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avidchimp 3/26/2020 10:58pm
3/26/2020 10:58pm
profeshenal125 wrote:
Mauston Wi. I-94 exit 69 truck stop is packed, kwik trip cheap food like large pizza 4.99, no atm fee. But all truck stops from mn...
Mauston Wi. I-94 exit 69 truck stop is packed, kwik trip cheap food like large pizza 4.99, no atm fee. But all truck stops from mn. State line to here are full- of trucks. Trailers with anything you can think of including new cars. Exit 10 wi. 40 minute wait to fuel, some of that do to non English speaking drivers going the wrong way or parking sideways in travel lane to fuel island. Portland to wi. Had steady flow of trucks, Minneapolis had all lanes full of traffic. Business as usual.
JustMX wrote:
It would be nice if the relaxing of HOS would demonstrate that professional drivers are responsible and that there could be some meaning full changes to...
It would be nice if the relaxing of HOS would demonstrate that professional drivers are responsible and that there could be some meaning full changes to a bunch of pencil pushers setting stupid regulations with no first hand knowledge.

A couple of related articles

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-26/truckers-wary-of-new…

https://cdllife.com/2020/report-nypd-towed-semis-while-drivers-slept-am…
As someone who has done that job in some capacity (thank Pedro the SX/MX drivers are on paper), those E-Logs are a problem. So many drivers getting fucked on hours because so many loading dock are packed, both incoming and outgoing.

Good thing is reefer drivers aren't being used as mobile storage by DC's now. Stuff is getting lumpered off and broke down, then going right out the back door.
profeshenal125 3/26/2020 11:28pm
3/26/2020 11:28pm
government fmca is responsible for record number of truck driver fatality’s. They don,t include oil field, agriculture, logging,etc probably anyone here on a visa. How can some American hired to drive a truck not count when there killed in a wreck as a truck driver. These are not quick bullet or bomb deaths, they see it coming and then splat. Different fatality # every year, real # close to 2,000. Not including heart attack, freitliner trucks from 98-07 exhaust poisoning big secret few thousand died. You can still cheat on elog, that was just to make operating expenses higher. To put put small co,s that have morals out of business. I can remove 2 of the many cables and a power fuse And drive across the country. Plug cables back in and people net will never showed that I drove. At 5 mph it clicks to drive line, I will not endanger other people by driving 4.8mph in a city going to unload at 1am down a few streets. So I found a way to cheat, keep people safe and my record clean.
avidchimp
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avidchimp 3/26/2020 11:39pm
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Yeah Bro, nobody cheats the GPS the trucks have. So when you get pulled in for a Level 1 and they want you to email them the log/and or climb in to check, you are fucked if you can't show where the truck has been and how it got there. Not to mention how do you show pre and post trip? Do you show the Chicken Coop a paper log when there is clearly an E-Log device in the rig?

You may be a driver, but damn this is confusing.
profeshenal125 3/27/2020 12:00am
3/27/2020 12:00am
profeshenal125 wrote:
Mauston Wi. I-94 exit 69 truck stop is packed, kwik trip cheap food like large pizza 4.99, no atm fee. But all truck stops from mn...
Mauston Wi. I-94 exit 69 truck stop is packed, kwik trip cheap food like large pizza 4.99, no atm fee. But all truck stops from mn. State line to here are full- of trucks. Trailers with anything you can think of including new cars. Exit 10 wi. 40 minute wait to fuel, some of that do to non English speaking drivers going the wrong way or parking sideways in travel lane to fuel island. Portland to wi. Had steady flow of trucks, Minneapolis had all lanes full of traffic. Business as usual.
JustMX wrote:
It would be nice if the relaxing of HOS would demonstrate that professional drivers are responsible and that there could be some meaning full changes to...
It would be nice if the relaxing of HOS would demonstrate that professional drivers are responsible and that there could be some meaning full changes to a bunch of pencil pushers setting stupid regulations with no first hand knowledge.

A couple of related articles

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-26/truckers-wary-of-new…

https://cdllife.com/2020/report-nypd-towed-semis-while-drivers-slept-am…
avidchimp wrote:
As someone who has done that job in some capacity (thank Pedro the SX/MX drivers are on paper), those E-Logs are a problem. So many drivers...
As someone who has done that job in some capacity (thank Pedro the SX/MX drivers are on paper), those E-Logs are a problem. So many drivers getting fucked on hours because so many loading dock are packed, both incoming and outgoing.

Good thing is reefer drivers aren't being used as mobile storage by DC's now. Stuff is getting lumpered off and broke down, then going right out the back door.
Avid chimp your name always reminds of this old chipanse joke, it,s a little dirty. Can ya tell dirty jokes on here? We still sit at a dock for hours unloading reefer trls. 480.00 fee to unload what they ordered, pay with a paper comp check. Stone Age shit. After we scan bols, receipt from lumper the driver is reimbursed. Had a co. Not reimburse lumper fees, over 3,000.00 I said cut me a check now. Co. Said we have to draw a line in the sand somewhere. I said sure you can can play in the sand while you put 3k in my hand. I called the laborer dept got my money, called sentor Kohl then had a full DOT audit on the rat basturds. I unloaded trucks in Phily when I was 19, phily deal you have pay that man over there to get in here.

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avidchimp
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avidchimp 3/27/2020 12:11am
3/27/2020 12:11am
Oh man, this can run into a total thread derail, but the lumpers in the North East are the worst, other than the grocery DC's down here in LA.

Costco, no lumper and you are out in 2 hours from bumping the dock. Wallyworld was only $50 last time I heard, and can take up to 4 hours, but they aren't as bad as C&S and Associated. They jack driver hours all the time. Some get laid over 18 hours after appt. waiting to get their B.O.L. signed and out the gate.

Reefer drivers are hero's. Those guys get fucked everywhere they go on load on unload times. Almost always out of hours when they shouldn't be.
profeshenal125 3/28/2020 12:02pm
3/28/2020 12:02pm
avidchimp wrote:
Yeah Bro, nobody cheats the GPS the trucks have. So when you get pulled in for a Level 1 and they want you to email them...
Yeah Bro, nobody cheats the GPS the trucks have. So when you get pulled in for a Level 1 and they want you to email them the log/and or climb in to check, you are fucked if you can't show where the truck has been and how it got there. Not to mention how do you show pre and post trip? Do you show the Chicken Coop a paper log when there is clearly an E-Log device in the rig?

You may be a driver, but damn this is confusing.
Yes your correct on gps location. Example check at security shack, after filling out paper work, put paper on a bank style drive threw slot. He yells threw a wall apt is 7am, Windows r 1 way glass. I yell in the morning can I walk up to your door with paper,he says yes. 6.30am At bldg a women says no you can,t b near the bldg, very paranoid. Back to the truck, unhook cables hv to leave property drive down street to a round about back to property to get in line. On there property I hook cables up again. Or customer says no parking here, but on the other side of town you can park, unhook cables at unload location, when I drive back to unload then hook cables- matches gps location.Smile
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just James 3/28/2020 4:18pm
3/28/2020 4:18pm
avidchimp wrote:
Yeah Bro, nobody cheats the GPS the trucks have. So when you get pulled in for a Level 1 and they want you to email them...
Yeah Bro, nobody cheats the GPS the trucks have. So when you get pulled in for a Level 1 and they want you to email them the log/and or climb in to check, you are fucked if you can't show where the truck has been and how it got there. Not to mention how do you show pre and post trip? Do you show the Chicken Coop a paper log when there is clearly an E-Log device in the rig?

You may be a driver, but damn this is confusing.
profeshenal125 wrote:
Yes your correct on gps location. Example check at security shack, after filling out paper work, put paper on a bank style drive threw slot. He...
Yes your correct on gps location. Example check at security shack, after filling out paper work, put paper on a bank style drive threw slot. He yells threw a wall apt is 7am, Windows r 1 way glass. I yell in the morning can I walk up to your door with paper,he says yes. 6.30am At bldg a women says no you can,t b near the bldg, very paranoid. Back to the truck, unhook cables hv to leave property drive down street to a round about back to property to get in line. On there property I hook cables up again. Or customer says no parking here, but on the other side of town you can park, unhook cables at unload location, when I drive back to unload then hook cables- matches gps location.Smile
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profeshenal125 3/28/2020 7:33pm
3/28/2020 7:33pm
About 6 weeks ago at exit 240 I-65 flying j indiana huge lot, busy just outside of Chicago Land. On my 10 break doing laundry, flying j fuel delivery driver said he,s barely getting 8 hrs. Usually 13-14 hrs, that means trucks are not buying fuel. Slow economy
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SKIDLID 3/29/2020 11:50am
3/29/2020 11:50am
newmann wrote:
Collision repair here. No people out driving, no people out crashing. Had a really good first quarter about to wrap up here. Fortunately I haven't been...
Collision repair here. No people out driving, no people out crashing. Had a really good first quarter about to wrap up here. Fortunately I haven't been pissing away money and our little company is pretty good. I also have 27 townhouse rentals here locally, going to be an interesting few months coming up there. They are pretty much all paid for as well so I know I'll still be able to stay on top of my end of it all.
I also own a collision shop. We had a record year going up to now. Our governor shut non essential business down. We are still allowed to be open but we are writing fewer estimates . Deductible problems will hamper some of our jobs so owners won’t fix as many autos . I have a good amount put away with no loans but this will effect me at some point.
motoxxx599 3/29/2020 8:44pm
3/29/2020 8:44pm
UG Utility Construction in the SF Bay Area. We got shut down on the first day of lockdown by several municipalities we were working in because they were sending city inspectors home and we can’t work if they aren’t available. In Downtown SF the police came to our jobsite and made
us leave literally minutes after the lockdown order was announced. We were going to move all of our people and equipment to a project in northern Colorado but found out last week that San Jose, Palo Alto, and a lot of the South Bay cities were still going to let us work because we fall under “public works” and are considered essential. The winter wasn’t great for us due to some unforeseen circumstances making cash tight but things were just starting to move in the right direction until this came about. As long as we can continue to work in South Bay we will be alright and I’m hearing parts of East Bay are going to let their inspectors start working again next week which will open up some additional projects and revenue. Not working for a week and having projects half done in cities that are still shut down that I can’t get paid for sucks but we wont stop grinding. I have 38 employees I have to look out for.
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JustMX 3/29/2020 9:56pm
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I was talking to a guy that owns pretty big construction company and he had people looking at what is in the bill passed last week.

According to him they will go back 12 months on what you paid out, and you can get 4 months of
that prorated amount per employee as a sba loan.

If you pay the employees for the entire 4 months they forgive the loan.

That would be done whether you work them or not.

If you keep them on the payroll, you basically get reimbursed.

Now, I am sure it will be a complicated procedure and there will be an entire industry spring up to help navigate the obstacle course to getting this done, and there will be a lot of fraud, but that certainly sounds better than some of the other,stuff in the news.

Also looks like a lot of people are going to fall through the cracks.

People that haven't worked somewhere for a year or new businesses that don't have the 12 months.

Contract workers and small operators that might be the only employee.

Haven't really seen any media coverage on the details yet.

Also going to be interesting to see what they come up with for rent, since so many areas are forbidding evictions there are going to be a lot of landlords expecting some guarantees and income.



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IanMac138 3/29/2020 10:34pm
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"Don't try and date me brother, I ain't that old." Much love.
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KAWI642 3/30/2020 6:44am
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Freight Broker - last couple weeks have dropped of some but i'm still working which i am grateful for. Main customer supplies ATM's to banks and are considered essential so they are still running although not as heavy.
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kongols 3/30/2020 7:25am
3/30/2020 7:25am
Spain is closing all non-essential factorys, so I'm pretty much out of work. Have no idea what a future holds.
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ob 3/30/2020 8:34am
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Self employed in the auto industry. I haven't been able to work since this started, and we were already really slow. I'm not sure how this is going to turn out but I think it's going to be a long bumpy road.
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Moto Norcal 3/30/2020 9:36am
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kongols wrote:
Spain is closing all non-essential factorys, so I'm pretty much out of work. Have no idea what a future holds.
That sucks- is you government coming up with any aid for people?
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kongols 3/30/2020 9:45am
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kongols wrote:
Spain is closing all non-essential factorys, so I'm pretty much out of work. Have no idea what a future holds.
Moto Norcal wrote:
That sucks- is you government coming up with any aid for people?
Yes, a lot of support. Tax holidays for up to 3 years, guarantied loans to bussineses and much more. If your company turnover falls by 20%, government pays your workers 75% of their wages. Lot of companies are letting people go with a promise to hire them back after a while. Unemployment office doesn`t turn away many or any. Government said they`ll go in to debt as far as needed to support people. We`ve lived very conservatevly all these years. Our budget deficit for a past few years been almost non-existant. Now is a time to spend.
There is more, but I don`t remember. I don`t fall in any of supported categories.
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XXVoid MainXX 3/30/2020 9:53am
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They just furloughed half of my coworkers and my boss and I heard the rest of us will be getting a pay cut.

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duckdog77 3/30/2020 10:19am
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My company announced layoffs nationwide on Friday. Started handing them out today.
GeorgiePorgie 3/30/2020 10:23am
3/30/2020 10:23am Edited Date/Time 3/30/2020 10:24am
XXVoid MainXX wrote:
They just furloughed half of my coworkers and my boss and I heard the rest of us will be getting a pay cut.
Ah furlough. Can’t collect unemployment on furlough....pay into it, but can’t draw from it on the short term during a pandemic when people are being forced not to work. Makes sense.
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APLMAN99 3/30/2020 10:59am
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XXVoid MainXX wrote:
They just furloughed half of my coworkers and my boss and I heard the rest of us will be getting a pay cut.
GeorgiePorgie wrote:
Ah furlough. Can’t collect unemployment on furlough....pay into it, but can’t draw from it on the short term during a pandemic when people are being forced...
Ah furlough. Can’t collect unemployment on furlough....pay into it, but can’t draw from it on the short term during a pandemic when people are being forced not to work. Makes sense.
Huh? Unemployment is absolutely available to an employee on furlough.
TriRacer27 3/30/2020 3:44pm
3/30/2020 3:44pm
Sorry to hear about those of you that have already lost your jobs. Keep your heads up fellas.

I personally had a TERRIBLE year last year after going off on my own and having situations outside my own control knock us out of 3 big deals. I made about 1/3 of my normal income last year so I was really looking to make up some ground this year. Yeah, the timing for this couldn't be worse. But, at least for now, God is providing and we are making good on every payment.
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GeorgiePorgie 3/30/2020 6:56pm
3/30/2020 6:56pm
Furlough in Ohio. No unemployment....or HR doesn’t know shit. But hey, that could very well be.
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chuck317 3/30/2020 8:08pm
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chemical company, thirty years. all our customer switching over to cleaning product, no slow down
profeshenal125 3/30/2020 8:11pm
3/30/2020 8:11pm
I called my credit union fri, to see if a check to Wi. IRS cleared. Yup the IRS cashed it on the 25th. Payment is for state income tax 2018 from a employer that did not take the tax out. Even though I told them for 2 months Every week, then gave up. Warehouses are severely back up, 50 trucks waiting for a dock at Walmart in Ohio.
holyroller1 3/31/2020 7:41am
3/31/2020 7:41am
GeorgiePorgie wrote:
Furlough in Ohio. No unemployment....or HR doesn’t know shit. But hey, that could very well be.
I don't think that's true in this situation. See the following article:

https://www.icemiller.com/ice-on-fire-insights/publications/employment-…

Specifically this section:

"Employees who are laid off, furloughed without pay or experience a reduction in pay may immediately file a claim for unemployment insurance benefits with the Ohio Job & Family Services. Pursuant to Executive Order 2020-03D, signed March 16, 2020, the waiting period to collect unemployment insurance benefits is waived during the public health emergency period."
GeorgiePorgie 3/31/2020 9:44am
3/31/2020 9:44am Edited Date/Time 3/31/2020 9:45am
Thanks for that info. I’m gonna forward that to my wife’s HR rep who blatantly told her she can’t file for unemployment even though they’re placing people on furlough due to elective OR cases being cancelled.
holyroller1 3/31/2020 10:46am
3/31/2020 10:46am
GeorgiePorgie wrote:
Thanks for that info. I’m gonna forward that to my wife’s HR rep who blatantly told her she can’t file for unemployment even though they’re placing...
Thanks for that info. I’m gonna forward that to my wife’s HR rep who blatantly told her she can’t file for unemployment even though they’re placing people on furlough due to elective OR cases being cancelled.
Let us know how it goes. I would still file. Hopefully that article is correct.
el moto diablo 3/31/2020 11:10am
3/31/2020 11:10am
Work in critical infrastructure (communications) work is picking up. Businesses upgrading due to employees working from home.
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SBD 3/31/2020 1:30pm
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Collision repair here. No people out driving, no people out crashing. Had a really good first quarter about to wrap up here. Fortunately I haven't been...
Collision repair here. No people out driving, no people out crashing. Had a really good first quarter about to wrap up here. Fortunately I haven't been pissing away money and our little company is pretty good. I also have 27 townhouse rentals here locally, going to be an interesting few months coming up there. They are pretty much all paid for as well so I know I'll still be able to stay on top of my end of it all.
I just mentioned this to a coworker, The building next to us is a huge auto body repair shop that is usually full of crashed cars.
The parking lot was empty yesterday, and I assume will stay very slow due to less traffic. Hang in there man.

My company is actually continued to stay very busy in the aerospace mfg. We also do medical, which has quadrupled in the last 2 weeks for ventilator parts.

Be safe out there guys !

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