MXGP of Latvia - June 15-16

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Bidirella 6/16/2019 7:21am
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Gasjer making big crashes almost every GP and gets up everytime. Herlings and Tony 1 crash and both are out
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RichardLoots 6/16/2019 7:25am
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Sandwarrior752 wrote:
So in all this wild stuff happening, things are looking up for Tonus for the overall !
about time , Tonus has been on fire last races ... would be nice to see him this one
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KMC440 6/16/2019 7:29am
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I hope it's just a sep shoulder for AC222 ... best possible outcome of that wreck.
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KMC440 6/16/2019 7:32am
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Timmy is definitely in "don't throw it away" mode.

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KMC440 6/16/2019 7:48am
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That was a damn good race to watch ...
Gutted for AC but happy to Romain get 2nd in the moto.
RichardLoots 6/16/2019 7:52am
6/16/2019 7:52am Edited Date/Time 6/16/2019 7:53am
so Gajser won overall ? wow didn't expect that to happen after moto 1
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FLmxer 6/16/2019 8:21am
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Crazy weekend for the mxgp. Man bummed for Tony and Jeffrey. That 250 racing was good and close too.
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Park Boys 6/16/2019 8:26am
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Since the End of the SX series it seems like KTM can’t buy a break in the 450s. The KTM Boys are getting killed in the outdoors stateside and AC has been making little mistakes costing him and now a big one which may have taken him out of the title chase and Herlings lasts three motos.
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mccread 6/16/2019 8:39am
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PastranaWho wrote:
Dropping like flies, brutal sport.
RichardLoots wrote:
yeah they all are just a crash away from a season ending injury .. and some people on here love to make jokes about them...
yeah they all are just a crash away from a season ending injury .. and some people on here love to make jokes about them ... unreal

Desalle out , Herlings out and now Tony ?? thats last years top 3 out for season
Crazy sport and MXGP class today. Agreed and Gajser has had bigger crashes than Cairoli, Herlings and Desalle all year, even a big one in Latvia and he is still okay and looking like winning the title now. Cairoli and Herlings been very unlucky this year.
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Motocross83 6/16/2019 8:50am
6/16/2019 8:50am
Gajser's just been incredible thus far - tbh the complete opposite of what I would've predicted after Argentina. He looks not only blazingly fast and smooth but also cool and calculating in his decision making. He's really taken the pressure to Tony this season. Of course it's still along way and anything can happen etc, but yeah, absolutely amazing so far in 2019 and great to have him back at the top of his game.

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DimitrieSep 6/16/2019 8:51am
6/16/2019 8:51am
Congrats Tim Gajser with your third World Title
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kkawboy14 6/16/2019 9:14am
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PastranaWho wrote:
Dropping like flies, brutal sport.
RichardLoots wrote:
yeah they all are just a crash away from a season ending injury .. and some people on here love to make jokes about them...
yeah they all are just a crash away from a season ending injury .. and some people on here love to make jokes about them ... unreal

Desalle out , Herlings out and now Tony ?? thats last years top 3 out for season
mccread wrote:
Crazy sport and MXGP class today. Agreed and Gajser has had bigger crashes than Cairoli, Herlings and Desalle all year, even a big one in Latvia...
Crazy sport and MXGP class today. Agreed and Gajser has had bigger crashes than Cairoli, Herlings and Desalle all year, even a big one in Latvia and he is still okay and looking like winning the title now. Cairoli and Herlings been very unlucky this year.
What kind of money is a MXGP title for the 450 Champion?
Sandwarrior752 6/16/2019 9:32am
6/16/2019 9:32am
The Cairoli crash that took him out of the race today:

RichardLoots 6/16/2019 10:03am
6/16/2019 10:03am Edited Date/Time 6/16/2019 10:04am
dislocated shoulder they say .. so he should be fine real soon ..lets hope so
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tek14 6/16/2019 10:08am
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Dislocated shoulder could be so many things.. he could be up to speed next weekend or weak for month or more. He been lucky this year with many close calls as he been pushing speed with Gajser. First race he was so close to crashing too many times also. Lets hope he can return, if that needs surgery that could be the end for his will to get that 10th title.
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crowe176 6/16/2019 11:15am
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Just watched the race, and shut if off after AC222 crashed. Gutted for that man. Of all the series this year, Tony was the only guy I really wanted to win a title this year, .. So BUMMED for him.

Hopefully it's not too serious. He was holding his arm like I did when I broke my clavicle, but I guess it could be anything..
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RDX 6/17/2019 12:33am
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450 First Moto best laptime: 1:56.465 Cairoli
250 First Moto best laptime: 1:55.939 Prado

450 Second Moto best laptime: 1:56.103 Gajser
250 Second Moto best laptime: 1:54.604 Prado

How's that possible? Was the track groomed before 250s starts or would Prado beat all of the 450s with the 250 on a one lap race?
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steed 2.0 6/17/2019 1:01am
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RDX wrote:
450 First Moto best laptime: 1:56.465 Cairoli 250 First Moto best laptime: [b]1:55.939[/b] Prado 450 Second Moto best laptime: 1:56.103 Gajser 250 Second Moto best laptime...
450 First Moto best laptime: 1:56.465 Cairoli
250 First Moto best laptime: 1:55.939 Prado

450 Second Moto best laptime: 1:56.103 Gajser
250 Second Moto best laptime: 1:54.604 Prado

How's that possible? Was the track groomed before 250s starts or would Prado beat all of the 450s with the 250 on a one lap race?
Because more horsepower is not necessarily an advantage on a flat track...hillside tracks is where the 450 has the advantage over the 250.
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DeStouwer 6/17/2019 1:31am
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RDX wrote:
450 First Moto best laptime: 1:56.465 Cairoli 250 First Moto best laptime: [b]1:55.939[/b] Prado 450 Second Moto best laptime: 1:56.103 Gajser 250 Second Moto best laptime...
450 First Moto best laptime: 1:56.465 Cairoli
250 First Moto best laptime: 1:55.939 Prado

450 Second Moto best laptime: 1:56.103 Gajser
250 Second Moto best laptime: 1:54.604 Prado

How's that possible? Was the track groomed before 250s starts or would Prado beat all of the 450s with the 250 on a one lap race?
Because the track gets more detoriated when MXGP goes out...

If you want to compare:

450 first moto: 17 laps in 34min 02sec (Herlings)
250 first moto: 17 laps in 34min 06sec (Prado)

450 second moto: 18 laps in 35min 56sec (Gajser)
250 second moto: 18 laps in 35min 45sec (Prado)

This is, ofcourse, a very small margin. In the past GP's the difference was way bigger, in the advantage of the 450s.
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Ray_MXS 6/17/2019 1:58am
6/17/2019 1:58am Edited Date/Time 6/17/2019 2:03am
RDX wrote:
450 First Moto best laptime: 1:56.465 Cairoli 250 First Moto best laptime: [b]1:55.939[/b] Prado 450 Second Moto best laptime: 1:56.103 Gajser 250 Second Moto best laptime...
450 First Moto best laptime: 1:56.465 Cairoli
250 First Moto best laptime: 1:55.939 Prado

450 Second Moto best laptime: 1:56.103 Gajser
250 Second Moto best laptime: 1:54.604 Prado

How's that possible? Was the track groomed before 250s starts or would Prado beat all of the 450s with the 250 on a one lap race?
The track is significantly rougher once the MXGP class gets out.

Compare the next to last lap in MX2 (Since last lap some people who arent in a fight are cruising to finish) and the first full lap in MX1.

250 first moto best laptime lap 16: 1.58.959 Prado
450 first moto best laptime lap 2: 1.56.465 Cairoli

250 second moto best laptime lap 17: 1.58.051 Geerts
450 second moto best laptime lap 2: 1.56.218 Seewer.

I remember back in the day there were times where the 125 class would have better laptimes than 250, on some really hardpack tracks.

But like DeStouwer said, the gap is overall much smaller now. Just look at the MXoN and how well Prado and Lawrence did on a 250 against all the 450s, and that was on a fairly sandy, wet and heavy racetrack with LOTS of hills.

250s makes tons of power these days.
450s makes way too much power these days.
EnvyMedia 6/17/2019 1:59am
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RDX wrote:
450 First Moto best laptime: 1:56.465 Cairoli 250 First Moto best laptime: [b]1:55.939[/b] Prado 450 Second Moto best laptime: 1:56.103 Gajser 250 Second Moto best laptime...
450 First Moto best laptime: 1:56.465 Cairoli
250 First Moto best laptime: 1:55.939 Prado

450 Second Moto best laptime: 1:56.103 Gajser
250 Second Moto best laptime: 1:54.604 Prado

How's that possible? Was the track groomed before 250s starts or would Prado beat all of the 450s with the 250 on a one lap race?
250's had both turns before the wave section and the wave section itself freshly groomed.
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steed 2.0 6/17/2019 3:12am
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Ray_MXS wrote:
The track is significantly rougher once the MXGP class gets out. Compare the next to last lap in MX2 (Since last lap some people who arent...
The track is significantly rougher once the MXGP class gets out.

Compare the next to last lap in MX2 (Since last lap some people who arent in a fight are cruising to finish) and the first full lap in MX1.

250 first moto best laptime lap 16: 1.58.959 Prado
450 first moto best laptime lap 2: 1.56.465 Cairoli

250 second moto best laptime lap 17: 1.58.051 Geerts
450 second moto best laptime lap 2: 1.56.218 Seewer.

I remember back in the day there were times where the 125 class would have better laptimes than 250, on some really hardpack tracks.

But like DeStouwer said, the gap is overall much smaller now. Just look at the MXoN and how well Prado and Lawrence did on a 250 against all the 450s, and that was on a fairly sandy, wet and heavy racetrack with LOTS of hills.

250s makes tons of power these days.
450s makes way too much power these days.
A 450 wears you out quicker in comparison with a 250 ( even for pros ) and the 250 is a little more nimble in comparison with a 450 ( which can be helpful when the track gets rougher ( beatenup ) later on in the moto (2) sand and hills is adifferent story... however, you see the same trend over and over ( on both sides of the ocean ) on some tracks the top 250s are faster.
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tek14 6/17/2019 3:42am
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Prado´s bike is light and has so strong motor that stock 450 are left behind. That with light talented rider with smoother track will make good laptimes. People say 450 are too powerfull but same goes to 250 also.
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RDX 6/17/2019 3:54am
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Geerts and Kjer Olsen were topping the 450s also.

I'd like to see a final mixed moto, similar to the Italian championship or the mx of nations.
Muscle-Milk-KTM 6/17/2019 4:02am
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Geerts and Kjer Olsen were topping the 450s also. I'd like to see a final mixed moto, similar to the Italian championship or the mx of...
Geerts and Kjer Olsen were topping the 450s also.

I'd like to see a final mixed moto, similar to the Italian championship or the mx of nations.
They tried that, it didn’t work.
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philG 6/17/2019 5:15am
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Bidirella wrote:
Will Forato get a penalty or DQ? He passed guys under waving yellow..
ayearinmx wrote:
The FIM were notified by 3 different teams that Forato jumped with yellow and medical flags..... and have decided not to penalise him i couldn't even...
The FIM were notified by 3 different teams that Forato jumped with yellow and medical flags..... and have decided not to penalise him

i couldn't even guess as to the reason why/how they came to that decision, but that is what they have said
The only thing i can think of is that as he approached the jump he was unsighted by other riders.. i didnt see any flags on TV until the shot after the jump, and he had maybe 4 guys in his eyeline between him and the flags... he did check up , but too late for 'wheels on the ground' and he didnt clear the jump fully.. and at that point he looked over to the flaggers... it was a great ride either way.
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David934 6/17/2019 5:33am
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Any news on Antonio shoulder? Able to lineup for next race?
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Motofinne 6/17/2019 9:10am
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I just rewatched the motos.

Am i the only one that thinks Cairolis bike looked horrible compared to the other riders bikes? His backend kicked around a lot already in moto 1.

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