Suspension revalving

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For the average rider and slower (talking slow B, C and D class guys...weekend warriors) a revalve is usually not necessary at all...

Correct Springs
Correct Sag
Play with the clickers
Then is you want to throw some money at your hobby...take the money you'd of spent on a revalve and spend it on as many good riding schools as possible.

You'll go faster that way than revalving your suspension.

But...if going faster isn't your ultimate goal, and you like spending money on your hobby...then by all means, get a revalve...it won't hurt you at all.
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When i revalve, the initial price covers the extra labor it takes to tune it. It also includes the shims that are changed/replaced. What has not been said here, is subsequent changes to the valving at service intervals are free. So if a rider gets faster, updated settings will be installed. Just about all big names/reputable tuners do this. Food for thought⚡⚡
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aussie_108 wrote:
How important is it to have your suspension revalved to your weight and skill level in your opinion? How much of a difference does it really...
How important is it to have your suspension revalved to your weight and skill level in your opinion?
How much of a difference does it really make?
Also, what are you willing to spend to have it done?
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Titan1 wrote:
For the average rider and slower (talking slow B, C and D class guys...weekend warriors) a revalve is usually not necessary at all... Correct Springs Correct...
For the average rider and slower (talking slow B, C and D class guys...weekend warriors) a revalve is usually not necessary at all...

Correct Springs
Correct Sag
Play with the clickers
Then is you want to throw some money at your hobby...take the money you'd of spent on a revalve and spend it on as many good riding schools as possible.

You'll go faster that way than revalving your suspension.

But...if going faster isn't your ultimate goal, and you like spending money on your hobby...then by all means, get a revalve...it won't hurt you at all.
So what your saying is ONLY “A” riders/ Pros need their suspension re-valved ? Unsure

While I will agree with you about the average weekend warrior or beginner riders not benefiting from a suspension set up, I believe that having the suspension properly set up/ valved for your skill level and type of riding, is VERY IMPORTANT, In my opinion.
To each their own
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aussie_108 wrote:
How important is it to have your suspension revalved to your weight and skill level in your opinion? How much of a difference does it really...
How important is it to have your suspension revalved to your weight and skill level in your opinion?
How much of a difference does it really make?
Also, what are you willing to spend to have it done?
What kind of bike do you have and what year is it? What's your skill level and weight?
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Revalving suspension is easy once you know the basics.... But it can take a few intervals to get you where you want to be. Suspension is very personal. There is no one size fits all.
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About $170 for the rear and $190 for the front. For me, I'd rather pay someone to do it properly than try myself, screw something up...
About $170 for the rear and $190 for the front.

For me, I'd rather pay someone to do it properly than try myself, screw something up, have my suspension do something funky and put me on my head. There is a reason I don't have a suspension shop and why I take my stuff to someone with the knowledge to do suspension properly.
^Yep, X 2. My time is better spent making money doing what I know how to do and taking my suspension to a guy and paying him to do what he knows how to do. I'm sure I could learn how to do it, it's just a thing. But I don't want (have) the time to learn a whole new trade.
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2/19/2020 6:27am Edited Date/Time 2/19/2020 9:56am
Titan1 wrote:
For the average rider and slower (talking slow B, C and D class guys...weekend warriors) a revalve is usually not necessary at all... Correct Springs Correct...
For the average rider and slower (talking slow B, C and D class guys...weekend warriors) a revalve is usually not necessary at all...

Correct Springs
Correct Sag
Play with the clickers
Then is you want to throw some money at your hobby...take the money you'd of spent on a revalve and spend it on as many good riding schools as possible.

You'll go faster that way than revalving your suspension.

But...if going faster isn't your ultimate goal, and you like spending money on your hobby...then by all means, get a revalve...it won't hurt you at all.
Langhammx wrote:
So what your saying is ONLY “A” riders/ Pros need their suspension re-valved ? :unsure: While I will agree with you about the average weekend warrior...
So what your saying is ONLY “A” riders/ Pros need their suspension re-valved ? Unsure

While I will agree with you about the average weekend warrior or beginner riders not benefiting from a suspension set up, I believe that having the suspension properly set up/ valved for your skill level and type of riding, is VERY IMPORTANT, In my opinion.
To each their own
I’m Not necessarily that slower riders couldn’t benefit from a revalve, as much as I’m saying that they’d benefit MORE (meaning go faster) by taking riding schools.

Suspension doesn’t work right unless you ride the bike correctly (proper technique...and most all slow riders have awful technique, which is why my comment was directed at slower riders)...so to me, it makes sense to improve technique before spending money on revalving suspension. Further, stock suspension is so good these days, that with proper springs, and sag, no way in the world that property set up stock suspension will hold back a slow rider more than their lack of technique will.

A guy with great technique can go faster on a bike with inferior valved suspension, than a guy with poor technique can go on a superior valved bike.

I’m speaking from experience...I spent lots of money on suspension...because everyone said it was sooooo important...but it wasn’t until I started taking riding schools and fixing my poor technique that I was able to go from the back of the pack in the B class, to the front...then to the A class. No suspension was going to overcome my poor technique.
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About speed: the faster you are, the more you will benefit from suspension revalving. Stock suspension is intended for the average rider to feel comfortable. That means average weight, average skills, average conditions.
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2/20/2020 1:57pm Edited Date/Time 2/20/2020 1:58pm
So I got my bike back, new springs in forks, new valving, new bushes, new oil, new seals, same for the shock. All in all I am really happy with the results! Everything done including parts and labour was just under $1300aud (thats $859.69 freedom dollars)
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aussie_108 wrote:
So I got my bike back, new springs in forks, new valving, new bushes, new oil, new seals, same for the shock. All in all I...
So I got my bike back, new springs in forks, new valving, new bushes, new oil, new seals, same for the shock. All in all I am really happy with the results! Everything done including parts and labour was just under $1300aud (thats $859.69 freedom dollars)
Cool, update us with a ride report when you can.
2/20/2020 2:24pm
aussie_108 wrote:
So I got my bike back, new springs in forks, new valving, new bushes, new oil, new seals, same for the shock. All in all I...
So I got my bike back, new springs in forks, new valving, new bushes, new oil, new seals, same for the shock. All in all I am really happy with the results! Everything done including parts and labour was just under $1300aud (thats $859.69 freedom dollars)
Chance1216 wrote:
Cool, update us with a ride report when you can.
Will do on sunday afternoon (probably really late Saturday night.or early Sunday morning for the states)
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2/20/2020 3:36pm Edited Date/Time 8/31/2026 9:15pm
I'm a big guy, 6'4" 240lbs. Stock suspension on my bikes would bottom out all the time, kick funny, bounce off jumps weird, and every thing else you can think of. Getting my suspension done for my weight and riding ability made all of that go away.

The most important thing, no matter who you use, is to be honest about your ability and what you ride. I race amateur class in the desert and MX. But I only race local low key events. I make sure the builder knows that. If I was to race Mammoth I'd be lapped by 2nd place if I tried to race Amateur Vet. If I ever raced Mammoth I'd be beginner to very slow novice. Be honest with the builder and let them decide what you need done. If they are good they won't be up-selling you on re-valve's and coatings if you don't need them.
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Anonymous wrote:
I'm a big guy, 6'4" 240lbs. Stock suspension on my bikes would bottom out all the time, kick funny, bounce off jumps weird, and every thing...
I'm a big guy, 6'4" 240lbs. Stock suspension on my bikes would bottom out all the time, kick funny, bounce off jumps weird, and every thing else you can think of. Getting my suspension done for my weight and riding ability made all of that go away.

The most important thing, no matter who you use, is to be honest about your ability and what you ride. I race amateur class in the desert and MX. But I only race local low key events. I make sure the builder knows that. If I was to race Mammoth I'd be lapped by 2nd place if I tried to race Amateur Vet. If I ever raced Mammoth I'd be beginner to very slow novice. Be honest with the builder and let them decide what you need done. If they are good they won't be up-selling you on re-valve's and coatings if you don't need them.
At you're riding ability and more importantly at your weight, your stock suspension misbehaving has less to do with your valving, than it does with your springs...
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aussie_108 wrote:
How important is it to have your suspension revalved to your weight and skill level in your opinion? How much of a difference does it really...
How important is it to have your suspension revalved to your weight and skill level in your opinion?
How much of a difference does it really make?
Also, what are you willing to spend to have it done?
The guys that said to get the springs for your body weight, Set the sag, and play with the clickers gave the best advice.

This is what I would do if I wan't racing. Keep the oil in the forks/shock fresh and use the correct spring rate.
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2/20/2020 6:53pm Edited Date/Time 2/20/2020 6:54pm
If he got the proper springs, everything set up right, and decided to treat himself to a little extra (valving),more power to him. People always say support your dealer. What about suspension tuners?
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2/20/2020 7:02pm
Chance1216 wrote:
If he got the proper springs, everything set up right, and decided to treat himself to a little extra (valving),more power to him. People always say...
If he got the proper springs, everything set up right, and decided to treat himself to a little extra (valving),more power to him. People always say support your dealer. What about suspension tuners?
Cheers man, yeah I had a really good payout when I finished up a job I was working on. My mortgage is paid, everything else I own (no debts other than mortgage) so I figured while I could I would get the work done and enjoy knowing I have exactly what I want and or need for the next few years, other than seals and oil.
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Chance1216 wrote:
If he got the proper springs, everything set up right, and decided to treat himself to a little extra (valving),more power to him. People always say...
If he got the proper springs, everything set up right, and decided to treat himself to a little extra (valving),more power to him. People always say support your dealer. What about suspension tuners?
We're rich, man... Lambos, 25 room mansions, hookers, and blow. Thought you knew!
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Learning to work with spring rate, oil levels and all clickers pays major dividends. In fact, if you aren’t comfortable with these a revalve is pretty much a waste of money.

It’s pretty crazy the amount of people who pay to have their stuff “done” or buy A-kit, CV etc, and don’t even know how to set the sag on their bike.
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Chance1216 wrote:
If he got the proper springs, everything set up right, and decided to treat himself to a little extra (valving),more power to him. People always say...
If he got the proper springs, everything set up right, and decided to treat himself to a little extra (valving),more power to him. People always say support your dealer. What about suspension tuners?
slipdog wrote:
We're rich, man... Lambos, 25 room mansions, hookers, and blow. Thought you knew!
I went to school for the wrong trade then. Got lost on my way to college and ended up on a job site
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Chance1216 wrote:
If he got the proper springs, everything set up right, and decided to treat himself to a little extra (valving),more power to him. People always say...
If he got the proper springs, everything set up right, and decided to treat himself to a little extra (valving),more power to him. People always say support your dealer. What about suspension tuners?
slipdog wrote:
We're rich, man... Lambos, 25 room mansions, hookers, and blow. Thought you knew!
Chance1216 wrote:
I went to school for the wrong trade then. Got lost on my way to college and ended up on a job site [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/02/20/405784/s1200_D0D0E097_8CEC_4E68_A628_9413F10331C7.jpg[/img]
I went to school for the wrong trade then. Got lost on my way to college and ended up on a job site
😂😂 I am a landscaper here in Australia. For playing in the dirt and digging holes it's actually not a bad wage (I own the business) haha
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We're rich, man... Lambos, 25 room mansions, hookers, and blow. Thought you knew!
Chance1216 wrote:
I went to school for the wrong trade then. Got lost on my way to college and ended up on a job site [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/02/20/405784/s1200_D0D0E097_8CEC_4E68_A628_9413F10331C7.jpg[/img]
I went to school for the wrong trade then. Got lost on my way to college and ended up on a job site
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😂😂 I am a landscaper here in Australia. For playing in the dirt and digging holes it's actually not a bad wage (I own the business)...
😂😂 I am a landscaper here in Australia. For playing in the dirt and digging holes it's actually not a bad wage (I own the business) haha
Commercial plumber myself.
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Chance1216 wrote:
I went to school for the wrong trade then. Got lost on my way to college and ended up on a job site [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/02/20/405784/s1200_D0D0E097_8CEC_4E68_A628_9413F10331C7.jpg[/img]
I went to school for the wrong trade then. Got lost on my way to college and ended up on a job site
aussie_108 wrote:
😂😂 I am a landscaper here in Australia. For playing in the dirt and digging holes it's actually not a bad wage (I own the business)...
😂😂 I am a landscaper here in Australia. For playing in the dirt and digging holes it's actually not a bad wage (I own the business) haha
Chance1216 wrote:
Commercial plumber myself.
Burger flipper but it’s just a front, all my real money comes from supplying SlipDog and his crew with Real Estate, Cars, Hookers and Blow!
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Chance1216 wrote:
If he got the proper springs, everything set up right, and decided to treat himself to a little extra (valving),more power to him. People always say...
If he got the proper springs, everything set up right, and decided to treat himself to a little extra (valving),more power to him. People always say support your dealer. What about suspension tuners?
slipdog wrote:
We're rich, man... Lambos, 25 room mansions, hookers, and blow. Thought you knew!
Don't be frontin' it's Rio Linda, trailers, go fast, and streetwalkers. Lol
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😂😂 I am a landscaper here in Australia. For playing in the dirt and digging holes it's actually not a bad wage (I own the business)...
😂😂 I am a landscaper here in Australia. For playing in the dirt and digging holes it's actually not a bad wage (I own the business) haha
Chance1216 wrote:
Commercial plumber myself.
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Burger flipper but it’s just a front, all my real money comes from supplying SlipDog and his crew with Real Estate, Cars, Hookers and Blow!
KKAWBOY14: looking like Did you ask for a 13 and get a 31?
Just messin with ya lol.
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2/24/2020 10:38am
Ok, so late is better than never. It feels like a completely different bike now. Everything just feels more predictable, can hit things harder and it worry about bouncing around or getting a weird kick. In sand the rear end just stays planted. The2 tracks I ride mainly, one is 3.2km long (2 miles) and I was 7 seconds.a.lap faster and the sand track I ride is around 1.8km (just over a mile) and was 4 seconds a lap quicker.
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kkawboy14 wrote:
1) very important

2) can make the difference between you getting wore out after 2 laps or making it 7 laps

3) $600
I've recently been going back and forth trying to decide whether I should get a stiffer shock spring. After reading your "#2" i decided to do it. And holy shit I couldnt believe the difference just having the bike sprung right can do to cornering speed/confidence.
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Ok, so late is better than never. It feels like a completely different bike now. Everything just feels more predictable, can hit things harder and it...
Ok, so late is better than never. It feels like a completely different bike now. Everything just feels more predictable, can hit things harder and it worry about bouncing around or getting a weird kick. In sand the rear end just stays planted. The2 tracks I ride mainly, one is 3.2km long (2 miles) and I was 7 seconds.a.lap faster and the sand track I ride is around 1.8km (just over a mile) and was 4 seconds a lap quicker.
Hopefully the guys who say valving isn’t important to anyone that’s not in the A class, read your post.

Those are some huge gains in lap times, but more importantly, you are SAFER on your bike. Not to mention you are going to be way more confident while riding....
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2/24/2020 4:22pm Edited Date/Time 2/25/2020 9:19am
aussie_108 wrote:
Ok, so late is better than never. It feels like a completely different bike now. Everything just feels more predictable, can hit things harder and it...
Ok, so late is better than never. It feels like a completely different bike now. Everything just feels more predictable, can hit things harder and it worry about bouncing around or getting a weird kick. In sand the rear end just stays planted. The2 tracks I ride mainly, one is 3.2km long (2 miles) and I was 7 seconds.a.lap faster and the sand track I ride is around 1.8km (just over a mile) and was 4 seconds a lap quicker.
Langhammx wrote:
Hopefully the guys who say valving isn’t important to anyone that’s not in the A class, read your post. Those are some huge gains in lap...
Hopefully the guys who say valving isn’t important to anyone that’s not in the A class, read your post.

Those are some huge gains in lap times, but more importantly, you are SAFER on your bike. Not to mention you are going to be way more confident while riding....
He'd of had to have the suspension tuner (who knows what he's doing) property set up his stock suspension, then take a lap time. Then revalve it, and take another lap time (and even better is that the rider doesn't know which is stock, which is modified stock, and which is revalved), before you can decide if its properly set up suspension, or the valving. I'm going to bet its properly set up suspension responsible for the majority of those gains (assuming he isn't 175 lbs and faster than a fast B rider).

I'd still say that properly set up suspension, and some good riding schools with time put in to perfect what they teach will get him a faster lap time than poor technique on revalved suspension.

(I have no idea what his riding level is, nor his weight...he might already be a fast B rider or A rider and 175 lbs, and a revalve is the best thing for him.)
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kkawboy14 wrote:
1) very important

2) can make the difference between you getting wore out after 2 laps or making it 7 laps

3) $600
Jardo wrote:
I've recently been going back and forth trying to decide whether I should get a stiffer shock spring. After reading your "#2" i decided to do...
I've recently been going back and forth trying to decide whether I should get a stiffer shock spring. After reading your "#2" i decided to do it. And holy shit I couldnt believe the difference just having the bike sprung right can do to cornering speed/confidence.
My 2020 Kx450f literally felt like it was broken when I rode it stock. Adjusting the compression and rebound helped some but man when Pro Action did my suspension, Springs, revalving and oil it was like butta! (I weigh 230)

What was the harshest was the landings off big jumps, landing in a hole and rollers. That stock stuff was scaring me to death and wearing me out!
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