DC, do the right thing

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Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 4:17am
Since I got no response to my questions in the other post I will put them in a new one and maybe we can get some answers. DC if you are going to come on and post things and answer questions than please answer them all.

A couple of things I noticed from watching the clip and reading all of DC comments in all the threads.

1. 2 different flags could be very confusing. I understand DC's explanation that only certain officials are given the authority to throw the yellow/red flag but all the flaggers should have it available that once it is thrown then they all have the same flag.

2. Where was the blue flag telling that lapper that the leaders were coming?

3. Did the lapper get penalized because his wheels came off the ground and he jumped half way down the jump?

4. DC states that they are gathering opinions and discussing with people that there may be a change with the color from yellow to white. BINGO there is a problem or why make that statement. So how do you penalize any of the riders? All of them should get their points and spots reinstated. You are saying it yourself DC.

5. When the yellow/red flag is thrown for a certain part of the track and the riders can't jump and need to slow down, how long does that flag stay up for that section? If something happens in front of the leaders and they get the yellow/red flag will that section stay that way until all the riders have passed it otherwise wouldn't a rider 15 or 20 seconds back get an advantage as they may have clear sailing through it.

I personally don't think that you have the backbone to do the right thing and change the flag to what it should have been in the first place because then you would have to admit a problem and revoke all of the penalties that you have handed out.

Let's see how much you really care about the riders and making it as safe as possible for them.
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4-banger wrote:
Since I got no response to my questions in the other post I will put them in a new one and maybe we can get some...
Since I got no response to my questions in the other post I will put them in a new one and maybe we can get some answers. DC if you are going to come on and post things and answer questions than please answer them all.

A couple of things I noticed from watching the clip and reading all of DC comments in all the threads.

1. 2 different flags could be very confusing. I understand DC's explanation that only certain officials are given the authority to throw the yellow/red flag but all the flaggers should have it available that once it is thrown then they all have the same flag.

2. Where was the blue flag telling that lapper that the leaders were coming?

3. Did the lapper get penalized because his wheels came off the ground and he jumped half way down the jump?

4. DC states that they are gathering opinions and discussing with people that there may be a change with the color from yellow to white. BINGO there is a problem or why make that statement. So how do you penalize any of the riders? All of them should get their points and spots reinstated. You are saying it yourself DC.

5. When the yellow/red flag is thrown for a certain part of the track and the riders can't jump and need to slow down, how long does that flag stay up for that section? If something happens in front of the leaders and they get the yellow/red flag will that section stay that way until all the riders have passed it otherwise wouldn't a rider 15 or 20 seconds back get an advantage as they may have clear sailing through it.

I personally don't think that you have the backbone to do the right thing and change the flag to what it should have been in the first place because then you would have to admit a problem and revoke all of the penalties that you have handed out.

Let's see how much you really care about the riders and making it as safe as possible for them.
16 post and you're making demands??? Oh boy......


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Wow, I didn't know we were doing Senate confirmation hearings this week. Wink

The other rider in the mix is Josh Summey. You're seeing a very limited section of that area. Maybe he got a blue flag before getting to that section.

My guess is that the flag would be out until the course is clear. Leaving it out longer than that doesn't make any sense. If you came by and saw the flag out, roll through a section where no one is on the track, I'm guessing you would be pretty tweaked.

You're obviously passionate about the discussion...I'm just wondering why? Do you have a stake in this one?

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6/4/2009 10:57am
I think the easiest thing would be to make it just like the amateurs: Yellow flag means no jumping.
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6/4/2009 11:02am
Having an additional safety flag is really not that confusing. You're talking about PROFESSIONAL racers that are riding high powered motobikes at a high rate of speed. Surely they wouldn't get confused so easily.

The new flag is a good idea, and it's already getting the attention it deserves and from here it really should not be an issue.

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4-banger,

I understand your desire for DC to answer your question, but demanding it in a public forum sounds a little like grand standing. Kind of like you are showing off. Just me.

If you really cared, just email DC. Im sure his email is easy to find. It's a small world. Plus, you wouldn't have every here giving you shit and taking away from your points.
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6/4/2009 11:10am
Jabjr222 wrote:
4-banger, I understand your desire for DC to answer your question, but demanding it in a public forum sounds a little like grand standing. Kind of...
4-banger,

I understand your desire for DC to answer your question, but demanding it in a public forum sounds a little like grand standing. Kind of like you are showing off. Just me.

If you really cared, just email DC. Im sure his email is easy to find. It's a small world. Plus, you wouldn't have every here giving you shit and taking away from your points.
Well, there's that, too. Wink
6/4/2009 11:10am
So, if they didn't enforce the penalty Motodrivelers would complain they don't enforce the rules; however, when the rules are enforced now they need to overturn the penalties? Common sense isn't so common anymore.
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6/4/2009 11:11am
after watching the replays, i think he made a fair judgement. sticking to his decision is going to make riders more alert for flags on the track and make it also safer for the riders. i do agree though, that a new flag color would help.
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6/4/2009 11:20am
GuyB wrote:
Well, there's that, too. Wink
Kind of the pot / kettle black thing... aren't we all grand standing by posting in a public forum?

I loved seeing the Vital banners on the track during the Hangtown replay!
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6/4/2009 11:22am
So, if they didn't enforce the penalty Motodrivelers would complain they don't enforce the rules; however, when the rules are enforced now they need to overturn...
So, if they didn't enforce the penalty Motodrivelers would complain they don't enforce the rules; however, when the rules are enforced now they need to overturn the penalties? Common sense isn't so common anymore.
I can understand both points of view. 4-Banger has some good points but you have to go by the rules that are already established.
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6/4/2009 11:28am
Dude this forum is supposed to be fun................not a place where you can just throw that kinda stuff out, demand a responce, then if it dosant go your way you say the man has no back bone.

A little respect goes a long ways

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6/4/2009 11:33am
4-banger wrote:
Since I got no response to my questions in the other post I will put them in a new one and maybe we can get some...
Since I got no response to my questions in the other post I will put them in a new one and maybe we can get some answers. DC if you are going to come on and post things and answer questions than please answer them all.

A couple of things I noticed from watching the clip and reading all of DC comments in all the threads.

1. 2 different flags could be very confusing. I understand DC's explanation that only certain officials are given the authority to throw the yellow/red flag but all the flaggers should have it available that once it is thrown then they all have the same flag.

2. Where was the blue flag telling that lapper that the leaders were coming?

3. Did the lapper get penalized because his wheels came off the ground and he jumped half way down the jump?

4. DC states that they are gathering opinions and discussing with people that there may be a change with the color from yellow to white. BINGO there is a problem or why make that statement. So how do you penalize any of the riders? All of them should get their points and spots reinstated. You are saying it yourself DC.

5. When the yellow/red flag is thrown for a certain part of the track and the riders can't jump and need to slow down, how long does that flag stay up for that section? If something happens in front of the leaders and they get the yellow/red flag will that section stay that way until all the riders have passed it otherwise wouldn't a rider 15 or 20 seconds back get an advantage as they may have clear sailing through it.

I personally don't think that you have the backbone to do the right thing and change the flag to what it should have been in the first place because then you would have to admit a problem and revoke all of the penalties that you have handed out.

Let's see how much you really care about the riders and making it as safe as possible for them.
"Let's see how much you really care about the riders and making it as safe as possible for them" you actually just said that to DC?

With all due respect (which in this case is zero) STFU.
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6/4/2009 11:40am Edited Date/Time 6/4/2009 11:42am
I say you fill out your public profile with a legitimate name and contact info, rather than making demands anonymously
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6/4/2009 11:42am
that OR he's simply pissed that Mike A is now the points leader!
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6/4/2009 11:44am
4-banger said "I personally don't think that you have the backbone to do the right thing..." wow, that's quite a statement of disrespect. Surely he cannot actually be expecting a response...
6/4/2009 11:45am
4-banger wrote:
Since I got no response to my questions in the other post I will put them in a new one and maybe we can get some...
Since I got no response to my questions in the other post I will put them in a new one and maybe we can get some answers. DC if you are going to come on and post things and answer questions than please answer them all.

A couple of things I noticed from watching the clip and reading all of DC comments in all the threads.

1. 2 different flags could be very confusing. I understand DC's explanation that only certain officials are given the authority to throw the yellow/red flag but all the flaggers should have it available that once it is thrown then they all have the same flag.

2. Where was the blue flag telling that lapper that the leaders were coming?

3. Did the lapper get penalized because his wheels came off the ground and he jumped half way down the jump?

4. DC states that they are gathering opinions and discussing with people that there may be a change with the color from yellow to white. BINGO there is a problem or why make that statement. So how do you penalize any of the riders? All of them should get their points and spots reinstated. You are saying it yourself DC.

5. When the yellow/red flag is thrown for a certain part of the track and the riders can't jump and need to slow down, how long does that flag stay up for that section? If something happens in front of the leaders and they get the yellow/red flag will that section stay that way until all the riders have passed it otherwise wouldn't a rider 15 or 20 seconds back get an advantage as they may have clear sailing through it.

I personally don't think that you have the backbone to do the right thing and change the flag to what it should have been in the first place because then you would have to admit a problem and revoke all of the penalties that you have handed out.

Let's see how much you really care about the riders and making it as safe as possible for them.
“drop of honey catches more flies than a gallon of gall.”

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6/4/2009 11:46am
The rules stipulate the current flag color. They broke the rules...no need to discuss giving back any points or places.

I personally dont think they need to change the flags colors but If...... they change the color....they will announce it at the riders meeting that all riders must attend.

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6/4/2009 11:48am
They will do the absolute right thing if the penalty stands. IMO, they don't even need to change the flag. It is distinct from the regular yellow; the riders can pick it up. The penalties will get their attention. Nothing will get them to focus more on complying than the real prospect of being penalized. I recognize opinions are all over the map on this, as they are bound to be in any event, but waffling would be the worst thing to do.
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6/4/2009 11:48am
One thing I'll bet is a dead cinch lock from now on.

Everybody will be paying a LOT more attention to the flags the rest of the way, no matter WHAT shape, size or color.

That, by itself, is a step forward.
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6/4/2009 11:49am Edited Date/Time 6/4/2009 11:50am
One thing I'll bet is a dead cinch lock from now on. Everybody will be paying a LOT more attention to the flags the rest of...
One thing I'll bet is a dead cinch lock from now on.

Everybody will be paying a LOT more attention to the flags the rest of the way, no matter WHAT shape, size or color.

That, by itself, is a step forward.
Amen to that, especially for safety rules.
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One thing I'll bet is a dead cinch lock from now on. Everybody will be paying a LOT more attention to the flags the rest of...
One thing I'll bet is a dead cinch lock from now on.

Everybody will be paying a LOT more attention to the flags the rest of the way, no matter WHAT shape, size or color.

That, by itself, is a step forward.
Amen.
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unless the rules are STRICTLY enforced, MX racing will be a joke.
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6/4/2009 12:06pm
Jabjr222 wrote:
4-banger, I understand your desire for DC to answer your question, but demanding it in a public forum sounds a little like grand standing. Kind of...
4-banger,

I understand your desire for DC to answer your question, but demanding it in a public forum sounds a little like grand standing. Kind of like you are showing off. Just me.

If you really cared, just email DC. Im sure his email is easy to find. It's a small world. Plus, you wouldn't have every here giving you shit and taking away from your points.
GuyB wrote:
Well, there's that, too. Wink
He came on here and stated his position and answered a few posters so why shouldn't I be able to ask him my questions.

And I have emailed both RacerX and MXSports.
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6/4/2009 12:12pm
4-banger wrote:
He came on here and stated his position and answered a few posters so why shouldn't I be able to ask him my questions. And I...
He came on here and stated his position and answered a few posters so why shouldn't I be able to ask him my questions.

And I have emailed both RacerX and MXSports.
If your emails to Racer X and MX Sports resemble your demands here, it's easy to see why there has been no reply.

In addition by telling someone you probably know very little to nothing about personally, they don't have the backbone doesn't fit into a realistic question and answer session.

DC did give his veiw, and answered a few questions. Good for him. You come here with nothing but demands. No to tough to figure out why the information flow back in your direction is non existant.
6/4/2009 12:17pm
Jabjr222 wrote:
4-banger, I understand your desire for DC to answer your question, but demanding it in a public forum sounds a little like grand standing. Kind of...
4-banger,

I understand your desire for DC to answer your question, but demanding it in a public forum sounds a little like grand standing. Kind of like you are showing off. Just me.

If you really cared, just email DC. Im sure his email is easy to find. It's a small world. Plus, you wouldn't have every here giving you shit and taking away from your points.
GuyB wrote:
Well, there's that, too. Wink
4-banger wrote:
He came on here and stated his position and answered a few posters so why shouldn't I be able to ask him my questions. And I...
He came on here and stated his position and answered a few posters so why shouldn't I be able to ask him my questions.

And I have emailed both RacerX and MXSports.
I think it was the way you asked. As if he is under some obligation to answer any random question posted on the Internet...
You said you think he doesn't have the "backbone" to make a change.
Would you say that to him in person?
With posts like this, before you know it the Interweb is going to get a bad reputation.
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6/4/2009 12:19pm
Jabjr222 wrote:
4-banger, I understand your desire for DC to answer your question, but demanding it in a public forum sounds a little like grand standing. Kind of...
4-banger,

I understand your desire for DC to answer your question, but demanding it in a public forum sounds a little like grand standing. Kind of like you are showing off. Just me.

If you really cared, just email DC. Im sure his email is easy to find. It's a small world. Plus, you wouldn't have every here giving you shit and taking away from your points.
GuyB wrote:
Well, there's that, too. Wink
4-banger wrote:
He came on here and stated his position and answered a few posters so why shouldn't I be able to ask him my questions. And I...
He came on here and stated his position and answered a few posters so why shouldn't I be able to ask him my questions.

And I have emailed both RacerX and MXSports.
If your emails made you look as much as an ahole as your posts, no wonder DC doesn't respond to you.
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6/4/2009 12:22pm
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16 post and you're making demands??? Oh boy......


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First of all where did I demand anything. I even asked him to please answer all the questions.
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6/4/2009 12:26pm
GuyB wrote:
Wow, I didn't know we were doing Senate confirmation hearings this week. ;) The other rider in the mix is Josh Summey. You're seeing a very...
Wow, I didn't know we were doing Senate confirmation hearings this week. Wink

The other rider in the mix is Josh Summey. You're seeing a very limited section of that area. Maybe he got a blue flag before getting to that section.

My guess is that the flag would be out until the course is clear. Leaving it out longer than that doesn't make any sense. If you came by and saw the flag out, roll through a section where no one is on the track, I'm guessing you would be pretty tweaked.

You're obviously passionate about the discussion...I'm just wondering why? Do you have a stake in this one?

No I do not have a stake in it besides not wanting to see anything happen like what happened to Mike last year and IMO putting a flag out there that is even similar to another flag is going to make the riders have to take their attention off the track and onto what flag does the flagger have which could cause even more problems.
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16 post and you're making demands??? Oh boy......


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4-banger wrote:
First of all where did I demand anything. I even asked him to please answer all the questions.
"DC, do the right thing"

that is a demand.

glad i could help Smile
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6/4/2009 12:29pm
4-banger wrote:
First of all where did I demand anything. I even asked him to please answer all the questions.
DC if you are going to come on and post things and answer questions than please answer them all.

Yes, you said please after telling him what to do.

Did the lapper get penalized because his wheels came off the ground and he jumped half way down the jump?

Cocky prick is what I see here.

4. DC states that they are gathering opinions and discussing with people that there may be a change with the color from yellow to white. BINGO there is a problem or why make that statement. So how do you penalize any of the riders? All of them should get their points and spots reinstated. You are saying it yourself DC.

Asking nothing here, just telling DC he's an idiot.

I personally don't think that you have the backbone to do the right thing

Nice closing jackoff.

Let's see how much you really care about the riders and making it as safe as possible for them.

All the discussions about flagging is proof of his energy toward making it safer. Some are choosing not to recognize that or that some fine tuning "may" be needed.



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