DC, do the right thing

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6/4/2009 12:30pm
GuyB wrote:
Wow, I didn't know we were doing Senate confirmation hearings this week. ;) The other rider in the mix is Josh Summey. You're seeing a very...
Wow, I didn't know we were doing Senate confirmation hearings this week. Wink

The other rider in the mix is Josh Summey. You're seeing a very limited section of that area. Maybe he got a blue flag before getting to that section.

My guess is that the flag would be out until the course is clear. Leaving it out longer than that doesn't make any sense. If you came by and saw the flag out, roll through a section where no one is on the track, I'm guessing you would be pretty tweaked.

You're obviously passionate about the discussion...I'm just wondering why? Do you have a stake in this one?

4-banger wrote:
No I do not have a stake in it besides not wanting to see anything happen like what happened to Mike last year and IMO putting...
No I do not have a stake in it besides not wanting to see anything happen like what happened to Mike last year and IMO putting a flag out there that is even similar to another flag is going to make the riders have to take their attention off the track and onto what flag does the flagger have which could cause even more problems.
Why be an asshole then?
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6/4/2009 12:35pm
MX479Guy wrote:
Having an additional safety flag is really not that confusing. You're talking about PROFESSIONAL racers that are riding high powered motobikes at a high rate of...
Having an additional safety flag is really not that confusing. You're talking about PROFESSIONAL racers that are riding high powered motobikes at a high rate of speed. Surely they wouldn't get confused so easily.

The new flag is a good idea, and it's already getting the attention it deserves and from here it really should not be an issue.
You said it "racers that are riding high powered motorbikes at a high rate of speed" with their focus on jumps and corners and ruts and other riders and flags and people in the crowd on the track(which we saw) and now you want them to also take their mind off of all that and focus on is that a yellow or a yellow/red flag. They all ready have too much on their minds to ask that of them.

All I have ever said was that the flag was too much like another and to make it something else and to not penalize any rider for an obvious problem. I don't care if it is purlpe, pink or orange, just don't make the riders have something else to worry about on the track.
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6/4/2009 12:39pm
flarider wrote:
I say you fill out your public profile with a legitimate name and contact info, rather than making demands anonymously
My profile has my legal birth name, email and place that I live. What more would you like?
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I dunno about having to much on their minds, they are just concentrating on going forward instead of a new flag that was just introduced. Just like anything it will take a couple races to become normal and then no one will have an issue with it.

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4-Banger,

Everyone is welcome to their opinion, but some opinions, ideas and decisions also come with the responsibility of following through with them. No change ever comes easy (remember two-strokes?) This is a change that must be made to help prevent another serious accident, like Mike Alessi at Red Bud last summer, based on what many of the riders themselves and teams told us would work best in these particular situations.

To your point, I like to think that I always try to do the right thing, and in this case, I believe we have. But I did not penalize Josh Grant; the officials did (and I didn't black-flag J-Law either, though I absolutely agree with the decision to do so, as stated in the rulebook).

The bottom line for me is this: If Josh Grant or Mike Alessi or anyone else had landed on that kid, or those medics, we would be having a much different conversation than what we're having now. I prefer this one.

And I have not received an email from you; my email address is DC@mxsports.com

DC
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4-banger wrote:
No I do not have a stake in it besides not wanting to see anything happen like what happened to Mike last year and IMO putting...
No I do not have a stake in it besides not wanting to see anything happen like what happened to Mike last year and IMO putting a flag out there that is even similar to another flag is going to make the riders have to take their attention off the track and onto what flag does the flagger have which could cause even more problems.
as if there are 40 different caution flags?

unless you didn't already know, there is yellow, yellow/red, and red cross.

that's 3.

please begin to stfu
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6/4/2009 12:58pm
DC did the right thing. He enforced the rule that was on the book at the time of the infraction. He then listened to complaints and decided to discuss the possibility of a revision to said rule. No matter what the outcome of the discussion about the rule/flag color, Grant broke the rule that was on the books and it was properly enforced.
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WOW! I very seldom come out of my hole... but that made me make an appearence. I think that says alot about DC, and his backbone! 4-Banger, I get where your coming from... but your approach was awfully rude. I think DC is a stand up guy to take the time to answer any of our questions in an internet forum, as if he doesnt have enough on his plate already...
of course this is just my opinion, now back into my lurking hole until something else is worthy of crawling back out comes up.........
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TX920 wrote:
WOW! I very seldom come out of my hole... but that made me make an appearence. I think that says alot about DC, and his backbone...



WOW! I very seldom come out of my hole... but that made me make an appearence. I think that says alot about DC, and his backbone! 4-Banger, I get where your coming from... but your approach was awfully rude. I think DC is a stand up guy to take the time to answer any of our questions in an internet forum, as if he doesnt have enough on his plate already...
of course this is just my opinion, now back into my lurking hole until something else is worthy of crawling back out comes up.........
back to your hole noob! Wink See ya Saturday.

Hats off to DC for his response.
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6/4/2009 1:20pm
GuyB wrote:
Well, there's that, too. Wink
4-banger wrote:
He came on here and stated his position and answered a few posters so why shouldn't I be able to ask him my questions. And I...
He came on here and stated his position and answered a few posters so why shouldn't I be able to ask him my questions.

And I have emailed both RacerX and MXSports.
I think it was the way you asked. As if he is under some obligation to answer any random question posted on the Internet... You said...
I think it was the way you asked. As if he is under some obligation to answer any random question posted on the Internet...
You said you think he doesn't have the "backbone" to make a change.
Would you say that to him in person?
With posts like this, before you know it the Interweb is going to get a bad reputation.
Yes I would say that to him in person and probably will the next race that I am at if I see him.

I don't believe that my questions were demanding, I was asking these in the thread that he started and I never received an answer back.

The reason for the no backbone comment is it is clear to anyone who watches the clip that the lapper's wheels come off the ground and I can't find anywhere where he got penalized. If rules are rules then shouldn't he have also been penalized and I believe that DC doesn't want to answer because than more questions are raised.
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Dumbgeon time yet?
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4-banger wrote:
He came on here and stated his position and answered a few posters so why shouldn't I be able to ask him my questions. And I...
He came on here and stated his position and answered a few posters so why shouldn't I be able to ask him my questions.

And I have emailed both RacerX and MXSports.
I think it was the way you asked. As if he is under some obligation to answer any random question posted on the Internet... You said...
I think it was the way you asked. As if he is under some obligation to answer any random question posted on the Internet...
You said you think he doesn't have the "backbone" to make a change.
Would you say that to him in person?
With posts like this, before you know it the Interweb is going to get a bad reputation.
4-banger wrote:
Yes I would say that to him in person and probably will the next race that I am at if I see him. I don't believe...
Yes I would say that to him in person and probably will the next race that I am at if I see him.

I don't believe that my questions were demanding, I was asking these in the thread that he started and I never received an answer back.

The reason for the no backbone comment is it is clear to anyone who watches the clip that the lapper's wheels come off the ground and I can't find anywhere where he got penalized. If rules are rules then shouldn't he have also been penalized and I believe that DC doesn't want to answer because than more questions are raised.
maybe you cant find info on the lapper being penalized because you dont know what his name is..
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4-banger wrote:
Yes I would say that to him in person and probably will the next race that I am at if I see him. I don't believe...
Yes I would say that to him in person and probably will the next race that I am at if I see him.

I don't believe that my questions were demanding, I was asking these in the thread that he started and I never received an answer back.

The reason for the no backbone comment is it is clear to anyone who watches the clip that the lapper's wheels come off the ground and I can't find anywhere where he got penalized. If rules are rules then shouldn't he have also been penalized and I believe that DC doesn't want to answer because than more questions are raised.
Go home before you ruin it for the rest of us. You are the reason DC (and the likes) don't come around too often.
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rucka356 wrote:
I think the easiest thing would be to make it just like the amateurs: Yellow flag means no jumping.
I like this idea the most. I have always wondered why it isn't that way now.
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4-banger wrote:
He came on here and stated his position and answered a few posters so why shouldn't I be able to ask him my questions. And I...
He came on here and stated his position and answered a few posters so why shouldn't I be able to ask him my questions.

And I have emailed both RacerX and MXSports.
I think it was the way you asked. As if he is under some obligation to answer any random question posted on the Internet... You said...
I think it was the way you asked. As if he is under some obligation to answer any random question posted on the Internet...
You said you think he doesn't have the "backbone" to make a change.
Would you say that to him in person?
With posts like this, before you know it the Interweb is going to get a bad reputation.
4-banger wrote:
Yes I would say that to him in person and probably will the next race that I am at if I see him. I don't believe...
Yes I would say that to him in person and probably will the next race that I am at if I see him.

I don't believe that my questions were demanding, I was asking these in the thread that he started and I never received an answer back.

The reason for the no backbone comment is it is clear to anyone who watches the clip that the lapper's wheels come off the ground and I can't find anywhere where he got penalized. If rules are rules then shouldn't he have also been penalized and I believe that DC doesn't want to answer because than more questions are raised.
what do you want? Negative points?

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The reason for the no backbone comment is it is clear to anyone who watches the clip that the lapper's wheels come off the ground and I can't find anywhere where he got penalized. If rules are rules then shouldn't he have also been penalized and I believe that DC doesn't want to answer because than more questions are raised.

It is people like you, that make people like DC want to stay away from places like this.
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DC wrote:
4-Banger, Everyone is welcome to their opinion, but some opinions, ideas and decisions also come with the responsibility of following through with them. No change ever...
4-Banger,

Everyone is welcome to their opinion, but some opinions, ideas and decisions also come with the responsibility of following through with them. No change ever comes easy (remember two-strokes?) This is a change that must be made to help prevent another serious accident, like Mike Alessi at Red Bud last summer, based on what many of the riders themselves and teams told us would work best in these particular situations.

To your point, I like to think that I always try to do the right thing, and in this case, I believe we have. But I did not penalize Josh Grant; the officials did (and I didn't black-flag J-Law either, though I absolutely agree with the decision to do so, as stated in the rulebook).

The bottom line for me is this: If Josh Grant or Mike Alessi or anyone else had landed on that kid, or those medics, we would be having a much different conversation than what we're having now. I prefer this one.

And I have not received an email from you; my email address is DC@mxsports.com

DC
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I may not agree with you on everything (Saturday races? Sacrilege I say!) but I feel moto is in a better place now than it was in previous years. One thing that can be said is that you have the best interest of the sport at heart.
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6/4/2009 1:42pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 12:15am
This thread is another example of the down-side of industry types posting on the message boards.

If DC would never have posted on the board this 4-banger feller wouldn't feel like he can make a grand standing thread like this one to DC and he'd of likely never joined the board to begin with and if he did his thread complaining about it would have been 6 posts long (his original posts, and then 4 posts there after telling him to "STFU NOOB" and then one more post from him telling everyone we're jerks and he's leaving the board).

DC can do what he wants, and I"m loving the changes to the series this year and think he's doing a great job, so this isn't a personal attack on him or any of his companies, but in my opinion the industry would be better off if the public figures-like DC-left the message boards to the fans.

IF DC feels he needs to make a statement on the matter, just post it on the racerxonline.com and leave it at that. No need to post it here and give the annonymous, out of touch, irrelevant, and credibleless (is that a word? I don't think it is...oh well, I just used it) morons like 4-banger, a chance to publicly expect their questions to be answered.

Everyone knows where I stand on this...so I'll leave it at that.
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6/4/2009 1:45pm Edited Date/Time 6/4/2009 1:46pm
Jabjr222 wrote:
4-banger, I understand your desire for DC to answer your question, but demanding it in a public forum sounds a little like grand standing. Kind of...
4-banger,

I understand your desire for DC to answer your question, but demanding it in a public forum sounds a little like grand standing. Kind of like you are showing off. Just me.

If you really cared, just email DC. Im sure his email is easy to find. It's a small world. Plus, you wouldn't have every here giving you shit and taking away from your points.
GuyB wrote:
Well, there's that, too. Wink
4-banger wrote:
He came on here and stated his position and answered a few posters so why shouldn't I be able to ask him my questions. And I...
He came on here and stated his position and answered a few posters so why shouldn't I be able to ask him my questions.

And I have emailed both RacerX and MXSports.
eh.. a little late on my reply.

I personally wouldn't have given you the time of day.
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6/4/2009 1:48pm Edited Date/Time 6/4/2009 2:14pm
4-Banger, I don't read every thread on here. So sorry I didn't see your posts. I didn't penalize the lapped rider because I don't penalize anyone -- race officials do that.

Changes must and will be made to advance the general safety of our athletes, and while you may not agree with the ideas or the application, most feel this is a step in the right direction.

This is the last thing I will say on this point as it's in the race officials' and AMA Pro Racing's hands: I was as bummed out as anyone when I heard Josh had been penalized, but nothing can match how I felt at Red Bud last year seeing Mike Alessi on the table in the Asterisk rig. Deciding to step up and help make a change may not be the backbone you're looking for, but it's the one I've got.

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DC wrote:
4-Banger, I don't read every thread on here. So sorry I didn't see your posts. I didn't penalize the lapped rider because I don't penalize anyone...
4-Banger, I don't read every thread on here. So sorry I didn't see your posts. I didn't penalize the lapped rider because I don't penalize anyone -- race officials do that.

Changes must and will be made to advance the general safety of our athletes, and while you may not agree with the ideas or the application, most feel this is a step in the right direction.

This is the last thing I will say on this point as it's in the race officials' and AMA Pro Racing's hands: I was as bummed out as anyone when I heard Josh had been penalized, but nothing can match how I felt at Red Bud last year seeing Mike Alessi on the table in the Asterisk rig. Deciding to step up and help make a change may not be the backbone you're looking for, but it's the one I've got.

DC
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yea...what he said
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Re-reading... what are you going to penalize the lapper with? He already got ZERO points. I get what your after, but geezum.

IMO, your questions were on the stupid side and didn't deserve to be answered. What topped it off, was the disrespect that you threw out after your questions.


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What's all this talk about fags and MX?

Sheesh...they remove the don't ask don't tell policy, and they're coming out of the woodwork. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
6/4/2009 2:12pm
4-banger wrote:
Since I got no response to my questions in the other post I will put them in a new one and maybe we can get some...
Since I got no response to my questions in the other post I will put them in a new one and maybe we can get some answers. DC if you are going to come on and post things and answer questions than please answer them all.

A couple of things I noticed from watching the clip and reading all of DC comments in all the threads.

1. 2 different flags could be very confusing. I understand DC's explanation that only certain officials are given the authority to throw the yellow/red flag but all the flaggers should have it available that once it is thrown then they all have the same flag.

2. Where was the blue flag telling that lapper that the leaders were coming?

3. Did the lapper get penalized because his wheels came off the ground and he jumped half way down the jump?

4. DC states that they are gathering opinions and discussing with people that there may be a change with the color from yellow to white. BINGO there is a problem or why make that statement. So how do you penalize any of the riders? All of them should get their points and spots reinstated. You are saying it yourself DC.

5. When the yellow/red flag is thrown for a certain part of the track and the riders can't jump and need to slow down, how long does that flag stay up for that section? If something happens in front of the leaders and they get the yellow/red flag will that section stay that way until all the riders have passed it otherwise wouldn't a rider 15 or 20 seconds back get an advantage as they may have clear sailing through it.

I personally don't think that you have the backbone to do the right thing and change the flag to what it should have been in the first place because then you would have to admit a problem and revoke all of the penalties that you have handed out.

Let's see how much you really care about the riders and making it as safe as possible for them.
TEEFUS is that you!!!
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I hear one thing that's in the works for next week is that all riders will see the yellow/red flags displayed on the first lap of practice, and during their parade laps, so they'll know where they are.
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6/4/2009 2:48pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 12:15am
Mr 4Banger







Mr GSXr down below get an mx pic on your little deelio there would ya ?
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GuyB wrote:
I hear one thing that's in the works for next week is that all riders will see the yellow/red flags displayed on the first lap of...
I hear one thing that's in the works for next week is that all riders will see the yellow/red flags displayed on the first lap of practice, and during their parade laps, so they'll know where they are.
That seems like a good idea.
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6/4/2009 3:12pm
Thank you DC for coming here and stand up for what you believe is right.

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I feel like DC has any "core" motocrosser's back.

AND no further reply is necessary on this topic.

thanks DC !

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You know, as much as I think it's stupid for industy people to come here...they must enjoy having their asses kissed (ala the two posts above mine)...

Jusayin'...

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