JGR RM-Z stage 2 kit

coastlinecascot 6/15/2019 9:27am
6/15/2019 9:27am
Ghostrider145 wrote:
So I read through most of this thread. I have a 2012 RMZ450 that does not see a lot of ride time. Stock it was far...
So I read through most of this thread.
I have a 2012 RMZ450 that does not see a lot of ride time. Stock it was far from slow but I felt like I shifted a lot. So I did a few mods, one at a time.
1) -Ported the head for low to mid power. (kept the rest stock)

2) -Moto Tass air4orce

3) -Crower cams (This mod really spread out the power) My theory was to use the cam and Vortex to spread out the power.

4) -Vortex (may be the single best mod)

That was all done by me. I still run the standard Vortex map(s), so there alone I’m leaving some more tuneability in the table.
I also do use race fuel. The question I ask myself is that if I had the time and money I would of like to try a HC piston, with stock Cams. I was told the stock cams on Suzuki are good. The point is that JGR did all your homework for you, took all the trial and error out of the process. So you can know it’s done right, and reliable. I don’t think it’s a bad value after doing what I have done.
Now selling the bike & recouping the cost is a another topic for dicussion. Suzuki is far underrated as a mx machine imo.
Yes I’d rather buy a RMZ and make it like I want it, then buy a Orange or white bike for $10,000.

Ghost
2012 is a damn good handling bike. My next mod is a 2012 frame swap with my 14 frame.
Ghostrider145 6/15/2019 9:35am
6/15/2019 9:35am
Yes this bike is pretty amazing. It only has 18 hours. Bought it from a friend with 12 hours in 2013. I have RG3’s whole B-kit setup and had the subframe cut down a tad. Thought about selling it but after posting it on the last RMZ450 thread a month ago I was told I could get $2500-$2800 easily. Like that was a compliment. Lol

Ghost
coastlinecascot 6/15/2019 9:52am
6/15/2019 9:52am
Ghostrider145 wrote:
Yes this bike is pretty amazing. It only has 18 hours. Bought it from a friend with 12 hours in 2013. I have RG3’s whole B-kit...
Yes this bike is pretty amazing. It only has 18 hours. Bought it from a friend with 12 hours in 2013. I have RG3’s whole B-kit setup and had the subframe cut down a tad. Thought about selling it but after posting it on the last RMZ450 thread a month ago I was told I could get $2500-$2800 easily. Like that was a compliment. Lol

Ghost
I swapped some sss forks and rmz lugs on mine to add flex over the 49s. Helped out a ton. Overall the rmz had been a solid bike
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Yeti365 6/15/2019 10:23am
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This without pre-assembled parts

Also, TD recommended keeping the oem valvetrain. They spoke very highly of the durability of oem Suzuki and KTM valvetrains.
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Kelz87 6/15/2019 11:23am
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Suzuki should make a JGR Edition

Keep the entry cost low for the average joe, but offer a performance version for competitors similar to the FE Ktm and Works Honda
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jbrown15 6/15/2019 2:36pm
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It would be awesome if JGR or anyone for the matter could post a before and after dyno chart showing exactly what this kit gets you in the terms of power. If it’s as good as what they are saying it could really convince some people to buy these kits.

I for one think it’s awesome they are offering these kits but I would still want to see what I’m getting for my money before buying one.

I’m in the market for a new bike and have to admit I love how the Suzuki’s look and am tempted to buy one.
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Underground 6/15/2019 3:37pm
6/15/2019 3:37pm
Bruce372 wrote:
The engine kit nearly costs as much as the bike. Lol. As for putting it back to stock when you sell it and the parts, good...
The engine kit nearly costs as much as the bike. Lol.

As for putting it back to stock when you sell it and the parts, good luck with that too.
Good luck with what?
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Bruce372 6/15/2019 3:42pm
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Bruce372 wrote:
The engine kit nearly costs as much as the bike. Lol. As for putting it back to stock when you sell it and the parts, good...
The engine kit nearly costs as much as the bike. Lol.

As for putting it back to stock when you sell it and the parts, good luck with that too.
Underground wrote:
Good luck with what?
Selling your Suzuki and all the boxes of parts you need for it
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walent215 6/15/2019 4:44pm
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Yeti365 wrote:
From Twisted. Th [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/15/354662/s1200_Screenshot_20190615_101959.jpg[/img] This without pre-assembled parts Also, TD recommended keeping the oem valvetrain. They spoke very highly of the durability of oem Suzuki and...
From Twisted. Th
This without pre-assembled parts

Also, TD recommended keeping the oem valvetrain. They spoke very highly of the durability of oem Suzuki and KTM valvetrains.
Did you have this work performed on your bike? Or is this just an estimate? Under labor it states deck head and includes guides and seats then just below adds those items , services again?? Curious on the transmission/ bottom end friction reduction coatings....Are they polishing the transmission or doing rem / isf / cryo treatment?? A few other line items seem questionable as well .I'm very aware of Jamie's reputation skill etc but this estimate has me scratching my head.
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Yeti365 6/15/2019 5:14pm
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Yeti365 wrote:
From Twisted. Th [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/15/354662/s1200_Screenshot_20190615_101959.jpg[/img] This without pre-assembled parts Also, TD recommended keeping the oem valvetrain. They spoke very highly of the durability of oem Suzuki and...
From Twisted. Th
This without pre-assembled parts

Also, TD recommended keeping the oem valvetrain. They spoke very highly of the durability of oem Suzuki and KTM valvetrains.
walent215 wrote:
Did you have this work performed on your bike? Or is this just an estimate? Under labor it states deck head and includes guides and seats...
Did you have this work performed on your bike? Or is this just an estimate? Under labor it states deck head and includes guides and seats then just below adds those items , services again?? Curious on the transmission/ bottom end friction reduction coatings....Are they polishing the transmission or doing rem / isf / cryo treatment?? A few other line items seem questionable as well .I'm very aware of Jamie's reputation skill etc but this estimate has me scratching my head.
I asked for a full build quote to see what the individual services cost so I can decide what's worth it and what isn't (for me anyway).

I did notice that too. It's kinda strange.
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yz133rider 6/15/2019 5:21pm
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Yeti365 wrote:
From Twisted. Th [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/15/354662/s1200_Screenshot_20190615_101959.jpg[/img] This without pre-assembled parts Also, TD recommended keeping the oem valvetrain. They spoke very highly of the durability of oem Suzuki and...
From Twisted. Th
This without pre-assembled parts

Also, TD recommended keeping the oem valvetrain. They spoke very highly of the durability of oem Suzuki and KTM valvetrains.
walent215 wrote:
Did you have this work performed on your bike? Or is this just an estimate? Under labor it states deck head and includes guides and seats...
Did you have this work performed on your bike? Or is this just an estimate? Under labor it states deck head and includes guides and seats then just below adds those items , services again?? Curious on the transmission/ bottom end friction reduction coatings....Are they polishing the transmission or doing rem / isf / cryo treatment?? A few other line items seem questionable as well .I'm very aware of Jamie's reputation skill etc but this estimate has me scratching my head.
Yeti365 wrote:
I asked for a full build quote to see what the individual services cost so I can decide what's worth it and what isn't (for me...
I asked for a full build quote to see what the individual services cost so I can decide what's worth it and what isn't (for me anyway).

I did notice that too. It's kinda strange.
Decking the head is different then decking the cylinder...whats the confusion? Not a repeat item, 2 seperate components.
Underground 6/15/2019 6:17pm
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Bruce372 wrote:
The engine kit nearly costs as much as the bike. Lol. As for putting it back to stock when you sell it and the parts, good...
The engine kit nearly costs as much as the bike. Lol.

As for putting it back to stock when you sell it and the parts, good luck with that too.
Underground wrote:
Good luck with what?
Bruce372 wrote:
Selling your Suzuki and all the boxes of parts you need for it
What boxes off parts are you talking about? You're either clueless or illiterate
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yz133rider 6/15/2019 6:26pm
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Underground wrote:
Good luck with what?
Bruce372 wrote:
Selling your Suzuki and all the boxes of parts you need for it
Underground wrote:
What boxes off parts are you talking about? You're either clueless or illiterate
Hes talking shit about how suzukis are hard to sell and that selling spare parts will be equally as hard.
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walent215 6/15/2019 7:05pm
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walent215 wrote:
Did you have this work performed on your bike? Or is this just an estimate? Under labor it states deck head and includes guides and seats...
Did you have this work performed on your bike? Or is this just an estimate? Under labor it states deck head and includes guides and seats then just below adds those items , services again?? Curious on the transmission/ bottom end friction reduction coatings....Are they polishing the transmission or doing rem / isf / cryo treatment?? A few other line items seem questionable as well .I'm very aware of Jamie's reputation skill etc but this estimate has me scratching my head.
Yeti365 wrote:
I asked for a full build quote to see what the individual services cost so I can decide what's worth it and what isn't (for me...
I asked for a full build quote to see what the individual services cost so I can decide what's worth it and what isn't (for me anyway).

I did notice that too. It's kinda strange.
yz133rider wrote:
Decking the head is different then decking the cylinder...whats the confusion? Not a repeat item, 2 seperate components.
Thanks for pointing that out bud!
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Underground 6/15/2019 9:53pm
6/15/2019 9:53pm Edited Date/Time 6/15/2019 10:09pm
Bruce372 wrote:
Selling your Suzuki and all the boxes of parts you need for it
Underground wrote:
What boxes off parts are you talking about? You're either clueless or illiterate
yz133rider wrote:
Hes talking shit about how suzukis are hard to sell and that selling spare parts will be equally as hard.
Maybe I'll dumb it down for him.
You buy your new Suzuki and a new JGR head kit. You remove the stock head and piston and store in a sealed container, fit JGR stuff, race all year with adequate top end maintenance, finish season, remove JGR head and piston and refit the standard head and piston which you had all the time in a sealed container. Only parts required are gaskets piston circlip. Sell bike.
Then you buy your new Suzuki, freshen up JGR head if required, remove stock and replace with JGR because the bike hasn't changed.
Not too hard to understand I thought. Bit like having to buy CV and Trax suspension for your KTM, removing and putting on next year bike if it still fits.
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wpark89 6/16/2019 7:02am
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yz133rider wrote:
Hes talking shit about how suzukis are hard to sell and that selling spare parts will be equally as hard.
I don’t think he’s talking shit. He’s a Suzuki guy who’s speaking the truth. It’s cool and looks like a decent deal for someone who thinks they need all those mods....but who are they selling them to? I had a box full of new RMZ parts I couldn’t sell and I hauled to the track to give away to anyone I could find with an RMZ 450.

Over 300 bikes there and I couldn’t find anybody...ended up bringing them home. Next race I did find a guy with a 14.
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brettmx 6/16/2019 12:09pm
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Yeti365 wrote:
From Twisted. Th [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/15/354662/s1200_Screenshot_20190615_101959.jpg[/img] This without pre-assembled parts Also, TD recommended keeping the oem valvetrain. They spoke very highly of the durability of oem Suzuki and...
From Twisted. Th
This without pre-assembled parts

Also, TD recommended keeping the oem valvetrain. They spoke very highly of the durability of oem Suzuki and KTM valvetrains.
My gawd !. Unless you are an aspiring AMA professional this is insane. You could by 2 really well prepped 250 2 strokes for that kind of money. Certainly for a vet rider you can win on a 2 stroke on most tracks.
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Preston412 6/17/2019 12:20pm
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colvin227 wrote:
Im surprised it has stock valves and seats still. No valve job to compliment the porting, and no performance seats. Or at least from what has...
Im surprised it has stock valves and seats still. No valve job to compliment the porting, and no performance seats. Or at least from what has been said. But you would think if it was included it would be listed. I’m guessing if you sourced your own JE piston, and Webb cams one can put it together much cheaper. But yeah the JGR etching is exclusive. I think it’s a great idea by them and I’m super happy they are investing in the Suzuki. I just wish there was an option to send your own head in as a core to have the stuff installed vs, purchasing a whole,new head assembly to make the package cheaper and more “reasonable”
racetech is your alternative for head and cylinder work

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colvin227 6/17/2019 1:16pm
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colvin227 wrote:
Im surprised it has stock valves and seats still. No valve job to compliment the porting, and no performance seats. Or at least from what has...
Im surprised it has stock valves and seats still. No valve job to compliment the porting, and no performance seats. Or at least from what has been said. But you would think if it was included it would be listed. I’m guessing if you sourced your own JE piston, and Webb cams one can put it together much cheaper. But yeah the JGR etching is exclusive. I think it’s a great idea by them and I’m super happy they are investing in the Suzuki. I just wish there was an option to send your own head in as a core to have the stuff installed vs, purchasing a whole,new head assembly to make the package cheaper and more “reasonable”
Preston412 wrote:
racetech is your alternative for head and cylinder work
Well yeah, I’m more talking about sending in your existing head to JGR and having thier kit installed in your head, it would cut down the cost. But I can also see JGR not wanting to deal with that crap and just having assembly’s on the shelf ready to ship soon as the order comes in.
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Mr. Afterbar 6/17/2019 4:04pm
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Underground wrote:
What boxes off parts are you talking about? You're either clueless or illiterate
He trolls every Suzuki thread. Just ignore him.

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