How about Stu Baylor!

9/17/2020 5:03am
Ramrod wrote:
Can one of you guys give us a bio or background on him? Seems like he has a NFG style to how he speaks and what...
Can one of you guys give us a bio or background on him?

Seems like he has a NFG style to how he speaks and what he feels.
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4 Time National Enduro Champ (one at a really young age if I remember right?) GNCC XC2 Champion Full Gas Sprint Enduro Champ Was on the...
4 Time National Enduro Champ (one at a really young age if I remember right?)

GNCC XC2 Champion

Full Gas Sprint Enduro Champ

Was on the winning ISDE team last year and has also been on a Junior Team that won ISDE.

He did have a Factory KTM ride for awhile, as well as several support rides over the years but he is his own man and doesn't shy away from that. Seems to be that most teams are a little afraid of him despite the fact that he can show up and win, any day, any time, any conditions, at any series on the East Coast.

If Hawkins doesn't want him, Yamaha should cough up the support/bonuses for him to do his own thing and make ends meat. He could legitimately bring them a GNCC and Enduro title next year. His ride this weekend shows his plenty capable of making the bike work with the connections and resources he has, he didn't use AmPro suspension set up, he had some done by his own guy.
This is the exact points I am trying to get across.
9/17/2020 5:05am
Tuna wrote:
I don’t think anyone is telling the guy how to live. You reap what you sow. You seem upset man.
grobbins81 wrote:
Lol okay disregard my comments then, no upset feelings here. Super pumped for the dude. Just find it funny he gets all this praise now when...
Lol okay disregard my comments then, no upset feelings here. Super pumped for the dude. Just find it funny he gets all this praise now when it was well deserved years ago. No disrespect to anyone, dude just deserves more opportunities like the one he received this past weekend because he’s clearly capable of being right there in the front .
agn5009 wrote:
He doesn't get praise because he's taken a back seat to Russell and Duvall since they've all been in the XC1 class. Stu is an amazing...
He doesn't get praise because he's taken a back seat to Russell and Duvall since they've all been in the XC1 class. Stu is an amazing rider and I'm really happy for him that he got the win this past weekend but if you honestly think he has had anything for Russell and Duvall then you're just lying to yourself.
Okay you win buddy 😃
9/17/2020 6:20am

Does anyone know where his full podium interview is at? The interview at the end of the full race posted my RacerTV is edited.
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9/17/2020 6:21am
Ramrod wrote:
Can one of you guys give us a bio or background on him? Seems like he has a NFG style to how he speaks and what...
Can one of you guys give us a bio or background on him?

Seems like he has a NFG style to how he speaks and what he feels.
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He wasn't always so brash as he is now. I think KTM and other sectors of the industry pushed him to that point by treating him...
He wasn't always so brash as he is now. I think KTM and other sectors of the industry pushed him to that point by treating him like a lesser person than some other riders.

KR is no more of a statesman than Stu, yet he was welcomed into the club (for various reasons) which some of you all no doubt know. I have little doubt that if Stu would have received the same treatment as KR over the years he would have had similar and probably more success.
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While I completely agree that Stu Baylor is a beast, comparing him to Kailub Russell is a bit of a stretch. Their careers have spanned most...
While I completely agree that Stu Baylor is a beast, comparing him to Kailub Russell is a bit of a stretch. Their careers have spanned most of the same timeframe, and Stu has always been on top level equipment. Including the same factory team, at the same time as Kailub. As of today, I believe Stu has 4 overall wins and zero XC1 championships. KR has nearly 70 overalls with 7 ( soon to be 8) straight championships. Regardless, it’s a damn shame that any GNCC racer that’s capable of podium finishes isn’t making a good living. Extremely difficult sport and the guys at the top are animals!
No stretch at all. Stu's career has not followed KR's at all in the way of opportunities and resources from the very get go. I don't know how everything has went down but i probably do know a bit more than most. Even when Stu was on the top equipment he was often getting shafted by his so called employers. Even back in his xc2 days while delivering a championship. The reality of how many of these riders contracts are handled verses the perception that the fans see is often a vast contrast.

But it is seldom brought to light because it is such a small industry the riders just try to save face for the next run around. Also i feel like many of them think they have to keep up the perception because so many of their peers have bought into it. At the end of the day it is their choice to try and race for a living, its just a shame that some others try to scavenge off of that drive at times.

Just my 2 shekels, many different ways to view all this. Dirt bikes are fun.Woohoo
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9/17/2020 6:32am

Does anyone know where his full podium interview is at? The interview at the end of the full race posted my RacerTV is edited.


Huh.. your right here is the edited version for anyone who wants to check it out.
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I know someone who held contract talks with him this year. I was told his main requests were 100k salary, the team has to pay for his mechanic (didn’t want one of the team’s), he wanted to use his suspension guy, wanted his own gear, helmet and boot deal and then a bonus structure on top of that.

There were concerns from the OEM involved in that team about what Stu might say or do.

And supposedly he went to some of the team’s sponsors during negotiations and tried to get his own private deals put together.

Just what I was told...never met Stu personally, just heard a bit about his negotiations this year from two teams that were talking to him about a potential deal.
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Many of you here are totally oblivious to the true story here. Sherco let him go with no explanation at all. He explained that clearly on...
Many of you here are totally oblivious to the true story here. Sherco let him go with no explanation at all. He explained that clearly on the OTP podcast the other day. He’s an outspoken guy, who lives his life like the rest of us and doesn’t try to pull off some kind of corporate bullshit. He likes to eat good like we all do and have a beer or two when the time right. What’s wrong with that? Yeah sure he’s outspoken and doesn’t hold anything back, but none of you can deny the fact the dude is a bad mother&%$#@!er on a bike. Stew is the most accomplished offroad racer right behind KR yet gets constantly treated as an outcast. Corporate shit is ridiculous. He didn’t race the Kawi because he has been training the next generation of racers, practicing, and dogging the shit out of the thing. How many of you would trust a bike with that kind of abuse for a 3 hour GNCC at the highest level? Exactly. I think I read years ago that he puts 300+ hours on his bikes each year. He rides all the time. I believe he said it best when he said, “I don’t have a plan moving forward. If me winning, and then that big crowd at the finish line cheering doesn’t say everything about me, then, I guess I’ll leave that up to the teams.“ He WILL get an offer and be right there with Duvall, Bollinger, Kelley, and both Strang and Toth next year when the time comes. He’s proven enough at this point. The man has bills to pay, that doesn’t make him a crybaby to explain himself and talk about how shafted he has been by everyone around him. If being himself isn’t enough for these teams then they don’t deserve him anyways. Trust me, a team will pick him up and he will potentially even take this enduro title this year as well. Shit, he could do it on his own if he could get the funds. Stew is a bad ass dude and he doesn’t care what anyone thinks about him. If you’ve got a problem with that then you shouldn’t even be part of this sport. Let the dude live how he wants to live. He clearly can still win a 3 hour brutal GNCC on a bike he had an hour an 20 minutes on. Are you guys insane? Dude is an animal. Open your eyes.
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I don’t think anyone is telling the guy how to live. You reap what you sow. You seem upset man.
grobbins81 wrote:
Lol okay disregard my comments then, no upset feelings here. Super pumped for the dude. Just find it funny he gets all this praise now when...
Lol okay disregard my comments then, no upset feelings here. Super pumped for the dude. Just find it funny he gets all this praise now when it was well deserved years ago. No disrespect to anyone, dude just deserves more opportunities like the one he received this past weekend because he’s clearly capable of being right there in the front .
That’s how life goes sometimes. Some people can get past it, some just don’t. Life is not always fair and the game is sometimes rigged.
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ML512 wrote:
I know someone who held contract talks with him this year. I was told his main requests were 100k salary, the team has to pay for...
I know someone who held contract talks with him this year. I was told his main requests were 100k salary, the team has to pay for his mechanic (didn’t want one of the team’s), he wanted to use his suspension guy, wanted his own gear, helmet and boot deal and then a bonus structure on top of that.

There were concerns from the OEM involved in that team about what Stu might say or do.

And supposedly he went to some of the team’s sponsors during negotiations and tried to get his own private deals put together.

Just what I was told...never met Stu personally, just heard a bit about his negotiations this year from two teams that were talking to him about a potential deal.
sounds about right
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ML512 wrote:
I know someone who held contract talks with him this year. I was told his main requests were 100k salary, the team has to pay for...
I know someone who held contract talks with him this year. I was told his main requests were 100k salary, the team has to pay for his mechanic (didn’t want one of the team’s), he wanted to use his suspension guy, wanted his own gear, helmet and boot deal and then a bonus structure on top of that.

There were concerns from the OEM involved in that team about what Stu might say or do.

And supposedly he went to some of the team’s sponsors during negotiations and tried to get his own private deals put together.

Just what I was told...never met Stu personally, just heard a bit about his negotiations this year from two teams that were talking to him about a potential deal.
MackFaint wrote:
sounds about right
Pretty close to the same thing I heard too. Probably from the same team.

I don't blame him though. He took a chance with Sherco for big money. That flopped and now he needs to make as much as he can in the relatively short time he has left in his career.

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ML512 wrote:
I know someone who held contract talks with him this year. I was told his main requests were 100k salary, the team has to pay for...
I know someone who held contract talks with him this year. I was told his main requests were 100k salary, the team has to pay for his mechanic (didn’t want one of the team’s), he wanted to use his suspension guy, wanted his own gear, helmet and boot deal and then a bonus structure on top of that.

There were concerns from the OEM involved in that team about what Stu might say or do.

And supposedly he went to some of the team’s sponsors during negotiations and tried to get his own private deals put together.

Just what I was told...never met Stu personally, just heard a bit about his negotiations this year from two teams that were talking to him about a potential deal.
MackFaint wrote:
sounds about right
WDSRCR wrote:
Pretty close to the same thing I heard too. Probably from the same team. I don't blame him though. He took a chance with Sherco for...
Pretty close to the same thing I heard too. Probably from the same team.

I don't blame him though. He took a chance with Sherco for big money. That flopped and now he needs to make as much as he can in the relatively short time he has left in his career.

Agreed. By example, I was listening in and sorta kicking in thoughts on an offer being presented to another top off road racer. It was for about 50k more on salary, 150 range...bonuses were really good, but the rider had to take all the team deals on. and said rider has won quite a few professional titles and has a solid win ratio. And many of the sponsors involved were more keen on his image.

I’d say his salary range with most teams would be 80-100k. If he can do what he says, he negotiates better bonuses and will clean up. He also has to work with the team’s brands, if he wants so many of his own people involved he will likely need to setup his own program. Salary in the range of a KR or Taylor Roberts is unlikely to happen.
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MackFaint wrote:
sounds about right
WDSRCR wrote:
Pretty close to the same thing I heard too. Probably from the same team. I don't blame him though. He took a chance with Sherco for...
Pretty close to the same thing I heard too. Probably from the same team.

I don't blame him though. He took a chance with Sherco for big money. That flopped and now he needs to make as much as he can in the relatively short time he has left in his career.

ML512 wrote:
Agreed. By example, I was listening in and sorta kicking in thoughts on an offer being presented to another top off road racer. It was for...
Agreed. By example, I was listening in and sorta kicking in thoughts on an offer being presented to another top off road racer. It was for about 50k more on salary, 150 range...bonuses were really good, but the rider had to take all the team deals on. and said rider has won quite a few professional titles and has a solid win ratio. And many of the sponsors involved were more keen on his image.

I’d say his salary range with most teams would be 80-100k. If he can do what he says, he negotiates better bonuses and will clean up. He also has to work with the team’s brands, if he wants so many of his own people involved he will likely need to setup his own program. Salary in the range of a KR or Taylor Roberts is unlikely to happen.
Did you hear the number he said he was getting from Sherco? The number I heard was insane!

If you heard it from the same brand I heard it from, it would have been good for them just to have the #1 plate on their bike at the NEPG rounds for the remainder of the series. Something I don't think they have ever had or at least not in a LONG time.
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WDSRCR wrote:
Pretty close to the same thing I heard too. Probably from the same team. I don't blame him though. He took a chance with Sherco for...
Pretty close to the same thing I heard too. Probably from the same team.

I don't blame him though. He took a chance with Sherco for big money. That flopped and now he needs to make as much as he can in the relatively short time he has left in his career.

ML512 wrote:
Agreed. By example, I was listening in and sorta kicking in thoughts on an offer being presented to another top off road racer. It was for...
Agreed. By example, I was listening in and sorta kicking in thoughts on an offer being presented to another top off road racer. It was for about 50k more on salary, 150 range...bonuses were really good, but the rider had to take all the team deals on. and said rider has won quite a few professional titles and has a solid win ratio. And many of the sponsors involved were more keen on his image.

I’d say his salary range with most teams would be 80-100k. If he can do what he says, he negotiates better bonuses and will clean up. He also has to work with the team’s brands, if he wants so many of his own people involved he will likely need to setup his own program. Salary in the range of a KR or Taylor Roberts is unlikely to happen.
WDSRCR wrote:
Did you hear the number he said he was getting from Sherco? The number I heard was insane! If you heard it from the same brand...
Did you hear the number he said he was getting from Sherco? The number I heard was insane!

If you heard it from the same brand I heard it from, it would have been good for them just to have the #1 plate on their bike at the NEPG rounds for the remainder of the series. Something I don't think they have ever had or at least not in a LONG time.
The group I’m referring to doesn’t really have a focus on NEPG, although their riders do race some.
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ML512 wrote:
Agreed. By example, I was listening in and sorta kicking in thoughts on an offer being presented to another top off road racer. It was for...
Agreed. By example, I was listening in and sorta kicking in thoughts on an offer being presented to another top off road racer. It was for about 50k more on salary, 150 range...bonuses were really good, but the rider had to take all the team deals on. and said rider has won quite a few professional titles and has a solid win ratio. And many of the sponsors involved were more keen on his image.

I’d say his salary range with most teams would be 80-100k. If he can do what he says, he negotiates better bonuses and will clean up. He also has to work with the team’s brands, if he wants so many of his own people involved he will likely need to setup his own program. Salary in the range of a KR or Taylor Roberts is unlikely to happen.
WDSRCR wrote:
Did you hear the number he said he was getting from Sherco? The number I heard was insane! If you heard it from the same brand...
Did you hear the number he said he was getting from Sherco? The number I heard was insane!

If you heard it from the same brand I heard it from, it would have been good for them just to have the #1 plate on their bike at the NEPG rounds for the remainder of the series. Something I don't think they have ever had or at least not in a LONG time.
ML512 wrote:
The group I’m referring to doesn’t really have a focus on NEPG, although their riders do race some.
ML512, I IM'ed you.

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Did you hear the number he said he was getting from Sherco? The number I heard was insane! If you heard it from the same brand...
Did you hear the number he said he was getting from Sherco? The number I heard was insane!

If you heard it from the same brand I heard it from, it would have been good for them just to have the #1 plate on their bike at the NEPG rounds for the remainder of the series. Something I don't think they have ever had or at least not in a LONG time.
Insane in how much ? over 500k?
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9/17/2020 8:35am Edited Date/Time 9/17/2020 8:40am
Remember, he said he had an offer for next year that he considered on the level of a 5th place guy and turned it down.
Almost no one has budget left for 2020 this late in the year, it's all spoken for. Next year is a totally different deal.

He is certainly a top contender, but his resume is not that great to command a big salary. If he gets a good bonus program it won't matter. At this point some team can slap a #1 plate on their bike for this year and very possibly next year in NEPG. That has value to any team marketing enduro models.

This reminds me of Brad Lackey, World Champ who couldn't get anyone to work on his terms the next year. He did it his way.

Stu popped off on the podium, "Where is your overall?" obviously directed to Factory One Sherco. He was brought to tears for a moment. It's hard not to be a fan.

Let's not forget that last year at the same race he was 1/2 mile from winning when his KTM quit running. He's hard on bikes and he knows it.
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If your writing checks you want certain things. True in any endeavor. The more money involved and lots of public exposure the more is expected.
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Seems like Stu doesn't have much of a filter.

He could bring a lot of excitement and entertainment for fans if he can stay involved at the top level.
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That was a really down to earth interview. Anyone know why he got sacked from sherco?
This is a summarized version.....

In the beginning of the season when he was on the Factory Sherco (A new factory team).... He was leading Kailub Russel by about 3-4 seconds on the last lap of a harescramble and blew the last corner of the race. Kailub R got by him and took the win in the last few seconds of the race.

Well then......when SB was on the podium he said something like... "We dont even have f--king Quick Fill gas tanks yet... Lots of shit needs to change!" (referring to the fact that the new shercos still didnt have a factory quick fill valves and he had to remove the gas cap himself coming into the pits and lost about 8 seconds. Those 8 seconds were the difference in losing the lead in the last corner.)

I guess Sherco didnt like that. Dude got fired.

Im sure there was more instances... but you get the idear.

He is like the Bob Hannah of enduro/harescrambles.

I love it.
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Wasn’t there also something about him not notifying Sherco of his knee surgery?

He’s always been riiiight on the edge of making something really happen in the way of a championship run. He’s a bad dude. I can understand him being pissed about not having the proper tools to make that happen. Hell, I remember he was running orange chain guides in the off-season because he couldn’t get parts.

Either way, he’s great for the sport. So is Sherco. They’re helping a lot of dudes right now. I wish them both the best.
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That was a really down to earth interview. Anyone know why he got sacked from sherco?
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This is a summarized version..... In the beginning of the season when he was on the Factory Sherco (A new factory team).... He was leading Kailub...
This is a summarized version.....

In the beginning of the season when he was on the Factory Sherco (A new factory team).... He was leading Kailub Russel by about 3-4 seconds on the last lap of a harescramble and blew the last corner of the race. Kailub R got by him and took the win in the last few seconds of the race.

Well then......when SB was on the podium he said something like... "We dont even have f--king Quick Fill gas tanks yet... Lots of shit needs to change!" (referring to the fact that the new shercos still didnt have a factory quick fill valves and he had to remove the gas cap himself coming into the pits and lost about 8 seconds. Those 8 seconds were the difference in losing the lead in the last corner.)

I guess Sherco didnt like that. Dude got fired.

Im sure there was more instances... but you get the idear.

He is like the Bob Hannah of enduro/harescrambles.

I love it.
He said in an interview he did with otb the other day that his clutch was completely smoked at the end of that race as well. I find it hard to imagine Sherco would off him for that. They were and still are pitting out of an ENCLOSED TRAILER and I think they where using stews truck to take it to the races. Just insane imo that they would off him for any reason.
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After listening to the OTP podcast, it seems he has a bit of a “race to race” deal with amaproyamaha. Seems they’re working on something further. Interesting and honest assessment by Stu on the different brand of bikes (KTM, husky, Sherco, Kawasaki, and now Yamaha).
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Put it on the podium again this weekend at the NEPG just 1 second off the win.
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He still needs to ride a Honda, Suzuki, TM and Beta.Wink
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Yamaha needs to make this happen if they want a GNCC contender next year, Stu is the only guy available that will be able to win in my opinion.

I'm the biggest Ricky Russell fan around, but it's been awhile since Yamaha had a legit contender in GNCC that could show up and win any weekend. It's time, they have a rich history of GNCC success, someone needs to bring the fight to KTM/Husky.
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Yamaha needs to make this happen if they want a GNCC contender next year, Stu is the only guy available that will be able to win...
Yamaha needs to make this happen if they want a GNCC contender next year, Stu is the only guy available that will be able to win in my opinion.

I'm the biggest Ricky Russell fan around, but it's been awhile since Yamaha had a legit contender in GNCC that could show up and win any weekend. It's time, they have a rich history of GNCC success, someone needs to bring the fight to KTM/Husky.
ricky russell has been on a husky for nearly a year now..
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ricky russell has been on a husky for nearly a year now..
I'm aware. I've known Ricky since he was 12 years old.

I was pointing out that he was the most recent guy to win on a Yamaha, but even then he was not a threat to do that every weekend.
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Ramrod wrote:
Can one of you guys give us a bio or background on him? Seems like he has a NFG style to how he speaks and what...
Can one of you guys give us a bio or background on him?

Seems like he has a NFG style to how he speaks and what he feels.
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He wasn't always so brash as he is now. I think KTM and other sectors of the industry pushed him to that point by treating him...
He wasn't always so brash as he is now. I think KTM and other sectors of the industry pushed him to that point by treating him like a lesser person than some other riders.

KR is no more of a statesman than Stu, yet he was welcomed into the club (for various reasons) which some of you all no doubt know. I have little doubt that if Stu would have received the same treatment as KR over the years he would have had similar and probably more success.
The difference between Stu and the other guys is his wrist injury the year after winning Xc2. I don’t remember if he had the bone removed or all 5 bones forged together. The same injury caused Charlie Mullins to retire and many others. Stu was screwed over by Sherco. There is more to the story than can be put on a message board.

A healthy Stu and he and KR split a few championships. Stu and Mullins were KRs only real competition.
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I'm ready to hear the dirt on the Sherco deal.

Did they realize Stu was gonna bleed the whole operation dry just on the parts he was gonna go through? Cause lets be real, they just aren't quite up to the task, must be a graveyard of them alongside his garage right now unless Sherco took the time to come pick up the pieces Laughing
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Ramrod wrote:
Can one of you guys give us a bio or background on him? Seems like he has a NFG style to how he speaks and what...
Can one of you guys give us a bio or background on him?

Seems like he has a NFG style to how he speaks and what he feels.
hard2kill wrote:
He wasn't always so brash as he is now. I think KTM and other sectors of the industry pushed him to that point by treating him...
He wasn't always so brash as he is now. I think KTM and other sectors of the industry pushed him to that point by treating him like a lesser person than some other riders.

KR is no more of a statesman than Stu, yet he was welcomed into the club (for various reasons) which some of you all no doubt know. I have little doubt that if Stu would have received the same treatment as KR over the years he would have had similar and probably more success.
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The difference between Stu and the other guys is his wrist injury the year after winning Xc2. I don’t remember if he had the bone removed...
The difference between Stu and the other guys is his wrist injury the year after winning Xc2. I don’t remember if he had the bone removed or all 5 bones forged together. The same injury caused Charlie Mullins to retire and many others. Stu was screwed over by Sherco. There is more to the story than can be put on a message board.

A healthy Stu and he and KR split a few championships. Stu and Mullins were KRs only real competition.
Thad would like a word.
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9/25/2020 2:36pm Edited Date/Time 9/25/2020 2:37pm
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I know someone who held contract talks with him this year. I was told his main requests were 100k salary, the team has to pay for...
I know someone who held contract talks with him this year. I was told his main requests were 100k salary, the team has to pay for his mechanic (didn’t want one of the team’s), he wanted to use his suspension guy, wanted his own gear, helmet and boot deal and then a bonus structure on top of that.

There were concerns from the OEM involved in that team about what Stu might say or do.

And supposedly he went to some of the team’s sponsors during negotiations and tried to get his own private deals put together.

Just what I was told...never met Stu personally, just heard a bit about his negotiations this year from two teams that were talking to him about a potential deal.
crazy to think that one of the fastest offroad riders in the world could only be making 100k right now. I wish I was Jeff Bezos. I'd give every guy inside the top 20 of every major series about $250k bonus just for being bad asses on dirt bikes 😄
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