote:

The 2003 KX250 wasn’t even on the same level of the other 250 two strokes from 2003, let alone a 2021 KX450.

Lay-off the peyote pal

Hegz wrote:

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numbers wrote:

Did Ringo down vite this.

Hegz wrote:

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numbers wrote:

Did Ringo down vite this.

Johnny Ringo wrote:

No way, love troll train.

Hegz wrote:

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secretwrench wrote:

Let's just say I'm 100% sure the judge will see it that way

rmgsxr wrote:

Based on what I’ve heard there could be a line behind Baggett once they get in front of that judge.

secretwrench wrote:

Let's just say I'm 100% sure the judge will see it that way

rmgsxr wrote:

Based on what I’ve heard there could be a line behind Baggett once they get in front of that judge.

Sr_Vet_Rider wrote:

Bingo

rmgsxr wrote:

Based on what I’ve heard there could be a line behind Baggett once they get in front of that judge.

Sr_Vet_Rider wrote:

Bingo

JBlain619 wrote:

He isn't the first, they've already lost one lawsuit over breach of contract.

Sr_Vet_Rider wrote:

Bingo

JBlain619 wrote:

He isn't the first, they've already lost one lawsuit over breach of contract.

GrapeApe wrote:

I can understand protecting information you've received in confidence (in which case, just say nothing at all?), but if there was a lawsuit it is public...

I can understand protecting information you've received in confidence (in which case, just say nothing at all?), but if there was a lawsuit it is public record. Why not just say who was involved?

I searched the 18th circuit state court and Middle District federal court and found nothing.

JBlain619 wrote:

He isn't the first, they've already lost one lawsuit over breach of contract.

GrapeApe wrote:

I can understand protecting information you've received in confidence (in which case, just say nothing at all?), but if there was a lawsuit it is public...

I can understand protecting information you've received in confidence (in which case, just say nothing at all?), but if there was a lawsuit it is public record. Why not just say who was involved?

I searched the 18th circuit state court and Middle District federal court and found nothing.

OLDMOTO wrote:

This is the typical Vital childish bullshit. "I know something you don't know, but I'm not going to tell you". Just keyboard warriors making shit up...

This is the typical Vital childish bullshit. "I know something you don't know, but I'm not going to tell you". Just keyboard warriors making shit up or repeating some rumor. Most of the time there is nothing to tell.

JBlain619 wrote:

He isn't the first, they've already lost one lawsuit over breach of contract.

GrapeApe wrote:

I can understand protecting information you've received in confidence (in which case, just say nothing at all?), but if there was a lawsuit it is public...

I can understand protecting information you've received in confidence (in which case, just say nothing at all?), but if there was a lawsuit it is public record. Why not just say who was involved?

I searched the 18th circuit state court and Middle District federal court and found nothing.

OLDMOTO wrote:

This is the typical Vital childish bullshit. "I know something you don't know, but I'm not going to tell you". Just keyboard warriors making shit up...

This is the typical Vital childish bullshit. "I know something you don't know, but I'm not going to tell you". Just keyboard warriors making shit up or repeating some rumor. Most of the time there is nothing to tell.

GrapeApe wrote:

I can understand protecting information you've received in confidence (in which case, just say nothing at all?), but if there was a lawsuit it is public...

I can understand protecting information you've received in confidence (in which case, just say nothing at all?), but if there was a lawsuit it is public record. Why not just say who was involved?

I searched the 18th circuit state court and Middle District federal court and found nothing.

OLDMOTO wrote:

This is the typical Vital childish bullshit. "I know something you don't know, but I'm not going to tell you". Just keyboard warriors making shit up...

This is the typical Vital childish bullshit. "I know something you don't know, but I'm not going to tell you". Just keyboard warriors making shit up or repeating some rumor. Most of the time there is nothing to tell.

GrapeApe wrote:

If you pay close enough attention you figure out who gets their information from where. Some have connections or are a direct source of information, and...

If you pay close enough attention you figure out who gets their information from where. Some have connections or are a direct source of information, and others just regurgitate what they read on social media or hear in a podcast. I put JBlain619 in the first category.

I had totally forgot about the Markolf deal

OLDMOTO wrote:

This is the typical Vital childish bullshit. "I know something you don't know, but I'm not going to tell you". Just keyboard warriors making shit up...

This is the typical Vital childish bullshit. "I know something you don't know, but I'm not going to tell you". Just keyboard warriors making shit up or repeating some rumor. Most of the time there is nothing to tell.

OLDMOTO wrote:

Who is Max Markolf and what was his issue?

OLDMOTO wrote:

Who is Max Markolf and what was his issue?

88FYNN88 wrote:

https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/KTM-the-reason-Max-Marko…

88FYNN88 wrote:

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Dimblewambie wrote:

If it is in fact how it will go, really happy for both Savatgy and Bogle to be on the factory equipment of the RMATVMC team...

If it is in fact how it will go, really happy for both Savatgy and Bogle to be on the factory equipment of the RMATVMC team. I also hope they both have no issues getting paid for their services, or whatever their contracts state. I dont want to see Blake Baggett go away either so that really sucks, but if it’s true he’s still having some issues from injury, compounded by a team that’s not paying him as well as he seems happy as ever being a father, I can see him hanging it up.

2020 sure is a rough year, and it’s ugliness may carry on for longer than we imagine.

LungButter wrote:

Anybody else find it ironic the Team in the Pits with the most sponsor logos required on a riders jersey is supposedly the one not paying...

Anybody else find it ironic the Team in the Pits with the most sponsor logos required on a riders jersey is supposedly the one not paying the bills?

DonM wrote:

What I find ironic is that everyone in here assumes that Baggett has not been paid....how is that? Maybe Blake is physically unable to perform because...

What I find ironic is that everyone in here assumes that Baggett has not been paid....how is that? Maybe Blake is physically unable to perform because of his wrist injury, maybe he just decided to throw in the towel....remember when RV wanted to retire early? he had to cut a deal with both Monster and Kaw and they settled on him racing the GP's so he wouldn't have to pay back money to Monster Kawi....last I checked contracts are a two way street we may or may not see how this plays out but I can guarantee you that its not as simple as Blake just not getting paid...

DonM wrote:

What I find ironic is that everyone in here assumes that Baggett has not been paid....how is that? Maybe Blake is physically unable to perform because...

What I find ironic is that everyone in here assumes that Baggett has not been paid....how is that? Maybe Blake is physically unable to perform because of his wrist injury, maybe he just decided to throw in the towel....remember when RV wanted to retire early? he had to cut a deal with both Monster and Kaw and they settled on him racing the GP's so he wouldn't have to pay back money to Monster Kawi....last I checked contracts are a two way street we may or may not see how this plays out but I can guarantee you that its not as simple as Blake just not getting paid...

LungButter wrote:

Well, it seems pretty telling that there have been several blatant claims of Baggett not being paid along with claims that others have been in the...

Well, it seems pretty telling that there have been several blatant claims of Baggett not being paid along with claims that others have been in the same situation and nobody "in the know" has come to the defense of the Team....except you right now, in a round about way.....but even you aren't saying much by what your saying....