Ferrandis out for MXON at Assen!

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Funny shit. France wouldnt have picked Ferrandis anyway. With Paulin, Febvre and VIALLE on a 250 they have a perfect team, and much less costs than...
Funny shit. France wouldnt have picked Ferrandis anyway. With Paulin, Febvre and VIALLE on a 250 they have a perfect team, and much less costs than if they would choose Ferrandis and Musquin.

With Dylan saying he doesn't wanna ride anyway, it just makes it simpler for the French federation to pick a team without anyone wining about it, They proved more than once that they don't need the AMA riders...
You mean Dylan was saying he wouldn’t ride coz he knew he wouldn’t get pick anyway so he threw it out there before the team was...
You mean Dylan was saying he wouldn’t ride coz he knew he wouldn’t get pick anyway so he threw it out there before the team was picked?
Could be. No stranger federation than the French, you never know
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Funny shit. France wouldnt have picked Ferrandis anyway. With Paulin, Febvre and VIALLE on a 250 they have a perfect team, and much less costs than...
Funny shit. France wouldnt have picked Ferrandis anyway. With Paulin, Febvre and VIALLE on a 250 they have a perfect team, and much less costs than if they would choose Ferrandis and Musquin.

With Dylan saying he doesn't wanna ride anyway, it just makes it simpler for the French federation to pick a team without anyone wining about it, They proved more than once that they don't need the AMA riders...
You mean Dylan was saying he wouldn’t ride coz he knew he wouldn’t get pick anyway so he threw it out there before the team was...
You mean Dylan was saying he wouldn’t ride coz he knew he wouldn’t get pick anyway so he threw it out there before the team was picked?
I think so too. France will pick Vialle, if Dylan will ride or not.
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Blame circus cross, the same easy tracks every week, i don't know when the manufacturas are going to realize that sx dont sell Bikes, the same...
Blame circus cross, the same easy tracks every week, i don't know when the manufacturas are going to realize that sx dont sell Bikes, the same People Who goes sx , fills the stadiums on a monster jam event
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Put a top level Euro sand rider on one of our “easy” Supercross tracks and they’ll get passed by guys [i]they've[/i] never heard of like they’re...
Put a top level Euro sand rider on one of our “easy” Supercross tracks and they’ll get passed by guys they've never heard of like they’re standing still.

I can’t believe I even responded to your shit-tier post
We did and now he's a 1 times West coast 250sx champion and 2 times 450mx outdoor champion and has several SX 450 wins, so what's your point.
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With Vialle doing that good lately he would be out no matter what. They will choose Vialle because they got all the tools and parts in Europe. The kid is an amazing starter, and thats all you need in Assen and for a good MXDN moto result.

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It does make more sense to use Vialle, he's been really fast all year, good starter, trains in the sand regularly and is also on a factory ktm which is probably the best bike in the class. Only downside is its his first mxdn.
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Those 90 odd riders are not supposed to win. AC is. Anything else than winning it's a failure. He will go anyways. Amateur true heros? For...
Those 90 odd riders are not supposed to win. AC is. Anything else than winning it's a failure. He will go anyways.

Amateur true heros? For sure, riders who just love the sport for what it is. But they are not supposed to win. They won't be claimed and cursed everywhere if they don't win. That's a big difference.

Watch your mouth gentleman, this is not about insulting others.
"Anything else than winning it's a failure".

No wonder riders don't wanna go
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2004 AMA Last Round: Sept 11-12
2019 AMA Last Round: Aug 25
Net: 18 days earlier

2004 Motocross of Nations: Oct 3
2019 Motocross of Nations: Sep 29
Net: 5 days earlier

So please let's stop talking about how the MXoN has changed dates and moved back later.... as jemcee's graphic showed..... it hasn't
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Great character from AC. First, when nobody wants to go he offers himself to represent the national team, then when warned by another rider he just...
Great character from AC. First, when nobody wants to go he offers himself to represent the national team, then when warned by another rider he just doesn't step back and brings some sense of humor to the table.

That is, in my opinion, a champion's mindset, and mainly the Motocross spirit: hunger for riding wherever it is, whenever it is and with a badass attitude.

The difference between someone who wants trophies and someone who loves this sport.

I would have thought that most of the 90 odd riders who willingly show up for MXoN are warned that they have little chance of winning...
I would have thought that most of the 90 odd riders who willingly show up for MXoN are warned that they have little chance of winning, but want to race anyway.

I'm struggling to understand why you think that Adam Cianciarulo is some kind of stand-out in this regard.

The true heros of MXoN are the amatuer riders from smaller nations who bust their balls to get there to ride for their country, not the highly paid pros that get the attention of star-struck muppets like you..
This ^
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ayearinmx wrote:
2004 AMA Last Round: Sept 11-12 2019 AMA Last Round: Aug 25 Net: 18 days earlier 2004 Motocross of Nations: Oct 3 2019 Motocross of Nations...
2004 AMA Last Round: Sept 11-12
2019 AMA Last Round: Aug 25
Net: 18 days earlier

2004 Motocross of Nations: Oct 3
2019 Motocross of Nations: Sep 29
Net: 5 days earlier

So please let's stop talking about how the MXoN has changed dates and moved back later.... as jemcee's graphic showed..... it hasn't
Even DC, a bloke I respect far more (well, immensely more) than Luongo, has a 'selective memory' about the dates, and highlights the one to suit.. And, of course, hasn't the US series been jiggled around to fit in with college football, giving an early(er) finish? I'd think a bigger break between the SX season and the US Nationals would be great for both Riders and Teams.

As an aside, could you give me an impression of the spectator turn out at Palembang? On other threads, there's the usual "no more than 3 men and a dog" estimations, but, as it has been before in Indo, there's a lot of undercover spectating stands, that looked to me to be quite packed. I can't get away this weekend to Semarang, so I gave a mate of mine my tickets and accommodation. I hope that my travel insurance coughs up soon for the flight (and other) costs, so I can put it to things later in the year.
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I can see why it's your third and last attempt.
Whistling No idea on my side.

- The first strike i got because i was young and foolish and didn't know how the things work around here.
- The second strike i got because i made brexit joke. It was really harmless general joke but fair square i guess.

Back to the topic - even DV12 had a remark on behalf of FFM behavior when selecting last years nomination. I am just spreading the message [don't shoot the messanger- just club him a little from time to time to establish dominance], kinda... Maybe trolling a bit but that's beside the point.

Good day sir.
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Vialle is ripping this year and only getting better. He had the fastest lap at the last mx2 race and will get great starts at mxdn. Is Vialle considering USA? Caught it off the main event pod tld is eyeing a French kid?
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Vialle is ripping this year and only getting better. He had the fastest lap at the last mx2 race and will get great starts at mxdn...
Vialle is ripping this year and only getting better. He had the fastest lap at the last mx2 race and will get great starts at mxdn. Is Vialle considering USA? Caught it off the main event pod tld is eyeing a French kid?
I doubt it. Vialle is still young and RB KTM will need someone to be title threat next year in MX2 when Prado goes to MXGP.

There are some legit bois in EMX250 to choose from as his team mates but noone can be immediate TOP3 rider.
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7/10/2019 4:35am
seventeen wrote:
And prado olsen and geerts will get beat if they come here...
Don't underestimate Prado. He's one of those very few special talents. Prado will win everywhere he decides to ride.
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7/10/2019 5:11am
Dcross829 wrote:
Vialle is ripping this year and only getting better. He had the fastest lap at the last mx2 race and will get great starts at mxdn...
Vialle is ripping this year and only getting better. He had the fastest lap at the last mx2 race and will get great starts at mxdn. Is Vialle considering USA? Caught it off the main event pod tld is eyeing a French kid?
My guess would be that if they are eyeing someone it would be Moreau.
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My guess would be that if they are eyeing someone it would be Moreau.
Brian Moreau indeed tried the bike two weeks ago. We'll see how it goes. Moreau has talent and will, but is on the ground half the motos.
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ayearinmx wrote:
2004 AMA Last Round: Sept 11-12 2019 AMA Last Round: Aug 25 Net: 18 days earlier 2004 Motocross of Nations: Oct 3 2019 Motocross of Nations...
2004 AMA Last Round: Sept 11-12
2019 AMA Last Round: Aug 25
Net: 18 days earlier

2004 Motocross of Nations: Oct 3
2019 Motocross of Nations: Sep 29
Net: 5 days earlier

So please let's stop talking about how the MXoN has changed dates and moved back later.... as jemcee's graphic showed..... it hasn't
David, that's my point: both the last national and the last MXGP events have moved. The nationals end earlier, the MXGP schedule (and consequently the MXON) run later. In America we can't change our schedule back and go into September, which is all about the NFL, college football and going back to school -- NBC doesn't want to show MX when they have Notre Dame football every Saturday in September and the NFL every Sunday.

And interesting you mention 2004: Team USA didn't even show up that year because it was too late on the schedule even then and RC and Stew and friends were more focused on getting ready for SX.

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7/10/2019 5:58am
ayearinmx wrote:
2004 AMA Last Round: Sept 11-12 2019 AMA Last Round: Aug 25 Net: 18 days earlier 2004 Motocross of Nations: Oct 3 2019 Motocross of Nations...
2004 AMA Last Round: Sept 11-12
2019 AMA Last Round: Aug 25
Net: 18 days earlier

2004 Motocross of Nations: Oct 3
2019 Motocross of Nations: Sep 29
Net: 5 days earlier

So please let's stop talking about how the MXoN has changed dates and moved back later.... as jemcee's graphic showed..... it hasn't
Bearuno wrote:
Even DC, a bloke I respect far more (well, immensely more) than Luongo, has a 'selective memory' about the dates, and highlights the one to suit...
Even DC, a bloke I respect far more (well, immensely more) than Luongo, has a 'selective memory' about the dates, and highlights the one to suit.. And, of course, hasn't the US series been jiggled around to fit in with college football, giving an early(er) finish? I'd think a bigger break between the SX season and the US Nationals would be great for both Riders and Teams.

As an aside, could you give me an impression of the spectator turn out at Palembang? On other threads, there's the usual "no more than 3 men and a dog" estimations, but, as it has been before in Indo, there's a lot of undercover spectating stands, that looked to me to be quite packed. I can't get away this weekend to Semarang, so I gave a mate of mine my tickets and accommodation. I hope that my travel insurance coughs up soon for the flight (and other) costs, so I can put it to things later in the year.
See above. Not selective memory, just looking at actual dates. The nationals used to run into October and after the MXON. Now we end in August, and MXGP goes until the end of September.

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ayearinmx wrote:
2004 AMA Last Round: Sept 11-12 2019 AMA Last Round: Aug 25 Net: 18 days earlier 2004 Motocross of Nations: Oct 3 2019 Motocross of Nations...
2004 AMA Last Round: Sept 11-12
2019 AMA Last Round: Aug 25
Net: 18 days earlier

2004 Motocross of Nations: Oct 3
2019 Motocross of Nations: Sep 29
Net: 5 days earlier

So please let's stop talking about how the MXoN has changed dates and moved back later.... as jemcee's graphic showed..... it hasn't
Bearuno wrote:
Even DC, a bloke I respect far more (well, immensely more) than Luongo, has a 'selective memory' about the dates, and highlights the one to suit...
Even DC, a bloke I respect far more (well, immensely more) than Luongo, has a 'selective memory' about the dates, and highlights the one to suit.. And, of course, hasn't the US series been jiggled around to fit in with college football, giving an early(er) finish? I'd think a bigger break between the SX season and the US Nationals would be great for both Riders and Teams.

As an aside, could you give me an impression of the spectator turn out at Palembang? On other threads, there's the usual "no more than 3 men and a dog" estimations, but, as it has been before in Indo, there's a lot of undercover spectating stands, that looked to me to be quite packed. I can't get away this weekend to Semarang, so I gave a mate of mine my tickets and accommodation. I hope that my travel insurance coughs up soon for the flight (and other) costs, so I can put it to things later in the year.
DC wrote:
See above. Not selective memory, just looking at actual dates. The nationals used to run into October and after the MXON. Now we end in August...
See above. Not selective memory, just looking at actual dates. The nationals used to run into October and after the MXON. Now we end in August, and MXGP goes until the end of September.

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Thank you DC for your responses here.

Honestly, have you ever been able to talk with Luongo about the date of the MXDN ?

If yes, what did he answer ? Did you explain to him the Nationals calendaar cannot move anymore because of the NFL ?

Does he understand that a great MXDN must include the US riders (from any nationalities) ?

Many Thx
7/10/2019 6:29am
SEMAC wrote:
Blame circus cross, the same easy tracks every week, i don't know when the manufacturas are going to realize that sx dont sell Bikes, the same...
Blame circus cross, the same easy tracks every week, i don't know when the manufacturas are going to realize that sx dont sell Bikes, the same People Who goes sx , fills the stadiums on a monster jam event
zehn wrote:
Put a top level Euro sand rider on one of our “easy” Supercross tracks and they’ll get passed by guys [i]they've[/i] never heard of like they’re...
Put a top level Euro sand rider on one of our “easy” Supercross tracks and they’ll get passed by guys they've never heard of like they’re standing still.

I can’t believe I even responded to your shit-tier post
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We did and now he's a 1 times West coast 250sx champion and 2 times 450mx outdoor champion and has several SX 450 wins, so what's...
We did and now he's a 1 times West coast 250sx champion and 2 times 450mx outdoor champion and has several SX 450 wins, so what's your point.
His point is one you missed. He's saying throw those GP guys straight into a supercross track, and they are going to be lost.
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7/10/2019 6:50am Edited Date/Time 7/10/2019 6:51am
Bearuno wrote:
Even DC, a bloke I respect far more (well, immensely more) than Luongo, has a 'selective memory' about the dates, and highlights the one to suit...
Even DC, a bloke I respect far more (well, immensely more) than Luongo, has a 'selective memory' about the dates, and highlights the one to suit.. And, of course, hasn't the US series been jiggled around to fit in with college football, giving an early(er) finish? I'd think a bigger break between the SX season and the US Nationals would be great for both Riders and Teams.

As an aside, could you give me an impression of the spectator turn out at Palembang? On other threads, there's the usual "no more than 3 men and a dog" estimations, but, as it has been before in Indo, there's a lot of undercover spectating stands, that looked to me to be quite packed. I can't get away this weekend to Semarang, so I gave a mate of mine my tickets and accommodation. I hope that my travel insurance coughs up soon for the flight (and other) costs, so I can put it to things later in the year.
DC wrote:
See above. Not selective memory, just looking at actual dates. The nationals used to run into October and after the MXON. Now we end in August...
See above. Not selective memory, just looking at actual dates. The nationals used to run into October and after the MXON. Now we end in August, and MXGP goes until the end of September.

DC
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Thank you DC for your responses here. Honestly, have you ever been able to talk with Luongo about the date of the MXDN ? If yes...
Thank you DC for your responses here.

Honestly, have you ever been able to talk with Luongo about the date of the MXDN ?

If yes, what did he answer ? Did you explain to him the Nationals calendaar cannot move anymore because of the NFL ?

Does he understand that a great MXDN must include the US riders (from any nationalities) ?

Many Thx
I have spoken to David Luongo, yes, and he understands what we're up against, and he explained how the MXGP schedule works as well. I have asked NBC about moving past Labor Day and they were not supportive of the idea at all. We also asked the team managers and they prefer to finish before Labor Day, which we have the past few years.

The MXON is like an all-star race for most riders. They appreciate the national pride aspects, but they also look at it as something of a one-off honor -- they will go a time or two or three but after awhile it's just not that appealing. Ask Villopoto, Dungey and Eli about that. They have to work and stay in shape for five extra weeks while their primary competition is resting and starting to get ready for the new season. It's a challenge to get the top guys and their teams interested year after year, as Roger has found out time and again.

Also, when we win, it's simply expected. When we lose the guys get buried by critics.

And again, don't completely discount the Monster Cup's role in this: RV, Marvin and Eli have all won $1 million paydays in a race that didn't exist when Carmichael and friends were racing. That potential pay day seriously affects interest in participating in the MXON.

I don't have any answers here, but I do wish the race were back to mid-September, because we are landlocked on our national dates.

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It's not about scheduling or million dollar races. If riders want to go, they'll make it work. AC for example, said he's willing to go and would he honored to go.
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It's not about scheduling or million dollar races. If riders want to go, they'll make it work. AC for example, said he's willing to go and...
It's not about scheduling or million dollar races. If riders want to go, they'll make it work. AC for example, said he's willing to go and would he honored to go.
Then let's not beat them up when they don't want to go. Like someone said earlier, Ferrandis gets a pat on the back for bowing out, Eli gets a knife.

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It's not about scheduling or million dollar races. If riders want to go, they'll make it work. AC for example, said he's willing to go and...
It's not about scheduling or million dollar races. If riders want to go, they'll make it work. AC for example, said he's willing to go and would he honored to go.
You live in a fantasy land. Everything anyone does is for money (and women Wink )
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7/10/2019 7:26am Edited Date/Time 7/10/2019 7:29am
jemcee wrote:
Edit: Again just going off what I can work out from google 1996- 22nd September 1997- 14th September 1998- 27th September 1999- 26th September (This is...
Edit: Again just going off what I can work out from google

1996- 22nd September
1997- 14th September
1998- 27th September
1999- 26th September
(This is a screen shot of a post I put in another thread)
The Mxon hasn't been Mid-september since 2000... It has been roughly the same 2 week period for the last 15 years. Ever since I've gone to them

Quoted to show how the dates HAVEN'T changed
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