Grant Dock

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Have you seen the official results? The link isn't working for me.
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Oh, that's gotta be rough for him.
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MxDaD324 5/30/2009 7:51pm
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missed everything today...why did he get docked?
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MxDaD324 wrote:
missed everything today...why did he get docked?
Jumping on a red cross

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MxDaD324 wrote:
missed everything today...why did he get docked?
sxfan1 wrote:
Jumping on a red cross
damn
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Wandell 5/30/2009 7:58pm
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Rules are rules. If they docked some 250 riders they had to dock him. Sux for JG though that it happened on his first 450 moto win.
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eknight65 5/30/2009 7:59pm
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sxfan1 wrote:
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Exactly how do you know this as the official results are not posted yet?
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They should have had the yellow/red on the outside of the corner, NOT on the inside. They had a regular yellow flag on the outside, that is what Grant could see.

If they do dock him points, the AMA is wrong.
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MXTR wrote:
They should have had the yellow/red on the outside of the corner, NOT on the inside. They had a regular yellow flag on the outside, that...
They should have had the yellow/red on the outside of the corner, NOT on the inside. They had a regular yellow flag on the outside, that is what Grant could see.

If they do dock him points, the AMA is wrong.


exactly
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MXTR wrote:
They should have had the yellow/red on the outside of the corner, NOT on the inside. They had a regular yellow flag on the outside, that...
They should have had the yellow/red on the outside of the corner, NOT on the inside. They had a regular yellow flag on the outside, that is what Grant could see.

If they do dock him points, the AMA is wrong.
Yeah, I saw that too. The flaggers need to be more assertive when they are waving those flagsand get out to where they can be seen better.
project racer 5/30/2009 8:12pm
5/30/2009 8:12pm Edited Date/Time 5/30/2009 8:13pm
Everyone with a TV saw the red/yellow flag. It was not invisible. Alessi acknowledged it. Grant should be docked like the 250 guys.
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MXTR wrote:
They should have had the yellow/red on the outside of the corner, NOT on the inside. They had a regular yellow flag on the outside, that...
They should have had the yellow/red on the outside of the corner, NOT on the inside. They had a regular yellow flag on the outside, that is what Grant could see.

If they do dock him points, the AMA is wrong.
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jeffro503 5/30/2009 8:14pm
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Well...if they dock him , it's bullshit! The way he came around that uphill corner i don't think he saw the flags in time. If he would of let off just a "tad" , he would of had one hell of an impact on the face of that down hill double.

Seems to me he was already committed , and didn't have a choice but to clear it. M.A. saw it because he was looking ahead towards grant , i think Grant may have took a quick look off to his left to check out where M.A. was , and by that time it was to late....clear it , or eat shiot biotch!!
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eknight65 5/30/2009 8:14pm
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project racer wrote:
Everyone with a TV saw the red/yellow flag. It was not invisible. Alessi acknowledged it. Grant should be docked like the 250 guys.
But you also saw just a yellow on the inside so which one was the right flag?
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DownSouth 5/30/2009 8:15pm
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Why was the yellow/red flag even out? From the telecast I did not see any rider down on the landing of the jump. I have no replay to look at from the telecast I just got a quick look when they showed it.

If it was a flagger error it could be a non issue.

I'm sure Suzuki is filing protests and the Ref is in the TV truck trying to figure out what happened.
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WhipMeister 5/30/2009 8:15pm
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Bobby slipped the AMA dude a benjamin.

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WhipMeister 5/30/2009 8:16pm
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Why was the yellow/red flag even out? From the telecast I did not see any rider down on the landing of the jump. I have no...
Why was the yellow/red flag even out? From the telecast I did not see any rider down on the landing of the jump. I have no replay to look at from the telecast I just got a quick look when they showed it.

If it was a flagger error it could be a non issue.

I'm sure Suzuki is filing protests and the Ref is in the TV truck trying to figure out what happened.
I have the vid. I'll try to slice that moment out and post it.
project racer 5/30/2009 8:17pm
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If you are unsure, you do not second guess it. Acknowledge them both. Alessi did , Grant did not. End of story.
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DownSouth 5/30/2009 8:18pm
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Bogus.

As far as I am concerned Grant won the moto.
project racer 5/30/2009 8:20pm
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Fair call. Flagger error or not, you better not jump when you see the red/yellow.
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WhipMeister 5/30/2009 8:25pm
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project racer wrote:
If you are unsure, you do not second guess it. Acknowledge them both. Alessi did , Grant did not. End of story.
You can only be unsure if you see both flags in time to make a go-no go decision. From watching the vid, I think It is very reasonable that Grant may not have seen the inside flagger from his line. Remember, Alessi was behind Grant on a different line.
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eknight65 5/30/2009 8:28pm
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project racer wrote:
If you are unsure, you do not second guess it. Acknowledge them both. Alessi did , Grant did not. End of story.
WhipMeister wrote:
You can only be unsure if you see both flags in time to make a go-no go decision. From watching the vid, I think It is...
You can only be unsure if you see both flags in time to make a go-no go decision. From watching the vid, I think It is very reasonable that Grant may not have seen the inside flagger from his line. Remember, Alessi was behind Grant on a different line.
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project racer wrote:
Fair call. Flagger error or not, you better not jump when you see the red/yellow.
How do you know he saw the yellow/red flag?

I looks like he saw the regular yellow flag that was on the outside of the track.
project racer 5/30/2009 8:33pm
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If you run a stop sign that you did not see, and the cops see you do it , you get penalized. As a rider, like the stop sign runner, the "I did not see it " deal does not get you out of the infraction/penalty.
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project racer wrote:
Fair call. Flagger error or not, you better not jump when you see the red/yellow.
MXTR wrote:
How do you know he saw the yellow/red flag?

I looks like he saw the regular yellow flag that was on the outside of the track.
what happened to no jumping on just yellow.......not saying that call was right though
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WhKnuckle 5/30/2009 8:37pm
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If they're waving both flags, you could reasonably plead confusion, I'd think.
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Then they should have been displaying the yellow/red on both sides of the track, not a yellow on the outside and a yellow/red on the inside.

Stupid rule if it is implemented properly.

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