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Thisusernameisavailable 10/1/2020 11:16pm
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Edge-Of-Adhesion wrote:
He's a nearly man. His starts don't do him any favours and most of the time he's coming through the pack although he's got good stamina...
He's a nearly man. His starts don't do him any favours and most of the time he's coming through the pack although he's got good stamina and is always strong at the end of the race.

I think he'll do ok on a 450, he's too lanky for a 250 and looks cramped on it.
Are 450s physically bigger bikes that 250s now??

Not seen that...

Bigger wheels too??
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I don't really know what to make of Watson. At times he's fast, but he never made that leap to contender in MX2 I thought he...
I don't really know what to make of Watson. At times he's fast, but he never made that leap to contender in MX2 I thought he would.
Edge-Of-Adhesion wrote:
He's a nearly man. His starts don't do him any favours and most of the time he's coming through the pack although he's got good stamina...
He's a nearly man. His starts don't do him any favours and most of the time he's coming through the pack although he's got good stamina and is always strong at the end of the race.

I think he'll do ok on a 450, he's too lanky for a 250 and looks cramped on it.
Yes, it's right, next season on 450! Maybe in Kawi or stay in Yama
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I don't really know what to make of Watson. At times he's fast, but he never made that leap to contender in MX2 I thought he...
I don't really know what to make of Watson. At times he's fast, but he never made that leap to contender in MX2 I thought he would.
Edge-Of-Adhesion wrote:
He's a nearly man. His starts don't do him any favours and most of the time he's coming through the pack although he's got good stamina...
He's a nearly man. His starts don't do him any favours and most of the time he's coming through the pack although he's got good stamina and is always strong at the end of the race.

I think he'll do ok on a 450, he's too lanky for a 250 and looks cramped on it.
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Yes, it's right, next season on 450! Maybe in Kawi or stay in Yama
He is a tall guy now and he is 20kg heavier than Geerts.. as a kid he was always small and didt hamper him, butin the year he missed most of through his foot injury he grew a fair bit. His start problem seems to have gone away a little since lockdown restart , but he is struggling now on the 250 against the smaller guys for sure. On the 450 ,Yamaha have seen how he goes against Febvre often enough to know what he can do, and i expect him to be placed in the Yamaha 450 program, with Geert and Renaux still having years in MX2 they will want to keep him on board for sure.
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roninho 10/2/2020 12:54am
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Guys like Watson are really hurt by the age rule in mx2. Due to him being a tall/heavy guy it actually would make sense to move to mxgp, however with the class being that full with guys that could have been in mx2 its really really hard to stay in mxgp for long (at least paid) when you are likely not going to score many top 10s.

I would love to see some of the vets from mxgp (simpson, van horebeek, bobry, etc.) ride in mx2 and not force guys like Jacobi and Sterry to move up.
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Dobermann 10/2/2020 11:27pm
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Edge-Of-Adhesion wrote:
He's a nearly man. His starts don't do him any favours and most of the time he's coming through the pack although he's got good stamina...
He's a nearly man. His starts don't do him any favours and most of the time he's coming through the pack although he's got good stamina and is always strong at the end of the race.

I think he'll do ok on a 450, he's too lanky for a 250 and looks cramped on it.
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Yes, it's right, next season on 450! Maybe in Kawi or stay in Yama
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He is a tall guy now and he is 20kg heavier than Geerts.. as a kid he was always small and didt hamper him, butin the...
He is a tall guy now and he is 20kg heavier than Geerts.. as a kid he was always small and didt hamper him, butin the year he missed most of through his foot injury he grew a fair bit. His start problem seems to have gone away a little since lockdown restart , but he is struggling now on the 250 against the smaller guys for sure. On the 450 ,Yamaha have seen how he goes against Febvre often enough to know what he can do, and i expect him to be placed in the Yamaha 450 program, with Geert and Renaux still having years in MX2 they will want to keep him on board for sure.
It's right!!!
the options are kawa along with Febre or Yama in SM Action with factory support...
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roninho 10/3/2020 12:30am
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Interested to see if the weight is such an disadvantage that it harms his speed to get really up front. Watson is pretty consistent and always near the top, but looking at the past couple of years he gets outscored in podium finishes by nearl all the good riders ... Prado, Jonass, TKO, Covington, Vlaanderen, Geerts, Jacobi and recently Vialle, Renaux, boisrame, vd moosdijk, beaton. Curious to see what he does on a 450.
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philG 10/3/2020 2:54am
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roninho wrote:
Interested to see if the weight is such an disadvantage that it harms his speed to get really up front. Watson is pretty consistent and always...
Interested to see if the weight is such an disadvantage that it harms his speed to get really up front. Watson is pretty consistent and always near the top, but looking at the past couple of years he gets outscored in podium finishes by nearl all the good riders ... Prado, Jonass, TKO, Covington, Vlaanderen, Geerts, Jacobi and recently Vialle, Renaux, boisrame, vd moosdijk, beaton. Curious to see what he does on a 450.
How can it not be? he gives 20KG to his team mate, its not opinion, its simple maths, and moving that extra 20KG from a standing start is one of the reasons he struggles with starts,

TKO is in a similar position.

People are wondering why Prado gets such good starts ( same with Cairoli) .. its because they are small, and while there are times when a bit of extra weight can help with grip, with the grate starts , that is lessened.

The age rule that forces guys that would be career 250 guys up , onto bikes they struggle with, is why bigger guys dont get to move up when size dictates they should .

For sure he hasnt delivered the podiums, he should have, but he will be good on a 450 because he is a technique rider, not a guy who just hangs off all the time.

Like his brother, he got to big for a 250 too early, and as Nathan showed on the ICE One Husky , he was a much better 450 rider.

I dont expect Ben to be any different.

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Eddy_V 10/3/2020 11:05am
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On size of pro riders: mx2 riders are around 65-70 kg, mx1 riders up to 75 kg( even Herlings with 1.90 height!). On a local track here, they collect jerseys of pro riders who trained there. Prado an cairoli wore size S, all others incl herlings, coldenhof and carmichael a size M. So bigger pro riders with 80 kg (175lbs+ are fairly rare.
Still there is a point that some riders excel on a 250 like covington, others do better on a bigger bike.
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Bidirella 10/3/2020 11:13am
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Eddy_V wrote:
On size of pro riders: mx2 riders are around 65-70 kg, mx1 riders up to 75 kg( even Herlings with 1.90 height!). On a local track...
On size of pro riders: mx2 riders are around 65-70 kg, mx1 riders up to 75 kg( even Herlings with 1.90 height!). On a local track here, they collect jerseys of pro riders who trained there. Prado an cairoli wore size S, all others incl herlings, coldenhof and carmichael a size M. So bigger pro riders with 80 kg (175lbs+ are fairly rare.
Still there is a point that some riders excel on a 250 like covington, others do better on a bigger bike.
Remember Herlings was slow off the start to at his rookie year. He said he bulked to much over the winter wich let to bad starts, when he was losing those pounds and getting ripped he was able to start allot better!
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Eddy_V wrote:
On size of pro riders: mx2 riders are around 65-70 kg, mx1 riders up to 75 kg( even Herlings with 1.90 height!). On a local track...
On size of pro riders: mx2 riders are around 65-70 kg, mx1 riders up to 75 kg( even Herlings with 1.90 height!). On a local track here, they collect jerseys of pro riders who trained there. Prado an cairoli wore size S, all others incl herlings, coldenhof and carmichael a size M. So bigger pro riders with 80 kg (175lbs+ are fairly rare.
Still there is a point that some riders excel on a 250 like covington, others do better on a bigger bike.
Herlings no way wears a med,. And his jerseys dont have sizes on them. He probably is 6foot easy and 180-190.lbs Rc might have wore a med in his prime, but no way a med when he got heavier.
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Bidirella 10/3/2020 11:26am
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Herlings no way wears a med,. And his jerseys dont have sizes on them. He probably is 6foot easy and 180-190.lbs Rc might have wore a...
Herlings no way wears a med,. And his jerseys dont have sizes on them. He probably is 6foot easy and 180-190.lbs Rc might have wore a med in his prime, but no way a med when he got heavier.
Most likely a MX2 jersey, when he was young wild and free and riding without a chest protector Grinning
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mxb2 10/3/2020 11:46am
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Herlings no way wears a med,. And his jerseys dont have sizes on them. He probably is 6foot easy and 180-190.lbs Rc might have wore a...
Herlings no way wears a med,. And his jerseys dont have sizes on them. He probably is 6foot easy and 180-190.lbs Rc might have wore a med in his prime, but no way a med when he got heavier.
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Most likely a MX2 jersey, when he was young wild and free and riding without a chest protector Grinning
True story. Lol.
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philG 10/3/2020 11:50am
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mxb2 wrote:
Herlings no way wears a med,. And his jerseys dont have sizes on them. He probably is 6foot easy and 180-190.lbs Rc might have wore a...
Herlings no way wears a med,. And his jerseys dont have sizes on them. He probably is 6foot easy and 180-190.lbs Rc might have wore a med in his prime, but no way a med when he got heavier.
Herlings said the one of best things about going 450 was not having to keep his weight down so much, and being able to add muscle mass.

And AJ and big Ken have proved that you cant be too big for a 450

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Eddy_V wrote:
On size of pro riders: mx2 riders are around 65-70 kg, mx1 riders up to 75 kg( even Herlings with 1.90 height!). On a local track...
On size of pro riders: mx2 riders are around 65-70 kg, mx1 riders up to 75 kg( even Herlings with 1.90 height!). On a local track here, they collect jerseys of pro riders who trained there. Prado an cairoli wore size S, all others incl herlings, coldenhof and carmichael a size M. So bigger pro riders with 80 kg (175lbs+ are fairly rare.
Still there is a point that some riders excel on a 250 like covington, others do better on a bigger bike.
Herlings is 183cm, and slim, so M would be right
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Motofinne 10/6/2020 3:00am
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If i'm Kawasaki, i sign Watson for 2021. Desalle is a fantastic rider and he has had an amazing career (one of the fastest ever to not win a title), but his best days are behind him.

Watson would probably be cheaper and able to put in similar results as Desalle?

Running 3 bikes would be the best but if they can only field 2, then i would go for Watson.
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Motofinne wrote:
If i'm Kawasaki, i sign Watson for 2021. Desalle is a fantastic rider and he has had an amazing career (one of the fastest ever to...
If i'm Kawasaki, i sign Watson for 2021. Desalle is a fantastic rider and he has had an amazing career (one of the fastest ever to not win a title), but his best days are behind him.

Watson would probably be cheaper and able to put in similar results as Desalle?

Running 3 bikes would be the best but if they can only field 2, then i would go for Watson.
Yeah, but they have to think of their MX 2 riders as well, when do they come up.. i see him on blue.

Also their is the question about Jasikonis returning, maybe they take a 3rd rider while he recovers. They ran Nathan Watson on a limited budget on a lower spec bike when Nagl was there .
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Motofinne 10/6/2020 3:45am
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Motofinne wrote:
If i'm Kawasaki, i sign Watson for 2021. Desalle is a fantastic rider and he has had an amazing career (one of the fastest ever to...
If i'm Kawasaki, i sign Watson for 2021. Desalle is a fantastic rider and he has had an amazing career (one of the fastest ever to not win a title), but his best days are behind him.

Watson would probably be cheaper and able to put in similar results as Desalle?

Running 3 bikes would be the best but if they can only field 2, then i would go for Watson.
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Yeah, but they have to think of their MX 2 riders as well, when do they come up.. i see him on blue. Also their is...
Yeah, but they have to think of their MX 2 riders as well, when do they come up.. i see him on blue.

Also their is the question about Jasikonis returning, maybe they take a 3rd rider while he recovers. They ran Nathan Watson on a limited budget on a lower spec bike when Nagl was there .
Yeah i would guess Watson stays on blue with Gebben in 2021.
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DeStouwer 10/6/2020 3:51am
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Both Gajser and Evans renewed their contracts with HRC.
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roninho 10/6/2020 4:16am
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Motofinne wrote:
If i'm Kawasaki, i sign Watson for 2021. Desalle is a fantastic rider and he has had an amazing career (one of the fastest ever to...
If i'm Kawasaki, i sign Watson for 2021. Desalle is a fantastic rider and he has had an amazing career (one of the fastest ever to not win a title), but his best days are behind him.

Watson would probably be cheaper and able to put in similar results as Desalle?

Running 3 bikes would be the best but if they can only field 2, then i would go for Watson.
Not sure if he can put in similar results as Desalle.

The question is do you believe Watson is comparable to Evans or more to the trio of Vlaanderen, Jacobi and Sterry (who managed to score 6 top 10 finishes compared to the 14 Desalle had).

As for Desalle, for a serious reduction in salary i'd be interested to keep him if i'm Kawasaki. On his day and track imo he still can get some results. With some bonus that he is a french speaking guy in a mainly french team if i'm not mistaken.
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Cortami79 10/6/2020 4:53am
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Motofinne wrote:
If i'm Kawasaki, i sign Watson for 2021. Desalle is a fantastic rider and he has had an amazing career (one of the fastest ever to...
If i'm Kawasaki, i sign Watson for 2021. Desalle is a fantastic rider and he has had an amazing career (one of the fastest ever to not win a title), but his best days are behind him.

Watson would probably be cheaper and able to put in similar results as Desalle?

Running 3 bikes would be the best but if they can only field 2, then i would go for Watson.
I understand your ideas. But, I’m not sure about Watson being great on a 450. Many people have written off guys like Paulin, Desalle, V horebeek.. but not too many guys are capable to straight pass them in a race. Watson on a 450 could be average, or could be an immediate contender like Febvre in 2015. Always hard to guess. I didn’t expect Vlaanderen for example to show top 5 speed at times on a 450. Or Evans after his mediocre 250 results. I think its all part of budgets. I read somewhere here that Watson had an offer from Kawi, but that he wants to stay blue. Maybe a third rider next to Coldenhoff and Seewer?
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Motofinne 10/6/2020 5:02am
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Motofinne wrote:
If i'm Kawasaki, i sign Watson for 2021. Desalle is a fantastic rider and he has had an amazing career (one of the fastest ever to...
If i'm Kawasaki, i sign Watson for 2021. Desalle is a fantastic rider and he has had an amazing career (one of the fastest ever to not win a title), but his best days are behind him.

Watson would probably be cheaper and able to put in similar results as Desalle?

Running 3 bikes would be the best but if they can only field 2, then i would go for Watson.
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I understand your ideas. But, I’m not sure about Watson being great on a 450. Many people have written off guys like Paulin, Desalle, V horebeek...
I understand your ideas. But, I’m not sure about Watson being great on a 450. Many people have written off guys like Paulin, Desalle, V horebeek.. but not too many guys are capable to straight pass them in a race. Watson on a 450 could be average, or could be an immediate contender like Febvre in 2015. Always hard to guess. I didn’t expect Vlaanderen for example to show top 5 speed at times on a 450. Or Evans after his mediocre 250 results. I think its all part of budgets. I read somewhere here that Watson had an offer from Kawi, but that he wants to stay blue. Maybe a third rider next to Coldenhoff and Seewer?
Yeah he could also flop. But they already have Febvre who is a podium rider able to win here and there. I would rather "gamble" on Watson being a new Evans that excels on a 450 than having Desalle doing what he does right now.

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DeStouwer 10/7/2020 1:17am
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Ghidinelli Yamaha, the team of former worldchampion David Philippaerts, signed Tim Edberg (currently sixth in the EMX250-standings) and Pietro Razzini (currently second in the EMX125-standings) for EMX250 in 2021.
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roninho 10/7/2020 3:34am
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Yeah he could also flop. But they already have Febvre who is a podium rider able to win here and there. I would rather "gamble" on...
Yeah he could also flop. But they already have Febvre who is a podium rider able to win here and there. I would rather "gamble" on Watson being a new Evans that excels on a 450 than having Desalle doing what he does right now.

Understand your logic, i would just try to do that scenario with Anstie if i'm Kawasaki.

Injuries aside, if he doesnt improve you still have a guy who should get a podium, and if he does improve who knows what he can do.

Don't know his salary demands obviously.
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What about getting Paulin back on kawi, had his best years there. Maybe they can get him cheap, but again he's been around a while.
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What about getting Paulin back on kawi, had his best years there. Maybe they can get him cheap, but again he's been around a while.
Cheap and Paulin doesn't belong to the same sentence. He wont race and risk his health for pennies.
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Cheap and Paulin doesn't belong to the same sentence. He wont race and risk his health for pennies.
I'm pretty sure in one of last year's MXVice GP podcasts ( maybe the first for that year?), that around 900,000 Euros was mentioned with regards to Paulins' then deal . I can't recall the context / time frame, as in if it were regarding per year, or the total contracted time.

But no, that couldn't be, GP riders are paid buggerall ( this seems to be what most think), aren't they.
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Paulin is always well known as a rider who gets paid some good money.

But for next year i cant see him being able to ask for that same price, simply because of results wise and with this whole Covid stuff.

Yamaha was willing to pay him good those years, but seems to be able to pay to same or more for Coldenhoff. Next to Coldenhoff is Seewer for 21.

Is he willing to ride the 3rd bike if it’s there in 21 for a paycut? I don’t think he will and agree with that position.

Switching Paulin for Desalle makes no sense to me. They put in the same results the last few years and Desalle is there a long time.

Maybe a Satellite team with Factory backing and some good sponsors will be a option for him. Being #1 on the team and still can make some decent money.
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DeStouwer 10/8/2020 6:39am
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Kay de Wolf confirmed with Rockstar Energy Husqvarna for 2021 in MX2. Maxime Grau will race for the team in EMX250.
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Kay de Wolf confirmed with Rockstar Energy Husqvarna for 2021 in MX2. Maxime Grau will race for the team in EMX250.
I haven’t seen enough consistency from Kay to warrant moving up yet.

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