Lower Back Pain when riding...

Titan
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Edited Date/Time 1/22/2012 9:25pm
I posted the ride report on Monday, so some of you know but I did my first Hare and Hound race last weekend. It was 100 miles of whooped out, dusty, twisty, rocky heaven. But I finished, and that was my goal.

Anyway, when I go on long rides, not necessarily racing, but single track, desert rides or any type of riding where I stand up for long periods of time the musles in my lower back eventually turn into a big lump of throbbing nastyness.

Anyone else experienced this?

Are there anyways to fix it...like Kidney Belts (remember those?) I've never used one before, but will the extra lower back support help?

Or do I just need to get in better shape?

Anyway, just asking.
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Yamaha24
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5/20/2009 10:18am
The EVS kidney belt offers a lot of support...I have tried TLD, FOX, SixSixOne....and found the EVS to be the best for support and comfort.
5/20/2009 10:31am
Grab a good kidney belt and do more sit-ups. Your abs are weak.
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Do you wear knee braces? If so, dump 'em, and let us know. I got rid of mine, and my back pain went away.

Also, core exercises. Every day.
TJ 755
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skinny belt cured it for me.

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5/20/2009 10:45am
Add stretching/balanced strengthing of your legs to core with the core strength.
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5/20/2009 10:50am
Are you sure it's not from sitting down over the bumps?
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Core excercises period! When a lot of people get back muscle pain , it's due to weak stomach and side muscles. Find out which excercises work for you the best in getting ALL the muscles all the way around toned up. I learned this quite a while ago and it did nothing but help.

Also....just going for long walks or a kind of "fast walk" really helps after time as well. They take a good couple months to tone everything up , but you won't regret it....best thing ever is to tone your mid-section ( core)
Titan
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5/20/2009 11:05am
I"m sure my abs are weak (i can't remember the last time I did a sit up), and I think I'll try the kidney belt.

As for sitting down over the bumps, it could be, I guess. But I tend to stand up almost all the time, except for corners and really smooth sections...until my lower back starts hurting, then I sit more.

I don't wear knee braces, just knee/shin gaurds....you think those will cause it?

So sit ups, and kidney belt...I'll give it a try.
Titan
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jeffro503 wrote:
Core excercises period! When a lot of people get back muscle pain , it's due to weak stomach and side muscles. Find out which excercises work...
Core excercises period! When a lot of people get back muscle pain , it's due to weak stomach and side muscles. Find out which excercises work for you the best in getting ALL the muscles all the way around toned up. I learned this quite a while ago and it did nothing but help.

Also....just going for long walks or a kind of "fast walk" really helps after time as well. They take a good couple months to tone everything up , but you won't regret it....best thing ever is to tone your mid-section ( core)
Do you have any suggestions for the most effective "core" exercises?

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No on the knee/shin guards. Try these core exercises, especially slides #2 and #9:

Link: Core exercises
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Everyone has pretty much said it but if you or anyone else questions it, strengthen your core and loosen your legs... not just hamstrings but calves and quads too...

Kidney belts? Honestly, I have always worn one but Id question whether or not you can actually get them tight enough to do any real good...
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ive ridden for 10 years. out of no where a couple months ago my back started killing me., its never hurt or had any problems before. 2 weeks went by and still was in same pain with no difference. a friend suggested a kidney belt, i borrowed one for a weekend and it was almost instant relief. i bought the evs but the one borrowed was a fox. both worked, i wore it for a couple months and then went back to riding without . no pain yet. i suggest getting one. I am in good shape and do crossfit/core exercises so i doubt its my abs being weak. i think i got mine for under 40 bucks. definetley worth it.
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Jabjr got it right. Loosen up, too. Yoga classes work wonders for both core exercises and stretching. You'll notice the difference within 4 yoga sessions and one visit to the track after. Oh, and the scenery ain't half bad in those classes, either...
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5/20/2009 11:35am
jtomasik wrote:
No on the knee/shin guards. Try these core exercises, especially slides #2 and #9:

Link: Core exercises
Right on!

Thanks JT

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5/20/2009 11:37am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 12:00am
jeffro503 wrote:
Core excercises period! When a lot of people get back muscle pain , it's due to weak stomach and side muscles. Find out which excercises work...
Core excercises period! When a lot of people get back muscle pain , it's due to weak stomach and side muscles. Find out which excercises work for you the best in getting ALL the muscles all the way around toned up. I learned this quite a while ago and it did nothing but help.

Also....just going for long walks or a kind of "fast walk" really helps after time as well. They take a good couple months to tone everything up , but you won't regret it....best thing ever is to tone your mid-section ( core)
Titan wrote:
Do you have any suggestions for the most effective "core" exercises?

JT put up a good link there for you too.

I have a really big smith machine here at the house along with an Elliptical trainer. the smith system i have is the older model of this one >> http://www.bodysolid.com/Home/item.cfm?id=522


You don't have to own one of these , if you have a gym around your neck of the woods.

I do a couple certain excercises for my core and they are

1. using the lat pull down ( with a rope) standing on my knees and pulling the rope from above my head , down to my elbows onto my knees. the weights actually help pull you up and have no back strain , it's all pulling power.

2. ) leg raises from a standing position , you can do one leg at a time and just rotate left , right , left , right.

3. Crunches , with my arms folded over my chest , touching right elbow to left knee and then left elbow to right knee.

4. squats with no weights to start out with and work your way up.

5. side laterals ....using the lower lat extension on the smith machine , i have it facing one side of my body , gripping a single handed grip. Standing strait up , i then bend towards the machine , and then strait back up again. WARNING....go at these extremely slow and VERY strict. You can hurt your back if not done correctly , but they will work your sides like no other excercise on the planet.

also....even though the Elliptical trainer doesn't do much for your mid section ( but will help to lose fat overall) i try and keep my mid section "flexed" when using it , and it seems to help work those areas as well. I try and hit the Elliptical trainer 3 times a week for about 45 minutes and a medium strength , and it works really well for lungs and heart workout. I try and stay at "least" at 90% of my maximum heart rate after about the first 10 minutes.

When you are strengthening your lower back , ALWAYS take it slow and easy until you know your limits. The key is to balance the muscles all the way around from your stomach , side muscles and lower back. IF you get to strong in one area , you can adversely affect the other areas understand? You want to keep them all on par with each other. It takes a while , but if you do it right , it will help you in ways you thought we're long gone since you we're young.


I myself , LOVE working out and staying in shape. It did nothing but help in my racing as well , unless i gained to much size , then it kind of hindered my riding....didn't feel fluid.

take care of your back the best you can , because once it's damaged , it can be really hard to ever get it back to working properly.


If you have any more questions , please feel free to ask Titan. I am not a professional trainer , but i do have a lot of experience with what my own body is capable of , and it's something i have always enjoyed doing. Besides the fact , it can do nothing but improve your riding strength if done correctly.
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jeffro503 wrote:
Core excercises period! When a lot of people get back muscle pain , it's due to weak stomach and side muscles. Find out which excercises work...
Core excercises period! When a lot of people get back muscle pain , it's due to weak stomach and side muscles. Find out which excercises work for you the best in getting ALL the muscles all the way around toned up. I learned this quite a while ago and it did nothing but help.

Also....just going for long walks or a kind of "fast walk" really helps after time as well. They take a good couple months to tone everything up , but you won't regret it....best thing ever is to tone your mid-section ( core)
Titan wrote:
Do you have any suggestions for the most effective "core" exercises?

jeffro503 wrote:
JT put up a good link there for you too. I have a really big smith machine here at the house along with an Elliptical trainer...
JT put up a good link there for you too.

I have a really big smith machine here at the house along with an Elliptical trainer. the smith system i have is the older model of this one >> http://www.bodysolid.com/Home/item.cfm?id=522


You don't have to own one of these , if you have a gym around your neck of the woods.

I do a couple certain excercises for my core and they are

1. using the lat pull down ( with a rope) standing on my knees and pulling the rope from above my head , down to my elbows onto my knees. the weights actually help pull you up and have no back strain , it's all pulling power.

2. ) leg raises from a standing position , you can do one leg at a time and just rotate left , right , left , right.

3. Crunches , with my arms folded over my chest , touching right elbow to left knee and then left elbow to right knee.

4. squats with no weights to start out with and work your way up.

5. side laterals ....using the lower lat extension on the smith machine , i have it facing one side of my body , gripping a single handed grip. Standing strait up , i then bend towards the machine , and then strait back up again. WARNING....go at these extremely slow and VERY strict. You can hurt your back if not done correctly , but they will work your sides like no other excercise on the planet.

also....even though the Elliptical trainer doesn't do much for your mid section ( but will help to lose fat overall) i try and keep my mid section "flexed" when using it , and it seems to help work those areas as well. I try and hit the Elliptical trainer 3 times a week for about 45 minutes and a medium strength , and it works really well for lungs and heart workout. I try and stay at "least" at 90% of my maximum heart rate after about the first 10 minutes.

When you are strengthening your lower back , ALWAYS take it slow and easy until you know your limits. The key is to balance the muscles all the way around from your stomach , side muscles and lower back. IF you get to strong in one area , you can adversely affect the other areas understand? You want to keep them all on par with each other. It takes a while , but if you do it right , it will help you in ways you thought we're long gone since you we're young.


I myself , LOVE working out and staying in shape. It did nothing but help in my racing as well , unless i gained to much size , then it kind of hindered my riding....didn't feel fluid.

take care of your back the best you can , because once it's damaged , it can be really hard to ever get it back to working properly.


If you have any more questions , please feel free to ask Titan. I am not a professional trainer , but i do have a lot of experience with what my own body is capable of , and it's something i have always enjoyed doing. Besides the fact , it can do nothing but improve your riding strength if done correctly.
Great info!

I appreciate the invitation to ask you questions when needed. I've never been big on "working out", I've always played sports (basketball, usually) and ride as much as I can. And that was enough when I was younger...now that I'm older, I guess that isn't enough (though I don't play ball or ride NEARLY as much as I used too). Anyway, so I'm severly lacking in knowledge in that area.

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5/20/2009 11:48am Edited Date/Time 5/20/2009 11:49am
No problem Titan , i love helping out other riders as much as i can. Just remember to take everything SLOW at first and work your way up from there , i can't stress that enough. Riding a bike can play hell on a persons back for sure , no matter how good of shape you are in , but staying in shape the best you can will help dramatically. Oh yeah...and the "age" thing , believe me , i know where you are coming from. It gets harder and harder for me every year tto try and stay in shape , and i don't bounce off the ground like i used to...i just go splat! HAHA!!
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I get lower back pain whenever I forget my kidney belt, every time.
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crowe176 wrote:
I get lower back pain whenever I forget my kidney belt, every time.
Me too. If you have a degeneration of your discs, core exercise is not worth the effort. Get a kidney belt I found the EVS to be the best for me.
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i get serious back pain from when i broke 6 vertebrae in a huge wreck over a double, i had a personal trainer from my local gym work me up a routine to improve my core stability and last week was my first ride back and i had no pain at all.

But i am however going to try a kidney belt for extra support.
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crowe176 wrote:
I get lower back pain whenever I forget my kidney belt, every time.
Cygnus wrote:
Me too. If you have a degeneration of your discs, core exercise is not worth the effort. Get a kidney belt I found the EVS to...
Me too. If you have a degeneration of your discs, core exercise is not worth the effort. Get a kidney belt I found the EVS to be the best for me.
Same here. I forgot mine 2 weeks ago, and it took me 3 days to get over the ache.

I do core exercises, but have sciatic problems. Best thing so far is some yoga stretching my wife showed me.

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