Carnage at Carlsbad 1987

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Edited Date/Time 4/4/2020 5:48pm
Just found these in an old photo album. Took pics of pics so apologies for the quality

Pre-season race (CMC?) at Carlsbad early 1987.

Crash happened right in front of us. First lap and a serious yard sale. RJ's chest protector ripped right off. Lucky he had some back protection on.

Is that Arnold and Haines in pic 4?







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Yeah, I remember that, great pics. There was a TNN Hidden Heroes episode profiling Team Honda 1987. That race was part of the episode and I remember Brian Lunniss throwing RJ's busted Fox chest pro into the box van. But, he repaired it and Johnson won the consolation and the overall that day at Carlsbad.

Here's the video of the CMC race there. 250's at 18:15. RJ's crash is replayed.

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fullfloater 4/1/2020 8:53pm
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I've never seen that, thanks Ted722.
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Was that a regular CMC race, or was that a Commotion by the Ocean?
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Sully wrote:
Was that a regular CMC race, or was that a Commotion by the Ocean?
I was there (Sat.) Part of the Golden State Nationals.
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Looks like Chuck Miller in pic 3.
Neat pics- thanks for posting them!
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I'm sorry man... the best racing days were the 2 strokes. Tongue

I've never seen that race....gonna watch the whole video. Thanks for posting.
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Is that Jim "Bones" Bacon in the 4th pic...far right?
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Xeno wrote:
Looks like Chuck Miller in pic 3.
Neat pics- thanks for posting them!
Sure looks like him!
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fullfloater wrote:
More first turn pics [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/02/416149/s1200_IMG_2050.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/02/416150/s1200_IMG_2051.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/02/416151/s1200_IMG_2052.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/02/416152/s1200_IMG_2053.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/02/416148/s1200_IMG_2054.jpg[/img]
More first turn pics






Is that Bader Maneh on the 6?
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Ted722 wrote:
Yeah, I remember that, great pics. There was a TNN Hidden Heroes episode profiling Team Honda 1987. That race was part of the episode and I...
Yeah, I remember that, great pics. There was a TNN Hidden Heroes episode profiling Team Honda 1987. That race was part of the episode and I remember Brian Lunniss throwing RJ's busted Fox chest pro into the box van. But, he repaired it and Johnson won the consolation and the overall that day at Carlsbad.

Here's the video of the CMC race there. 250's at 18:15. RJ's crash is replayed.

Awesome ! That was some great old school MX on a killer track. I don't think I've seen "ol Carlsbad much better than that. I always loved the way American Sports Cavalcade did their MX/SX coverage - especially Daytona SX, they always did a great job. I've always liked the announcers - Paul Page & Steve Evans even though they are auto racing announcers, they are real pros and always did their homework and did a great job announcing MX & SX.
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Great stuff!
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While I still can't believe people used to do it and I really can't believe there weren't major injuries from it

but open face helmets and a race face attached to your googles looks so fucken cool

Edit: That said RJ looks cooler than any other person ever in that pic (next to #87)
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fullfloater wrote:
More first turn pics [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/02/416149/s1200_IMG_2050.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/02/416150/s1200_IMG_2051.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/02/416151/s1200_IMG_2052.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/02/416152/s1200_IMG_2053.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/02/416148/s1200_IMG_2054.jpg[/img]
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Sully wrote:
Is that Bader Maneh on the 6?
Looks like him, and Shaun Kalos next to him #88

(Edit: Zeke is smarter than me, Slippy is not)

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jemcee wrote:
While I still can't believe people used to do it and I really can't believe there weren't major injuries from it but open face helmets and...
While I still can't believe people used to do it and I really can't believe there weren't major injuries from it

but open face helmets and a race face attached to your googles looks so fucken cool

Edit: That said RJ looks cooler than any other person ever in that pic (next to #87)
How about this shot at 21:38 of Lechien with an open face helmet and no crossbar pad. Cringe! I loved watching those American Sports Cavalcade broadcasts as a kid.






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GhostofGrapeApe wrote:
Looks like him, and Shaun Kalos next to him #88

(Edit: Zeke is smarter than me, Slippy is not)

(Edit: You are correct that is Kalos.)
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fullfloater wrote:
More first turn pics [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/02/416149/s1200_IMG_2050.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/02/416150/s1200_IMG_2051.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/02/416151/s1200_IMG_2052.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/02/416152/s1200_IMG_2053.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/02/416148/s1200_IMG_2054.jpg[/img]
More first turn pics






Sully wrote:
Is that Bader Maneh on the 6?
GhostofGrapeApe wrote:
Looks like him, and Shaun Kalos next to him #88

(Edit: Zeke is smarter than me, Slippy is not)


Grape, #88 is Glover.

In the last photo you can see Kalos in the back on the #911 Yam.

Tommy Watts #24 and Ty Davis #11 out front!
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Zeke27G wrote:
Grape, #88 is Glover. In the last photo you can see Kalos in the back on the #911 Yam. Tommy Watts #24 and Ty Davis #11...

Grape, #88 is Glover.

In the last photo you can see Kalos in the back on the #911 Yam.

Tommy Watts #24 and Ty Davis #11 out front!
Ah you're right, he was a rookie in '87. I was thrown by the #24 JT Helmet, but I was a couple years early


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I have more!

How about the Dogger showing up for practice with just a set of goggles.


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Zeke27G wrote:
Grape, #88 is Glover. In the last photo you can see Kalos in the back on the #911 Yam. Tommy Watts #24 and Ty Davis #11...

Grape, #88 is Glover.

In the last photo you can see Kalos in the back on the #911 Yam.

Tommy Watts #24 and Ty Davis #11 out front!
Tommy Watts coming into the first corner like a Boss!

All I want to know is, who is XX on the Yamaha? You don't see that in the pro class these days.
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Zeke27G wrote:
Grape, #88 is Glover. In the last photo you can see Kalos in the back on the #911 Yam. Tommy Watts #24 and Ty Davis #11...

Grape, #88 is Glover.

In the last photo you can see Kalos in the back on the #911 Yam.

Tommy Watts #24 and Ty Davis #11 out front!
fullfloater wrote:
Tommy Watts coming into the first corner like a Boss! All I want to know is, who is XX on the Yamaha? You don't see that...
Tommy Watts coming into the first corner like a Boss!

All I want to know is, who is XX on the Yamaha? You don't see that in the pro class these days.

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Ted722 wrote:
Yeah, I remember that, great pics. There was a TNN Hidden Heroes episode profiling Team Honda 1987. That race was part of the episode and I...
Yeah, I remember that, great pics. There was a TNN Hidden Heroes episode profiling Team Honda 1987. That race was part of the episode and I remember Brian Lunniss throwing RJ's busted Fox chest pro into the box van. But, he repaired it and Johnson won the consolation and the overall that day at Carlsbad.

Here's the video of the CMC race there. 250's at 18:15. RJ's crash is replayed.

Man, check out The Dogger! So smooth!!!
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fullfloater wrote:
I have more! How about the Dogger showing up for practice with just a set of goggles. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/03/416396/s1200_6C73B78C_124A_4D20_B901_5DC62A4F1268.jpg[/img]
I have more!

How about the Dogger showing up for practice with just a set of goggles.


Oh yeah, and in the 1st round at Adelanto Sunrise Park muddy/wet, Lechien either took RJ out or pissed him off big time.

At the end of the moto (that Lechien won), RJ rode up to him, tossed his own bike to the floor, and gave Lechien a big haymaker. No fullface helmet or mask to contend with, "Bad Boy" (RJ) jarred The Dogger's ancestors. Shocked


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Oh yeah, and in the 1st round at Adelanto Sunrise Park muddy/wet, Lechien either took RJ out or pissed him off big time. At the end...
Oh yeah, and in the 1st round at Adelanto Sunrise Park muddy/wet, Lechien either took RJ out or pissed him off big time.

At the end of the moto (that Lechien won), RJ rode up to him, tossed his own bike to the floor, and gave Lechien a big haymaker. No fullface helmet or mask to contend with, "Bad Boy" (RJ) jarred The Dogger's ancestors. Shocked


Yep, I was at that one too Ted722. RJ said that Lechein was brake checking him.

Sadly, it's the the same year/series where Bailey got hurt.
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Quality is not too good on this one but note that we have more Cagivas on the line than KTMs.


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What year was Commotion by the Ocean 2? I remember JMB crashing hard on the Carlsbad freeway and working from the back to almost take Mike Healy for the win.
I became a fan of Bayle that day.
Great race!
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jemcee wrote:
While I still can't believe people used to do it and I really can't believe there weren't major injuries from it but open face helmets and...
While I still can't believe people used to do it and I really can't believe there weren't major injuries from it

but open face helmets and a race face attached to your googles looks so fucken cool

Edit: That said RJ looks cooler than any other person ever in that pic (next to #87)
GhostofGrapeApe wrote:
How about this shot at 21:38 of Lechien with an open face helmet and no crossbar pad. Cringe! I loved watching those American Sports Cavalcade broadcasts...
How about this shot at 21:38 of Lechien with an open face helmet and no crossbar pad. Cringe! I loved watching those American Sports Cavalcade broadcasts as a kid.






Madness! haha
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Here’s one for you jemcee. Leisk?


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One of the most memorable Carnages at Carlsbad for me was I believe at the 87 Golden state series . 125 pro Scott Brown and Willie Surratt are battling for a few laps and here comes Willie with a good drive down the straight with the small drop off ledge that always got muddy before the first right had hairpin on the hillside and off goes Willie and tackles Scott off the bike . I don't remember exactly what the bad blood was from but it was definitely a payback move.
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fullfloater wrote:
Yep, I was at that one too Ted722. RJ said that Lechein was brake checking him.

Sadly, it's the the same year/series where Bailey got hurt.
I thought that was payback for the Dogger taking Rj's little pit tootsie. Maybe I'm thinking about something else.

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