Front end going high sometimes over jumps help!

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New to ridding the track and haven’t riddin a dirt bike in 20 years. Been to the track about 4 times. The first few no problems over the jumps as I was just landing in the middle of the tables as I wasn’t going to fast. Went out a couple days ago, but went one click in on the rear rebound to 7 clicks. I have a 2020 crf250RX. Pretty well set exactly like the book says for the R model as I found it a bit to soft and bouncy in stock form.
Going back to the rear rebound I was at 8 clicks previously and now I went to 7 I noticed the front wanting to go high on a few of the jumps and not all the time. I’m either attributing it to the fact I’m ridding much harder and faster there for getting pulled back to far at times causing it to nose up. On the same jumps it would sometimes fly level other times nose high and nose down at times. Now these were all jumps out of corners. The couple that I had a nice run up to them I was flying nice and perfect and landing on the down ramps. Would it be the one click different in rear rebound ? Should I go back to 8? Or is it more of a body position / throttle thing. Being I have really no experience. Thoughts?
Thanks. I do have a couple vids showing if I can try to get them On here I will. See what you all think. Thanks for the help. Linked one of the vids. The first table is right out of a corrner. I’m a bit nose high the second table I’m more setup and I landed perfectly every time.
Thanks !

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Paw Paw 7/12/2020 1:35pm
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Most likely a body position issue.

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zeromarine 7/12/2020 1:40pm
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Paw Paw wrote:
Most likely a body position issue.

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Ya that’s what I’m thinking. Should I go back to 7 clicks like I had in the video and get better body position. Or leave it at 8? Thanks !
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Michael_Winter 7/12/2020 1:47pm
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Stock rear spring? How heavy are you?? You could have to soft of a shock, possibly. Or way to stiff on the front.. if you’re over 200lbs + id bet some of it has to do with the rest spring being to soft.
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loftyair 7/12/2020 2:07pm
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Also, we all ride different. Villo off the back, James over the front. They would not agree on suspension setting, even being similar speed and size. You got to do what you like, and are comfy with. Go a few clicks one way, then go the other way, to see how the changes do. Then you can start fine tuning for 'you'. As time goes on, you will probably keep changing things. Speed, riding technique, suspenders changing with oil and other factors.

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zeromarine 7/12/2020 2:11pm
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I’m 173 so I’m right in the perfect range for the bike, sag is set properly also. Like i was saying the only changes I did from the time out Before was one click slower on rear rebound. Actually also 2 clicks stiffer front compression and 1 click slower rebound on the front. As it was a I made it pretty well the same setup as the book has for the R model. But ya the time out before I wasn’t having the issue but again I wasn’t pushing nearly as hard.
I think it’s body position etc, as in the vid I was flying perfect on some jumps.
Thanks for the replies ! appreciate it.
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zeromarine 7/12/2020 2:13pm
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Other then that the bike works really good.
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Robbie 7/12/2020 2:13pm
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How tall are you? Perhaps try some lowered footpegs and a higher bar set up. Open up the cockpit to help find that central balance point
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zeromarine 7/12/2020 2:16pm
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I’m about 5,11 173 lb approx
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zeromarine 7/12/2020 2:18pm
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I really only have 5 hours on the track. Other then that I haven’t riddin a track in my life nor have I riddin in 20 years haha I’m 37 just getting back into it.

So you guys think it’s more body position etc then suspension? From how I described it and the video ?

I went back to 8 clicks rear. Should I go back to 7 like I had and work on body position etc ? Or leave it at 8. Thanks again!
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SKIDLID 7/12/2020 2:21pm
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Body position, move up at face to bring the front down some. Maybe back of throttle slightly at the face some?
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Is your real name Brandon?
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Robbie 7/12/2020 2:28pm
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I wouldnt worry about one click here or there, id just set it to stock, get some hours riding in and as your confidence grows so will your technique.
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zeromarine 7/12/2020 2:30pm
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I’ll leave the suspension as is as stock is to soft for the track. And learn better body position etc.

No my name isn’t Brandon sorry.
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theycallmeebryan 7/12/2020 4:20pm
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The suspension on the R model is valved different than the RX model, so you cant just use the R model clicker settings and expect it to feel like the R model.

Rebound has very little effect on how the bike behaves off a jump face. I'd focus more on the compression to get the feel you are looking for. Try to stiffen the low speed compression on the shock a few clicks so that it doesnt compress so much, and see how it feels. The great thing about clickers is its not "set it and forget it". You should devote an entire day at the track to just playing around with clickers and seeing how it feels.
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sf702/410 7/12/2020 4:32pm
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Counterintuitive, but weight forward over the handle bar, when standing. Steady throttle or accelerating, keeping legs extended or even compressing suspension through face and takeoff. Imagine you're pulling th e bike through the jump and leading it to the path you want. Once left jump, let your body lead the bike where you need it. And squeeze the bike with your knees, keeping eyes up and down track instead of right on fender or what's immediately in your path.


If sitting, squeeze that bike hard with knees and carry less momentum and accelerate hard in the face, otherwise it'll want to nose dive
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zeromarine wrote:
New to ridding the track and haven’t riddin a dirt bike in 20 years. Been to the track about 4 times. The first few no problems...
New to ridding the track and haven’t riddin a dirt bike in 20 years. Been to the track about 4 times. The first few no problems over the jumps as I was just landing in the middle of the tables as I wasn’t going to fast. Went out a couple days ago, but went one click in on the rear rebound to 7 clicks. I have a 2020 crf250RX. Pretty well set exactly like the book says for the R model as I found it a bit to soft and bouncy in stock form.
Going back to the rear rebound I was at 8 clicks previously and now I went to 7 I noticed the front wanting to go high on a few of the jumps and not all the time. I’m either attributing it to the fact I’m ridding much harder and faster there for getting pulled back to far at times causing it to nose up. On the same jumps it would sometimes fly level other times nose high and nose down at times. Now these were all jumps out of corners. The couple that I had a nice run up to them I was flying nice and perfect and landing on the down ramps. Would it be the one click different in rear rebound ? Should I go back to 8? Or is it more of a body position / throttle thing. Being I have really no experience. Thoughts?
Thanks. I do have a couple vids showing if I can try to get them On here I will. See what you all think. Thanks for the help. Linked one of the vids. The first table is right out of a corrner. I’m a bit nose high the second table I’m more setup and I landed perfectly every time.
Thanks !

https://photos.app.goo.gl/WUEvLRbZeVD53uCo6
You look like you’re doing fine in the video. Not bad man. Practice, practice, practice will get you where you want!
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aeffertz 7/12/2020 5:03pm
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Don’t throw money at this issue. It’s all technique. Work on the basics of riding and learn how to control the bike as it is before sinking money into finicky things hoping it’ll help.
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zeromarine 7/12/2020 7:49pm
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Thanks all appreciate it.
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zeromarine 7/12/2020 7:56pm
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zeromarine wrote:
New to ridding the track and haven’t riddin a dirt bike in 20 years. Been to the track about 4 times. The first few no problems...
New to ridding the track and haven’t riddin a dirt bike in 20 years. Been to the track about 4 times. The first few no problems over the jumps as I was just landing in the middle of the tables as I wasn’t going to fast. Went out a couple days ago, but went one click in on the rear rebound to 7 clicks. I have a 2020 crf250RX. Pretty well set exactly like the book says for the R model as I found it a bit to soft and bouncy in stock form.
Going back to the rear rebound I was at 8 clicks previously and now I went to 7 I noticed the front wanting to go high on a few of the jumps and not all the time. I’m either attributing it to the fact I’m ridding much harder and faster there for getting pulled back to far at times causing it to nose up. On the same jumps it would sometimes fly level other times nose high and nose down at times. Now these were all jumps out of corners. The couple that I had a nice run up to them I was flying nice and perfect and landing on the down ramps. Would it be the one click different in rear rebound ? Should I go back to 8? Or is it more of a body position / throttle thing. Being I have really no experience. Thoughts?
Thanks. I do have a couple vids showing if I can try to get them On here I will. See what you all think. Thanks for the help. Linked one of the vids. The first table is right out of a corrner. I’m a bit nose high the second table I’m more setup and I landed perfectly every time.
Thanks !

https://photos.app.goo.gl/WUEvLRbZeVD53uCo6
Ken202 wrote:
You look like you’re doing fine in the video. Not bad man. Practice, practice, practice will get you where you want!
You look like you’re doing fine in the video. Not bad man. Practice, practice, practice will get you where you want!
Thanks! Not bad for only 5 hours in the track in my life 😎
brandon_21888 7/12/2020 10:00pm
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From the video it looks like a body position issue. In the air your body looks like it’s moving away from the bike rather than going with the bike. If you only have 5hrs on a track it’s more likely a confidence/comfort thing being in the air. More seat time will help
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js451 7/12/2020 10:29pm
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Doesn’t look like your doing much wrong, maybe a little hesitant is all. Seat time, seat time, maybe a coffee then more seat time
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chasetwo79 7/12/2020 10:53pm
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Work on your throttle control. Smooth and measured makes your bike jump correctly 99 percent of the time. Also, make sure you’re approaching the jump with plenty of speed so you’re not cranking the throttle harder on the actual jump face. If you’re opening the gas at the top of the face you’ll tend to see the front end try and loop out easier.

Most important of all - Seat time. Laps, laps, and laps. Then all of this will be second nature.

Good luck and enjoy the journey!
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zeromarine 7/12/2020 10:56pm
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Thanks everyone. Ya mostly just going to be time on the bike and getting used to it.
It’s a lot of fun so far though!
Michael_Winter 7/12/2020 11:55pm
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After listening to you comment a few times and now knowing your size.. Its body position and throttle control off the face of the jump. Stay centered , build speed early and stay even on throttle control. To much throttle upon take off will lift the front end. Cutting it early will drop the front.. the better you get with throttle control and body position the more you will use these techniques to your benefit. For now stay steady and centered. The more comfortable you get .. you can adjust body and throttle at face of jumps. Hope this helps a little.
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zeromarine 7/13/2020 12:42am
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Michael_Winter wrote:
After listening to you comment a few times and now knowing your size.. Its body position and throttle control off the face of the jump. Stay...
After listening to you comment a few times and now knowing your size.. Its body position and throttle control off the face of the jump. Stay centered , build speed early and stay even on throttle control. To much throttle upon take off will lift the front end. Cutting it early will drop the front.. the better you get with throttle control and body position the more you will use these techniques to your benefit. For now stay steady and centered. The more comfortable you get .. you can adjust body and throttle at face of jumps. Hope this helps a little.
Helps a ton thank you very much !
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FIREfish148 7/13/2020 1:06am
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I used to get OCD about this issue. I think part of it was from seeing dudes on the track endo when I was a little kid and over compensating for not wanting to do that because it looked terrifying. Its just one of those things that comes with seat time really. Generally when you tense up cause you're scared or not really confident in hitting a jump you will tense up and that causes everything to just not go good.
Work on pre loading your bike on the take offs and weight the pegs especially. You want to be in control and not a passenger. Start off on smaller table tops and really try to load and unload your bike according to you. If your shock is loaded up and you're on the gas hanging off the back even a little, and on top of that you're tense because you're scared of it happening, its going to happen.
Watch some Gary Semics videos on jumping technique he explains it pretty well.
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kkawboy14 7/13/2020 3:45am
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Is this for real? Hit it a couple times in several different settings.

The front is usually high if you are hitting the jump harder/more on the throttle because you are trying to jump farther, effectively launching off the jump harder
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Motoxdoc 7/13/2020 9:33am
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Don’t try to get your speed up immediately before takeoff. You need to get your speed up long before the jump then “fine tune” your front end height with your throttle. More throttle, higher front end...less = lower front end. With a smooth take-off, the idea is to chop the throttle slightly to get the front end to drop and match the angle of the landing transition. Off course, if there’s a kicker in the take-off you’re going to need to blip the throttle or else you’ll land on your head! Happy learning...in the beginning that curve is fun!
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zeromarine 7/13/2020 9:42am
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Thanks all
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Mit12 7/16/2020 3:32pm
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Throttle Controll and body position, just a little more throttle with your body a little back and you are front end high a little less throttle and body a little forward and front end down.

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