2019+ KTM 350 EXC-F vs Husqvarna FE350

Black Diesel Bomber
Edited Date/Time 5/9/2020 11:19am
I'm hoping to pickup a 350 this year but want to see what the '21 versions have to offer...for those who follow the KTM/Husky design cycles do you think either of these bikes will get big changes for 2021?

Guys out here in CA are getting them plated, and then stripping them and modding them into fire breathers....I hear the newest '19+ 350 with mods feel closer to 450 power than they ever have?

I'm also interested in seeing if they offer a GasGas version of the 350 EXC-F this year. I'm guessing I'll have to wait until August to find out.

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I doubt any major changes. I’m pretty sure 2020 was the overhaul year and they will likely remain the same for the next couple of years.
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1983YZ125 4/25/2020 5:21am
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Does the 19+ still require a vortex for run right like the previous years?
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Broseph 4/25/2020 7:36am
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1983YZ125 wrote:
Does the 19+ still require a vortex for run right like the previous years?
Yes.


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1983YZ125 wrote:
Does the 19+ still require a vortex for run right like the previous years?
Tell me more. I have a 19 with 3 hours on it. Coming off the 15 model. The bike is night and day better, but the improvement to the motor didn’t blow me away like I was anticipating.

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1983YZ125 4/25/2020 8:50am
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Panic_Rev wrote:
Tell me more. I have a 19 with 3 hours on it. Coming off the 15 model. The bike is night and day better, but the...
Tell me more. I have a 19 with 3 hours on it. Coming off the 15 model. The bike is night and day better, but the improvement to the motor didn’t blow me away like I was anticipating.
Others will know better, i just get second hand knowledge from my fathers projects, but on the trail models to get them street legal they cork them up so they run hot and low power.

If i recall for a while, you could retune the ECU for a euro map and get around that but KTM/Husky cracked down as i'm sure it was a legal liability for them.

Vortex apparently does wonders on these bikes. My fathers previous 501 more or less scared me shitless. Broke the back tire loose doing 65 mph thru a field not even going full throttle.


If i was the OP, i'd be heavily looking at Beta's if planning to buy new. Don't have to screw with any of that, and on the race editions, get KYB's now.
Black Diesel Bomber 4/25/2020 10:30am
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Panic_Rev wrote:
Tell me more. I have a 19 with 3 hours on it. Coming off the 15 model. The bike is night and day better, but the...
Tell me more. I have a 19 with 3 hours on it. Coming off the 15 model. The bike is night and day better, but the improvement to the motor didn’t blow me away like I was anticipating.
1983YZ125 wrote:
Others will know better, i just get second hand knowledge from my fathers projects, but on the trail models to get them street legal they cork...
Others will know better, i just get second hand knowledge from my fathers projects, but on the trail models to get them street legal they cork them up so they run hot and low power.

If i recall for a while, you could retune the ECU for a euro map and get around that but KTM/Husky cracked down as i'm sure it was a legal liability for them.

Vortex apparently does wonders on these bikes. My fathers previous 501 more or less scared me shitless. Broke the back tire loose doing 65 mph thru a field not even going full throttle.


If i was the OP, i'd be heavily looking at Beta's if planning to buy new. Don't have to screw with any of that, and on the race editions, get KYB's now.
I need a plated bike...that's why I'm looking at this model.

And yes, I know guys with the 500 that did the vortex + pipe and gained almost 15hp. So I'm assuming the vortex on the 350 will wake it up too.
Black Diesel Bomber 4/25/2020 11:17am
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1983YZ125 wrote:
Does the 19+ still require a vortex for run right like the previous years?
Panic_Rev wrote:
Tell me more. I have a 19 with 3 hours on it. Coming off the 15 model. The bike is night and day better, but the...
Tell me more. I have a 19 with 3 hours on it. Coming off the 15 model. The bike is night and day better, but the improvement to the motor didn’t blow me away like I was anticipating.
With the quick conversations I had with the guys about the 17-19 350 is they run about 37hp stock and the new 2020 is about 5hp higher at base. With a couple mods you can easily get the '20 350s into the low 50hp range, which is ridiculous. Your '19 should be able to get close to 50hp I would think.
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4/25/2020 2:32pm Edited Date/Time 4/25/2020 2:38pm
1983YZ125 wrote:
Does the 19+ still require a vortex for run right like the previous years?
Broseph wrote:
Yes. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/25/422935/s1200_1D257A3F_2A3B_46A4_AF49_AA43F4D9AAB1.jpg[/img]
Yes.


Is that a dyno chart or the corona curve?
Either way it compares nothing.
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Broseph 4/25/2020 3:11pm
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inthebadboycorner wrote:
Is that a dyno chart or the corona curve?
Either way it compares nothing.
Alright, I’ll humor you with a comparison:



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Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
I need a plated bike...that's why I'm looking at this model. And yes, I know guys with the 500 that did the vortex + pipe and...
I need a plated bike...that's why I'm looking at this model.

And yes, I know guys with the 500 that did the vortex + pipe and gained almost 15hp. So I'm assuming the vortex on the 350 will wake it up too.
The Beta 350 RR-S isn't street legal in Cali?
Black Diesel Bomber 4/25/2020 5:57pm
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Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
I need a plated bike...that's why I'm looking at this model. And yes, I know guys with the 500 that did the vortex + pipe and...
I need a plated bike...that's why I'm looking at this model.

And yes, I know guys with the 500 that did the vortex + pipe and gained almost 15hp. So I'm assuming the vortex on the 350 will wake it up too.
1983YZ125 wrote:
The Beta 350 RR-S isn't street legal in Cali?
Not sure. If it is it's a great bike but I want something I can get parts for wherever I am....not enough Beta support that I'm aware of.
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I’d get an FX and plate it for the suspension improvement and weight savings if you can get that done. Between the FE and XCW definitely the FE imo for the rear suspension.

I’ve ridden the newer FX it handles awesome, feels just about the same as my TX300. The motor has killer top end pull. It feels nothing like a 450 as the power delivery down low is much more mild. The curve is more like a 250F, just with more pull.
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Perhaps relevant.....


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1983YZ125 4/25/2020 10:38pm
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Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Not sure. If it is it's a great bike but I want something I can get parts for wherever I am....not enough Beta support that I'm...
Not sure. If it is it's a great bike but I want something I can get parts for wherever I am....not enough Beta support that I'm aware of.
Parts are as easy to get as a KTM/Husky.

Worse case, i wait 3-4 days for parts. I try to keep a spare oil filter and oil, but other than that most everything is online or thru my local dealer. My Beta dealer in Michigan probably had all the parts to build a bike from scratch. I wouldn't necessarily write it off because it's not a big name.

When i owned Yamaha/Honda's i would wait 3-7+ days commonly for majority of parts when they needed to order since a lot of dealers seem to only place orders a couple times a week.

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Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Not sure. If it is it's a great bike but I want something I can get parts for wherever I am....not enough Beta support that I'm...
Not sure. If it is it's a great bike but I want something I can get parts for wherever I am....not enough Beta support that I'm aware of.
1983YZ125 wrote:
Parts are as easy to get as a KTM/Husky. Worse case, i wait 3-4 days for parts. I try to keep a spare oil filter and...
Parts are as easy to get as a KTM/Husky.

Worse case, i wait 3-4 days for parts. I try to keep a spare oil filter and oil, but other than that most everything is online or thru my local dealer. My Beta dealer in Michigan probably had all the parts to build a bike from scratch. I wouldn't necessarily write it off because it's not a big name.

When i owned Yamaha/Honda's i would wait 3-7+ days commonly for majority of parts when they needed to order since a lot of dealers seem to only place orders a couple times a week.

This is the common misconception with the boutique brands. I’ve always been able to get TM parts faster than any other brand I’ve owned and nothing has ever been backordered. If the distributor didn’t have what I need which was almost never it was still less than a week away from Italy.
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Black Diesel Bomber 4/27/2020 6:26pm
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Just found this video of some dyno before/after. Has anyone used this mod for their 350?

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Black Diesel Bomber 4/27/2020 7:12pm
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FGR01 wrote:
Perhaps relevant..... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/25/423094/s1200_84024180_228317428183787_1203685269266497536_n.jpg[/img]
Perhaps relevant.....


You scared me for a bit but this is for the FE bike, not the FE "s" bike which is the street legal version.
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Broseph 5/9/2020 11:19am
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Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Fire Breather 500 mod:

That guy's dyno is, and always has been, incredibly generous. He says the stock bike makes 54hp. All other dynos put it around 40hp stock.

70hp is just for youtube clicks.

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