Let's see/review those 2019 kx450s

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WDSRCR wrote:
I am hoping to get to 75 or 100 hours. I have had my 21 XC for right at a month now and am at 20...
I am hoping to get to 75 or 100 hours. I have had my 21 XC for right at a month now and am at 20 hours. I'd like to NOT have to drop 1k + into it, AGAIN, this soon.
mxryan25 wrote:
1k for a top end ? Huh
WDSRCR wrote:
I honestly don't know what it's going to cost. I have raced 2 strokes for 20+ years and am only basing this on what others have...
I honestly don't know what it's going to cost. I have raced 2 strokes for 20+ years and am only basing this on what others have said to me about cost. I haven't explored it yet. I typically use an OEM piston so I am sure that's a pretty pricey item. Cam chain will likely get replaced and do valves get replaced when doing a top-end? I honestly don't know. I DO know that racing enduros and hare scrambles, I don't leave a lot to chance when rebuilding an engine. It's more expensive to go cheap....
I’m 200 pounds and a slight hammer head in the gas. I did a top end at 55 hours which wasn’t too pricy except I had to buy oem gaskets which killed me.

The other day I had a guy wad his brains out in front of me with resulted in me having a cracked Airbox and a little bit of dirt sucked down. So I’m doing the top and bottom end now at 103 hours. I’m planning on doing a new rod, mains, new seals, of course gaskets, valve springs, valve seals, piston and cam chain. I’ll get back to you guys in what it’s going to cost. I’m going to use a mixture of oem parts, pro x parts, and I’m trying to hunt down a cometic gasket set for the whole motor.

I talked to my suspension guy about replacing the valves he said they should be fine but to definitely inspect them and to for sure replace valve springs.
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9/30/2020 7:31am
I can’t say for certain but an Oem piston kit, cam chain and gaskets should be 500$ or less. valve train Should be fine for easily 150 hours
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10/1/2020 6:04am
You guys who have done bottom ends, what bearings are you guys replacing? All of em? It’s at least 200 bucks for all the bearings in the bottom end which is insane imo. Would I be fine replacing mains and inspecting the other and going from there?
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10/1/2020 9:31am
Any of you have problems snagging the top of your boot above the shock on the right side? Just picked up a 20 and it happened probably 5 times in the first couple laps
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10/1/2020 9:56am
LeMay_848 wrote:
Any of you have problems snagging the top of your boot above the shock on the right side? Just picked up a 20 and it happened...
Any of you have problems snagging the top of your boot above the shock on the right side? Just picked up a 20 and it happened probably 5 times in the first couple laps
Nope. I have more of a problem hooking the end of the shroud inside my boot. I wear sg12s.
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10/1/2020 10:10am
LeMay_848 wrote:
Any of you have problems snagging the top of your boot above the shock on the right side? Just picked up a 20 and it happened...
Any of you have problems snagging the top of your boot above the shock on the right side? Just picked up a 20 and it happened probably 5 times in the first couple laps
bh wrote:
Nope. I have more of a problem hooking the end of the shroud inside my boot. I wear sg12s.
I’m coming from a Honda, wear tech 7s size 12. That section of my old bike was tore up from how I grip, even wore through the brake master cylinder. Maybe drop the pegs? I’m 5’11”
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LeMay_848 wrote:
Any of you have problems snagging the top of your boot above the shock on the right side? Just picked up a 20 and it happened...
Any of you have problems snagging the top of your boot above the shock on the right side? Just picked up a 20 and it happened probably 5 times in the first couple laps
Is your shroud lined up correctly? I think it has a hook that holds it against the air box
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10/1/2020 10:24am
LeMay_848 wrote:
Any of you have problems snagging the top of your boot above the shock on the right side? Just picked up a 20 and it happened...
Any of you have problems snagging the top of your boot above the shock on the right side? Just picked up a 20 and it happened probably 5 times in the first couple laps
Nystrom7 wrote:
Is your shroud lined up correctly? I think it has a hook that holds it against the air box
Agreed... from the pic, it doesn’t look like it’s lined up right... some times you got to really work it into place
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10/1/2020 10:48am
LeMay_848 wrote:
Any of you have problems snagging the top of your boot above the shock on the right side? Just picked up a 20 and it happened...
Any of you have problems snagging the top of your boot above the shock on the right side? Just picked up a 20 and it happened probably 5 times in the first couple laps
Nystrom7 wrote:
Is your shroud lined up correctly? I think it has a hook that holds it against the air box
I’ll check that! Thanks
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10/1/2020 11:06am
LeMay_848 wrote:
Any of you have problems snagging the top of your boot above the shock on the right side? Just picked up a 20 and it happened...
Any of you have problems snagging the top of your boot above the shock on the right side? Just picked up a 20 and it happened probably 5 times in the first couple laps
Nope never happened.
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LeMay_848 wrote:
Any of you have problems snagging the top of your boot above the shock on the right side? Just picked up a 20 and it happened...
Any of you have problems snagging the top of your boot above the shock on the right side? Just picked up a 20 and it happened probably 5 times in the first couple laps
Nystrom7 wrote:
Is your shroud lined up correctly? I think it has a hook that holds it against the air box
Agreed... from the pic, it doesn’t look like it’s lined up right... some times you got to really work it into place
Yep wasn’t lined up right. Didn’t see the tab back there when I put the shroud on 🤦🏼‍♂️
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Back on Team Green after 23 years. Had a 21 CRF on order but needed a bike and cancelled the order. This 21 Kawi such a good bike, forks too soft but that's it. Love this bike.
Don Leib at Rocket exhaust is doing us the Vital deal on a black ano pipe.
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/10/02/452195/s1200_E712E6CC_953E_4337_8279_F674F399825D.jpg[/img] Back on Team Green after 23 years. Had a 21 CRF on order but needed a bike and cancelled the order. This 21 Kawi such...


Back on Team Green after 23 years. Had a 21 CRF on order but needed a bike and cancelled the order. This 21 Kawi such a good bike, forks too soft but that's it. Love this bike.
Don Leib at Rocket exhaust is doing us the Vital deal on a black ano pipe.
Post up what you think of the pipe! Interested as they offer a pretty hefty veteran discount
10/2/2020 4:27am Edited Date/Time 10/2/2020 4:32am
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/10/02/452195/s1200_E712E6CC_953E_4337_8279_F674F399825D.jpg[/img] Back on Team Green after 23 years. Had a 21 CRF on order but needed a bike and cancelled the order. This 21 Kawi such...


Back on Team Green after 23 years. Had a 21 CRF on order but needed a bike and cancelled the order. This 21 Kawi such a good bike, forks too soft but that's it. Love this bike.
Don Leib at Rocket exhaust is doing us the Vital deal on a black ano pipe.
Just get the right spring rates for your weight (.53 forks and 6.0 shock were my magic numbers). If the forks still bottom a bit, get a syringe and put 10ccs of fork oil in each leg through the air bleed hole. Slide the forks down 2mm. After that, clicker adjustments will get you where you need to be. After these changes, mine is the best handling bike I’ve owned. Congrats!
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10/2/2020 4:34am
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/10/02/452195/s1200_E712E6CC_953E_4337_8279_F674F399825D.jpg[/img] Back on Team Green after 23 years. Had a 21 CRF on order but needed a bike and cancelled the order. This 21 Kawi such...


Back on Team Green after 23 years. Had a 21 CRF on order but needed a bike and cancelled the order. This 21 Kawi such a good bike, forks too soft but that's it. Love this bike.
Don Leib at Rocket exhaust is doing us the Vital deal on a black ano pipe.
LeMay_848 wrote:
Post up what you think of the pipe! Interested as they offer a pretty hefty veteran discount
Will do. Does 20% for Vitards.
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10/2/2020 5:29am
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/10/02/452195/s1200_E712E6CC_953E_4337_8279_F674F399825D.jpg[/img] Back on Team Green after 23 years. Had a 21 CRF on order but needed a bike and cancelled the order. This 21 Kawi such...


Back on Team Green after 23 years. Had a 21 CRF on order but needed a bike and cancelled the order. This 21 Kawi such a good bike, forks too soft but that's it. Love this bike.
Don Leib at Rocket exhaust is doing us the Vital deal on a black ano pipe.
LeMay_848 wrote:
Post up what you think of the pipe! Interested as they offer a pretty hefty veteran discount
Will do. Does 20% for Vitards.
Make sure the exhaust is rubber mounted. If you look back through this topic, you’ll see that solid mount mufflers break subframes.
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/10/02/452195/s1200_E712E6CC_953E_4337_8279_F674F399825D.jpg[/img] Back on Team Green after 23 years. Had a 21 CRF on order but needed a bike and cancelled the order. This 21 Kawi such...


Back on Team Green after 23 years. Had a 21 CRF on order but needed a bike and cancelled the order. This 21 Kawi such a good bike, forks too soft but that's it. Love this bike.
Don Leib at Rocket exhaust is doing us the Vital deal on a black ano pipe.
congrats.. is that a 250 or 450? Ive only seen black tips on 250 exhaust...
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/10/02/452195/s1200_E712E6CC_953E_4337_8279_F674F399825D.jpg[/img] Back on Team Green after 23 years. Had a 21 CRF on order but needed a bike and cancelled the order. This 21 Kawi such...


Back on Team Green after 23 years. Had a 21 CRF on order but needed a bike and cancelled the order. This 21 Kawi such a good bike, forks too soft but that's it. Love this bike.
Don Leib at Rocket exhaust is doing us the Vital deal on a black ano pipe.
stax199 wrote:
congrats.. is that a 250 or 450? Ive only seen black tips on 250 exhaust...
My 2020 450 has a black exhaust tip, UK bike
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JB479 wrote:
When is everyone doing top ends? Im at 70 hours and im Considering getting a timing chain and piston put in. Never hit the limiter and...
When is everyone doing top ends? Im at 70 hours and im Considering getting a timing chain and piston put in. Never hit the limiter and i always short shift.
I did my top end at 55 hours. I probably could have gone a bit longer. At 70, I would get it changed. These pistons have...
I did my top end at 55 hours. I probably could have gone a bit longer. At 70, I would get it changed. These pistons have very short skirts, and if you wait too long you are going to use up cylinder plating life faster, requiring a replace sooner.
WDSRCR wrote:
I am hoping to get to 75 or 100 hours. I have had my 21 XC for right at a month now and am at 20...
I am hoping to get to 75 or 100 hours. I have had my 21 XC for right at a month now and am at 20 hours. I'd like to NOT have to drop 1k + into it, AGAIN, this soon.
So you have the 21 kx450xc?
Give us a ride review, I have a 20 kx450 that I use for xc, still trying to get suspension worked out, I thought about trying eather the new 250 or 450 xc
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/10/02/452195/s1200_E712E6CC_953E_4337_8279_F674F399825D.jpg[/img] Back on Team Green after 23 years. Had a 21 CRF on order but needed a bike and cancelled the order. This 21 Kawi such...


Back on Team Green after 23 years. Had a 21 CRF on order but needed a bike and cancelled the order. This 21 Kawi such a good bike, forks too soft but that's it. Love this bike.
Don Leib at Rocket exhaust is doing us the Vital deal on a black ano pipe.
LeMay_848 wrote:
Post up what you think of the pipe! Interested as they offer a pretty hefty veteran discount
Will do. Does 20% for Vitards.
Is there a code to get the vital deal on a rocket pipe? I’m interested!
10/2/2020 3:31pm Edited Date/Time 10/2/2020 3:33pm
LeMay_848 wrote:
Post up what you think of the pipe! Interested as they offer a pretty hefty veteran discount
Will do. Does 20% for Vitards.
seven10 wrote:
Is there a code to get the vital deal on a rocket pipe? I’m interested!
Email Don at info@rocketexhaust. com, he was quick getting back to me. Let him know youre on here and saw it on the Kawi page. Pretty cool deal.
10/4/2020 1:00am Edited Date/Time 10/4/2020 1:01am
Drained my forks to check the oil level as they bottomed way too easy. Had 260cc in them. Added 60cc.
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Drained my forks to check the oil level as they bottomed way too easy. Had 260cc in them. Added 60cc.
Had 290cc in mine. Settled on 335cc and is working great. Had a seat bolt fall out yesterday. I could have sworn I had blue lock tite on it but it fell out anyway (non filter side). I agree with everyone else, the bolts are cheap.
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Well I’m missing my 250 2t, so I’m thinking my 20 kx450, is going , what are they selling for now? I’m thinking around $7500?
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I did my top end at 55 hours. I probably could have gone a bit longer. At 70, I would get it changed. These pistons have...
I did my top end at 55 hours. I probably could have gone a bit longer. At 70, I would get it changed. These pistons have very short skirts, and if you wait too long you are going to use up cylinder plating life faster, requiring a replace sooner.
WDSRCR wrote:
I am hoping to get to 75 or 100 hours. I have had my 21 XC for right at a month now and am at 20...
I am hoping to get to 75 or 100 hours. I have had my 21 XC for right at a month now and am at 20 hours. I'd like to NOT have to drop 1k + into it, AGAIN, this soon.
DB505 wrote:
So you have the 21 kx450xc? Give us a ride review, I have a 20 kx450 that I use for xc, still trying to get suspension...
So you have the 21 kx450xc?
Give us a ride review, I have a 20 kx450 that I use for xc, still trying to get suspension worked out, I thought about trying eather the new 250 or 450 xc
Yes, mine is a 21 450XC.

Right now I have around 26-28 hours. I'll check the meter for sure tonight. I have installed an IMS fuel tank, FMF 4.1 Ti exhaust (full system), and G2 handguards so far. If you want to see more photos and even more information, feel free to follow me on instagram @woodsracer126

It has been pretty good for me so far. I am a 40 Year Old, decently fast A offroad rider that has raced 2 strokes for over 20 years. This is my first 4 stroke I have owned.


The engine is the same as the MX model from what I am understanding. There was some confusion at first that maybe the ECU was tuned differently but I am hearing now that they are not. I have been using the white connector mostly for the woods riding I have been doing. I have rode the Mudobbers NEPG Enduro course on it twice now, a family enduro with my wife, and did two days in northern Michigan on it.

Its a little bit much in really tight woods so far but it is manageable. Once the trail opens up a little, LOOK OUT! The acceleration is intense. I am coming off a 2019 KTM 250XC with SX head and other mods and it is not even close as far as power.

The suspension is pretty good out of the box but I am setting up a time this week to meet with my suspension guy to ride and make some adjustments. I am 220lb. with no gear so I definitely need springs.

The rear compression adjuster is all the way out and rebound is out two clicks from stock.

The forks are what REALLY shine on the bike thus far. Even undersprung for my weight, they have great "hold up" and provide very good initial plushness. They ramp up pretty quickly as they enter into the mid stroke though and then start to deflect on me a little.

Once I get this suspension dialed, I think the tight woods manners will really come around for me. For an average east coast guy, I'd say its probably too stiff. If you're a guy who rides open trails and mixes moto in, it's probably pretty close.

The OEM skid plate that comes with the bike is pretty weak so I have an Acerbis to install this week.

The kickstand is a pretty heavy, ugly, steel unit but it holds the bike up so I'm not complaining.

I have had to replace the chain, chain guide, and chain slider so far. I have been through two sets of tires. It's about to need rear brakes, and I feel like all I have been doing is changing oil!
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Anyone here broken an airbox? Got into a wreck with another bike and thought it was a pretty odd part to break.

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10/5/2020 7:57am
WDSRCR wrote:
I am hoping to get to 75 or 100 hours. I have had my 21 XC for right at a month now and am at 20...
I am hoping to get to 75 or 100 hours. I have had my 21 XC for right at a month now and am at 20 hours. I'd like to NOT have to drop 1k + into it, AGAIN, this soon.
DB505 wrote:
So you have the 21 kx450xc? Give us a ride review, I have a 20 kx450 that I use for xc, still trying to get suspension...
So you have the 21 kx450xc?
Give us a ride review, I have a 20 kx450 that I use for xc, still trying to get suspension worked out, I thought about trying eather the new 250 or 450 xc
WDSRCR wrote:
Yes, mine is a 21 450XC. Right now I have around 26-28 hours. I'll check the meter for sure tonight. I have installed an IMS fuel...
Yes, mine is a 21 450XC.

Right now I have around 26-28 hours. I'll check the meter for sure tonight. I have installed an IMS fuel tank, FMF 4.1 Ti exhaust (full system), and G2 handguards so far. If you want to see more photos and even more information, feel free to follow me on instagram @woodsracer126

It has been pretty good for me so far. I am a 40 Year Old, decently fast A offroad rider that has raced 2 strokes for over 20 years. This is my first 4 stroke I have owned.


The engine is the same as the MX model from what I am understanding. There was some confusion at first that maybe the ECU was tuned differently but I am hearing now that they are not. I have been using the white connector mostly for the woods riding I have been doing. I have rode the Mudobbers NEPG Enduro course on it twice now, a family enduro with my wife, and did two days in northern Michigan on it.

Its a little bit much in really tight woods so far but it is manageable. Once the trail opens up a little, LOOK OUT! The acceleration is intense. I am coming off a 2019 KTM 250XC with SX head and other mods and it is not even close as far as power.

The suspension is pretty good out of the box but I am setting up a time this week to meet with my suspension guy to ride and make some adjustments. I am 220lb. with no gear so I definitely need springs.

The rear compression adjuster is all the way out and rebound is out two clicks from stock.

The forks are what REALLY shine on the bike thus far. Even undersprung for my weight, they have great "hold up" and provide very good initial plushness. They ramp up pretty quickly as they enter into the mid stroke though and then start to deflect on me a little.

Once I get this suspension dialed, I think the tight woods manners will really come around for me. For an average east coast guy, I'd say its probably too stiff. If you're a guy who rides open trails and mixes moto in, it's probably pretty close.

The OEM skid plate that comes with the bike is pretty weak so I have an Acerbis to install this week.

The kickstand is a pretty heavy, ugly, steel unit but it holds the bike up so I'm not complaining.

I have had to replace the chain, chain guide, and chain slider so far. I have been through two sets of tires. It's about to need rear brakes, and I feel like all I have been doing is changing oil!
I think we've shared some notes on Thumpertalk, but interesting that you are running the white coupler. I run the black coupler offroad and feel that has made the power much easier for single track.

Also, have heard the G2 throttle cam system is a good modification for this as well.

Good luck!
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bh wrote:
Anyone here broken an airbox? Got into a wreck with another bike and thought it was a pretty odd part to break. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/10/05/452671/s1200_FE6B1E5F_A277_476A_8C45_67986FE6F0EC.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/10/05/452672/s1200_B5B99576_BE9E_4188_AF28_01A195A48A12.jpg[/img]
Anyone here broken an airbox? Got into a wreck with another bike and thought it was a pretty odd part to break.

Mine started separating at the bottom from use. Not an issue but i replaced it anyways. Never cracked one or anything like that.
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DB505 wrote:
So you have the 21 kx450xc? Give us a ride review, I have a 20 kx450 that I use for xc, still trying to get suspension...
So you have the 21 kx450xc?
Give us a ride review, I have a 20 kx450 that I use for xc, still trying to get suspension worked out, I thought about trying eather the new 250 or 450 xc
WDSRCR wrote:
Yes, mine is a 21 450XC. Right now I have around 26-28 hours. I'll check the meter for sure tonight. I have installed an IMS fuel...
Yes, mine is a 21 450XC.

Right now I have around 26-28 hours. I'll check the meter for sure tonight. I have installed an IMS fuel tank, FMF 4.1 Ti exhaust (full system), and G2 handguards so far. If you want to see more photos and even more information, feel free to follow me on instagram @woodsracer126

It has been pretty good for me so far. I am a 40 Year Old, decently fast A offroad rider that has raced 2 strokes for over 20 years. This is my first 4 stroke I have owned.


The engine is the same as the MX model from what I am understanding. There was some confusion at first that maybe the ECU was tuned differently but I am hearing now that they are not. I have been using the white connector mostly for the woods riding I have been doing. I have rode the Mudobbers NEPG Enduro course on it twice now, a family enduro with my wife, and did two days in northern Michigan on it.

Its a little bit much in really tight woods so far but it is manageable. Once the trail opens up a little, LOOK OUT! The acceleration is intense. I am coming off a 2019 KTM 250XC with SX head and other mods and it is not even close as far as power.

The suspension is pretty good out of the box but I am setting up a time this week to meet with my suspension guy to ride and make some adjustments. I am 220lb. with no gear so I definitely need springs.

The rear compression adjuster is all the way out and rebound is out two clicks from stock.

The forks are what REALLY shine on the bike thus far. Even undersprung for my weight, they have great "hold up" and provide very good initial plushness. They ramp up pretty quickly as they enter into the mid stroke though and then start to deflect on me a little.

Once I get this suspension dialed, I think the tight woods manners will really come around for me. For an average east coast guy, I'd say its probably too stiff. If you're a guy who rides open trails and mixes moto in, it's probably pretty close.

The OEM skid plate that comes with the bike is pretty weak so I have an Acerbis to install this week.

The kickstand is a pretty heavy, ugly, steel unit but it holds the bike up so I'm not complaining.

I have had to replace the chain, chain guide, and chain slider so far. I have been through two sets of tires. It's about to need rear brakes, and I feel like all I have been doing is changing oil!
Nate_Z wrote:
I think we've shared some notes on Thumpertalk, but interesting that you are running the white coupler. I run the black coupler offroad and feel that...
I think we've shared some notes on Thumpertalk, but interesting that you are running the white coupler. I run the black coupler offroad and feel that has made the power much easier for single track.

Also, have heard the G2 throttle cam system is a good modification for this as well.

Good luck!
Yes, that would be me on Thumpertalk.

I used the black coupler the first couple days I rode the bike but it seemed like the bike flamed out or just stalled a little more often. I need to ride with it again now that I am getting used to the bike.

I used the green coupler when I was in wolverine in the rain. It was decent but definitely mellower than the white.
10/8/2020 4:43am
Whats every running in the forks fluid capacity wise?

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