Nationals Postponed - Again

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7/8/2020 5:08pm
CM_84 wrote:
Wow the amount of "I dont believe what the researchers, medical experts and scientists say, because i know better after a 5 minute search on facebook"...
Wow the amount of "I dont believe what the researchers, medical experts and scientists say, because i know better after a 5 minute search on facebook" is mind blowing Laughing
Yes. I’m loving the new world, where facts can be ignored and we can just choose what’s true.
I just read on YouTube that gravity is a government hoax.
Now I just float around my work shop - when no one is watching
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Until everyone in the usa wears a mask in public and stays 6+ft away from each other at all times there will be no pro racing...
Until everyone in the usa wears a mask in public and stays 6+ft away from each other at all times there will be no pro racing with fans. Something so simple has turned into an impossible feat for the supposedly greatest country on earth. Took the USA 99 days to hit 1 million cases. Took 28 more days to hit 2 million cases. Took 14 more days to hit 3 million cases. See were this is going? Dont be selfish. Do your part and stop acting like it does not exist.
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7/8/2020 5:25pm Edited Date/Time 7/8/2020 5:26pm
Until everyone in the usa wears a mask in public and stays 6+ft away from each other at all times there will be no pro racing...
Until everyone in the usa wears a mask in public and stays 6+ft away from each other at all times there will be no pro racing with fans. Something so simple has turned into an impossible feat for the supposedly greatest country on earth. Took the USA 99 days to hit 1 million cases. Took 28 more days to hit 2 million cases. Took 14 more days to hit 3 million cases. See were this is going? Dont be selfish. Do your part and stop acting like it does not exist.
kpiper wrote:
I fully support that theory except in my place of work. 50hr work week at $10hr take home is not worth dying for. Customers who dont follow the rules are no longer served and told to leave.
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Well shit. Looks like herd immunity might be a pipe dream.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)3148…

I await the experts here to tell me how it will be different in the USA.
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EngIceDave wrote:
More than 40 hospitals in Florida now have full ICUs, no empty beds.
Many others are close to capacity
JeepnMike wrote:
I have not been reading news much. I did check CNN on this one, and holy heck do they paint a grim picture. Checked another independent...
I have not been reading news much. I did check CNN on this one, and holy heck do they paint a grim picture. Checked another independent news source, and got a bit more of the picture on this one. Another thing worth noting, I keep reading about overwhelmed hospitals, but have not seen a single photo proving it. Anyway, more info on what is going on in FL. I realize you live there so you know 100x more than I do, but it is amazing how much the story changes from one news source to another:

(source: https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/)
“Reports that somehow we are running out of hospital beds are incorrect, grossly exaggerated,” Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez said during a roundtable discussion with DeSantis and hospital executives on Friday. “This is concerning, that the positive rate may be going up. That's why we're going to be cracking down on enforcement, but it's not alarming.”

DeSantis called the executives together to talk about hospital capacity in South Florida and across the state.

“We have twice as much capacity in the hospitals throughout the state of Florida today, than before the pandemic began,” DeSantis said.

The confusion occurred because the state’s dashboard does not provide the whole picture, officials said.
I'm down in Miami tending to my dad for a bit.

I don't know what Jimenez thing is or the thinking, but, then why did Miami-Dade county just close a bunch of stuff back down, like eating in at restaurants?

Everyone is in a mask. Stores require masks to enter, and that is demanded by the county.

You can't visit anyone in a hospital (I can't visit my Dad)



Here's this....directly from the Mayor


Statement from Miami-Dade County Mayor Carlos A. Gimenez on additional closures related to COVID-19 surge
MIAMI ( July 06, 2020 ) — I am continuing to roll back business openings as we continue to see a spike in the percent of positive COVID-19 tests and an uptick in hospitalizations.
I am signing an emergency order that will close restaurants (except for takeout and delivery services), along with ballrooms, banquet facilities, party venues, gyms and fitness centers, and short-term rentals. These closings, among others that will be included in the order, will be effective Wednesday, July 8, 2020. We want to ensure that our hospitals continue to have the staffing necessary to save lives.

At this time, I plan to keep open various outdoor activities, including condominium and hotel pools with strict social distancing and masks rules, as well as summer camps and child daycare centers with strict capacity limits, requiring masks and social distancing of at least 6 feet.

Beaches will be open on Tuesday, July 7, 2020, but, if we see crowding and people not following the public health rules, I will be forced to close the beaches again.

Office buildings, retail stores and grooming services will remain open for now.

The 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. Countywide curfew will remain in force with exceptions for essential workers and for people who have a religious obligation.

We are still tracking the spike in the number of cases involving 18- to 34-year-olds that began in mid-June, which the County’s medical experts say was caused by a number of factors, including young people going to congested places — indoors and outside — without taking precautions such as wearing masks and practicing social distancing. Contributing to the positives in that age group, the doctors have told me, were graduation parties, gatherings at restaurants that turned into packed parties in violation of the rules and street protests where people could not maintain social distancing and where not everyone was wearing facial coverings.

We can tamp down the spread if everyone follows the rules, wears masks and stays at least six feet apart from others. I am counting on you, our 2.8 million residents, to stop the spread so that we can get back to opening our economy.

Do your part. Report violations by calling 305-4-POLICE.

And if you don’t have to go out, remember, you are safer at home.
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I can't believe the amount of anti-nationals cheerleading in here, just like with Supercross. Don't seem like moto heads, more like a bunch of hags.
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7/8/2020 7:35pm
Who's anti-National?

I must've missed that
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7/8/2020 7:36pm
Until everyone in the usa wears a mask in public and stays 6+ft away from each other at all times there will be no pro racing...
Until everyone in the usa wears a mask in public and stays 6+ft away from each other at all times there will be no pro racing with fans. Something so simple has turned into an impossible feat for the supposedly greatest country on earth. Took the USA 99 days to hit 1 million cases. Took 28 more days to hit 2 million cases. Took 14 more days to hit 3 million cases. See were this is going? Dont be selfish. Do your part and stop acting like it does not exist.
Wow, rge amount of "just do what the news tells you to do" is mind blowing!Laughing
CM_84 wrote:
Wow the amount of "I dont believe what the researchers, medical experts and scientists say, because i know better after a 5 minute search on facebook"...
Wow the amount of "I dont believe what the researchers, medical experts and scientists say, because i know better after a 5 minute search on facebook" is mind blowing Laughing
Hitler banked on this as well.
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7/8/2020 7:46pm Edited Date/Time 7/8/2020 7:51pm
Wow, rge amount of "just do what the news tells you to do" is mind blowing!Laughing
CM_84 wrote:
Wow the amount of "I dont believe what the researchers, medical experts and scientists say, because i know better after a 5 minute search on facebook"...
Wow the amount of "I dont believe what the researchers, medical experts and scientists say, because i know better after a 5 minute search on facebook" is mind blowing Laughing
Hitler banked on this as well.
What similarities does today's issues have with what Hitler did? Dont be dramatic, the modern day western world is nothing like Germany in the late 30s - early 40s

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He invoked fear, segregation and the motto to not worry, the government will take care of you and steer you in the right direction. Just a play from the deep state.
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7/8/2020 7:56pm
EngIceDave wrote:
Who's anti-National?

I must've missed that
The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA wasn't founded with fear and pessimism, and neither was motocross racing. Instead of looking for reasons not to race, look for solutions.
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EngIceDave wrote:
Who's anti-National?

I must've missed that
oldblood wrote:
The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA wasn't founded with fear and pessimism, and neither was motocross racing. Instead of looking for reasons not to race, look for...
The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA wasn't founded with fear and pessimism, and neither was motocross racing. Instead of looking for reasons not to race, look for solutions.
Yeah!! Fuck trying to protect people from a deadly virus....that's a losers attitude.
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EngIceDave wrote:
Who's anti-National?

I must've missed that
oldblood wrote:
The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA wasn't founded with fear and pessimism, and neither was motocross racing. Instead of looking for reasons not to race, look for...
The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA wasn't founded with fear and pessimism, and neither was motocross racing. Instead of looking for reasons not to race, look for solutions.
Who said that?

Did I say that? I said to not race?
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He invoked fear, segregation and the motto to not worry, the government will take care of you and steer you in the right direction. Just a...
He invoked fear, segregation and the motto to not worry, the government will take care of you and steer you in the right direction. Just a play from the deep state.
yeah, except the fear was directed at particular races of people, who were rounded up and exterminated.
That is the same as using medical and scientific evidence as to how best approach a viral pandemic..... yeah pretty much the same thing Laughing
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7/8/2020 8:05pm
EngIceDave wrote:
Who's anti-National?

I must've missed that
oldblood wrote:
The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA wasn't founded with fear and pessimism, and neither was motocross racing. Instead of looking for reasons not to race, look for...
The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA wasn't founded with fear and pessimism, and neither was motocross racing. Instead of looking for reasons not to race, look for solutions.
CM_84 wrote:
Yeah!! Fuck trying to protect people from a deadly virus....that's a losers attitude.
Is that what you truly think? I feel sorry for you.
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I hope the Nationals hurry up and get here! Smile
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He invoked fear, segregation and the motto to not worry, the government will take care of you and steer you in the right direction. Just a...
He invoked fear, segregation and the motto to not worry, the government will take care of you and steer you in the right direction. Just a play from the deep state.
CM_84 wrote:
yeah, except the fear was directed at particular races of people, who were rounded up and exterminated. That is the same as using medical and scientific...
yeah, except the fear was directed at particular races of people, who were rounded up and exterminated.
That is the same as using medical and scientific evidence as to how best approach a viral pandemic..... yeah pretty much the same thing Laughing
You really do not know your history do you? Go back to school.
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oldblood wrote:
The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA wasn't founded with fear and pessimism, and neither was motocross racing. Instead of looking for reasons not to race, look for...
The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA wasn't founded with fear and pessimism, and neither was motocross racing. Instead of looking for reasons not to race, look for solutions.
CM_84 wrote:
Yeah!! Fuck trying to protect people from a deadly virus....that's a losers attitude.
Is that what you truly think? I feel sorry for you.
think you might have missed the sarcasm there buddy
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7/8/2020 8:11pm Edited Date/Time 7/8/2020 8:14pm
He invoked fear, segregation and the motto to not worry, the government will take care of you and steer you in the right direction. Just a...
He invoked fear, segregation and the motto to not worry, the government will take care of you and steer you in the right direction. Just a play from the deep state.
CM_84 wrote:
yeah, except the fear was directed at particular races of people, who were rounded up and exterminated. That is the same as using medical and scientific...
yeah, except the fear was directed at particular races of people, who were rounded up and exterminated.
That is the same as using medical and scientific evidence as to how best approach a viral pandemic..... yeah pretty much the same thing Laughing
You really do not know your history do you? Go back to school.
I dont need to go to school. i read a couple of posts on social media, so now i know more than any historian that studied world war 2 for decades, and history books are just filled full of data that the deep state wants you to believe.

Just like people that read some bullshit on facebook who think that scientists are wrong all the time
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7/8/2020 8:14pm Edited Date/Time 7/8/2020 8:15pm
Question:

so everyone sits in their houses for 3 months, nobody moves or does anything, then let out, nobody has it and 2 guys fly from another country that have it and visit Disney, New York and several other vacation destinations, then what?
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CM_84 wrote:
yeah, except the fear was directed at particular races of people, who were rounded up and exterminated. That is the same as using medical and scientific...
yeah, except the fear was directed at particular races of people, who were rounded up and exterminated.
That is the same as using medical and scientific evidence as to how best approach a viral pandemic..... yeah pretty much the same thing Laughing
You really do not know your history do you? Go back to school.
CM_84 wrote:
I dont need to go to school. i read a couple of posts on social media, so now i know more than any historian that studied...
I dont need to go to school. i read a couple of posts on social media, so now i know more than any historian that studied world war 2 for decades, and history books are just filled full of data that the deep state wants you to believe.

Just like people that read some bullshit on facebook who think that scientists are wrong all the time
Why the fuck do you keep bringing up Facebook?
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Question: so everyone sits in their houses for 3 months, nobody moves or does anything, then let out, nobody has it and 2 guys fly from...
Question:

so everyone sits in their houses for 3 months, nobody moves or does anything, then let out, nobody has it and 2 guys fly from another country that have it and visit Disney, New York and several other vacation destinations, then what?
I dont think anyone is seriously proposing that no-one leaves their house.
Just limit all gatherings to essential services only, its not essential to have 20 of your friends over for a few beers,
(although it pains me to say that haha)
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7/8/2020 8:50pm Edited Date/Time 7/8/2020 8:52pm
Went for a nice 2.5 hour ride this evening.... what a blast.

Since we can't discuss Covid and where we're headed....well, at least not the rational/logical side of it.

This thread....





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Until everyone in the usa wears a mask in public and stays 6+ft away from each other at all times there will be no pro racing...
Until everyone in the usa wears a mask in public and stays 6+ft away from each other at all times there will be no pro racing with fans. Something so simple has turned into an impossible feat for the supposedly greatest country on earth. Took the USA 99 days to hit 1 million cases. Took 28 more days to hit 2 million cases. Took 14 more days to hit 3 million cases. See were this is going? Dont be selfish. Do your part and stop acting like it does not exist.
Wow, rge amount of "just do what the news tells you to do" is mind blowing!Laughing
CM_84 wrote:
Wow the amount of "I dont believe what the researchers, medical experts and scientists say, because i know better after a 5 minute search on facebook"...
Wow the amount of "I dont believe what the researchers, medical experts and scientists say, because i know better after a 5 minute search on facebook" is mind blowing Laughing
You are speaking as if the researchers, medical experts, have reached a consensus of opinion. For every trained medical doctor who says wear a mask, there is another who disagrees. Is seems like whoever one gets their news from is the die hard opinion they adopt. Just last weekend the CDC said the death rate from the virus is so low that it's no longer classified as an "Epidemic." USA has the lowest death rate in the world. More tests have shown HCQ with zinc and the zpack will cure over 90% of people infected if taken early enough.

Why is it so difficult to comprehend there is NO consensus of opinion from the medical "experts" regarding the use of masks and social distancing.
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Wow, rge amount of "just do what the news tells you to do" is mind blowing!Laughing
CM_84 wrote:
Wow the amount of "I dont believe what the researchers, medical experts and scientists say, because i know better after a 5 minute search on facebook"...
Wow the amount of "I dont believe what the researchers, medical experts and scientists say, because i know better after a 5 minute search on facebook" is mind blowing Laughing
Ozy wrote:
You are speaking as if the researchers, medical experts, have reached a consensus of opinion. For every trained medical doctor who says wear a mask, there...
You are speaking as if the researchers, medical experts, have reached a consensus of opinion. For every trained medical doctor who says wear a mask, there is another who disagrees. Is seems like whoever one gets their news from is the die hard opinion they adopt. Just last weekend the CDC said the death rate from the virus is so low that it's no longer classified as an "Epidemic." USA has the lowest death rate in the world. More tests have shown HCQ with zinc and the zpack will cure over 90% of people infected if taken early enough.

Why is it so difficult to comprehend there is NO consensus of opinion from the medical "experts" regarding the use of masks and social distancing.
I was talking more about people who deny Covid is more dangerous than the seasonal flu etc.
I dont wear a mask in public at the moment, very few people do in my area due to low infection rates, but as soon as the medical advisors recommend everyone does it in my area, I will. its not a big deal to me
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CM_84 wrote:
Wow the amount of "I dont believe what the researchers, medical experts and scientists say, because i know better after a 5 minute search on facebook"...
Wow the amount of "I dont believe what the researchers, medical experts and scientists say, because i know better after a 5 minute search on facebook" is mind blowing Laughing
Ozy wrote:
You are speaking as if the researchers, medical experts, have reached a consensus of opinion. For every trained medical doctor who says wear a mask, there...
You are speaking as if the researchers, medical experts, have reached a consensus of opinion. For every trained medical doctor who says wear a mask, there is another who disagrees. Is seems like whoever one gets their news from is the die hard opinion they adopt. Just last weekend the CDC said the death rate from the virus is so low that it's no longer classified as an "Epidemic." USA has the lowest death rate in the world. More tests have shown HCQ with zinc and the zpack will cure over 90% of people infected if taken early enough.

Why is it so difficult to comprehend there is NO consensus of opinion from the medical "experts" regarding the use of masks and social distancing.
CM_84 wrote:
I was talking more about people who deny Covid is more dangerous than the seasonal flu etc. I dont wear a mask in public at the...
I was talking more about people who deny Covid is more dangerous than the seasonal flu etc.
I dont wear a mask in public at the moment, very few people do in my area due to low infection rates, but as soon as the medical advisors recommend everyone does it in my area, I will. its not a big deal to me
As more and more data comes in, most analysis I have read show the virus was active in USA starting end of November and combine the Stanford University antibody test with current numbers and the mortality rate is very close to seasonal flu. This is not opinion but based on empirical data. There were a number of States who put covid 19 infected people back into the general community at retirement homes. Current data says almost 50% of USA fatalities from this virus are a result of the practice of putting sick back with elderly. IF this insane practice had not happened, the mortality rate of this virus would be lower than the seasonal flu.

I am not denying it is a serious virus and care should be taken. how many people in USA dies of Tuberculosis last year? did everybody wear a mask and shut down the economy over that?

People should listen to their conscience. the cure should not be worse than the disease

Peace
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7/9/2020 2:23am Edited Date/Time 7/9/2020 2:27am
Ozy wrote:
You are speaking as if the researchers, medical experts, have reached a consensus of opinion. For every trained medical doctor who says wear a mask, there...
You are speaking as if the researchers, medical experts, have reached a consensus of opinion. For every trained medical doctor who says wear a mask, there is another who disagrees. Is seems like whoever one gets their news from is the die hard opinion they adopt. Just last weekend the CDC said the death rate from the virus is so low that it's no longer classified as an "Epidemic." USA has the lowest death rate in the world. More tests have shown HCQ with zinc and the zpack will cure over 90% of people infected if taken early enough.

Why is it so difficult to comprehend there is NO consensus of opinion from the medical "experts" regarding the use of masks and social distancing.
CM_84 wrote:
I was talking more about people who deny Covid is more dangerous than the seasonal flu etc. I dont wear a mask in public at the...
I was talking more about people who deny Covid is more dangerous than the seasonal flu etc.
I dont wear a mask in public at the moment, very few people do in my area due to low infection rates, but as soon as the medical advisors recommend everyone does it in my area, I will. its not a big deal to me
Ozy wrote:
As more and more data comes in, most analysis I have read show the virus was active in USA starting end of November and combine the...
As more and more data comes in, most analysis I have read show the virus was active in USA starting end of November and combine the Stanford University antibody test with current numbers and the mortality rate is very close to seasonal flu. This is not opinion but based on empirical data. There were a number of States who put covid 19 infected people back into the general community at retirement homes. Current data says almost 50% of USA fatalities from this virus are a result of the practice of putting sick back with elderly. IF this insane practice had not happened, the mortality rate of this virus would be lower than the seasonal flu.

I am not denying it is a serious virus and care should be taken. how many people in USA dies of Tuberculosis last year? did everybody wear a mask and shut down the economy over that?

People should listen to their conscience. the cure should not be worse than the disease

Peace
Dude, where do all of you get this flu comparison from? Has anyone actually checked the CDC numbers? Seasonal flu deaths average anywhere from 12,000 to 60,000 yearly. COVID19 has killed 135,000 since March. I'd love to see your "current data" that supports the claim of the mortality rate being so much lower if we just did one thing differently.

The tuberculosis comparison is silly because guess what, tuberculosis has a vaccine. I know this sounds crazy, but between a known vaccine and the included herd immunity TB is all but gone from the US. On average around 500 people die of it yearly here. In poor countries that lack even basic sanity conditions and no medication is it any surprise TB runs wild, kinda like COVID19 without a vaccine and basic attempts to stem the spread. I don't need to hear talking points from a conspiracy theory video, I like actual data.
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7/9/2020 3:05am Edited Date/Time 7/9/2020 3:05am
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/07/08/437028/s1200_Screenshot_20200708_135355_Instagram.jpg[/img]

A perfect example of fact free rubbish. (Is it from Facebook?)

1. Breathing pure oxygen is fatal. Air is approx 21% 02. No recommended mask removes oxygen from the air we breath. Your dirt bike breaths air, but only a fool runs it without a filter.
2. Survival rate is not 99.9%. At the current rate, if every US citizen contracts the virus 13.2 Million will die. Preventing this is worth at least some effort. IMHO.
3. This Meme is a hoax. More than 130 000 Americans have died in a few months due Covid 19. Are they really alive and hiding somewhere?

Some people choose to believe this baseless propaganda - then through their actions/inactions spread the virus and cause peoples death. Difficult for me to understand.



We all want the Nationals to go ahead.
We all want Covid 19 to go away. (Vaccine, Magic, what ever)

Hopefully a way is found for the racing to continue as soon as possible, without excessive risk of spreading the virus.
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7/9/2020 3:51am
With all due respect, the US nationals is the least of the world’s worries at the moment. Stupid 2020. “In a time of crisis there is opportunity for good, or evil”.
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