Start race with one bike and finish on another. Would this be legal?

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Interesting scene at an amateur event. Guy in 1st and 2nd crash, the first guy gets up and grabs the other riders bike by accident, finishes the race in 10th place on the other riders bike. Rider gets scored in 10th place even though the transponder scored the other rider. Rider then goes on to finish 2, 1 in his next two rounds to qualify for LL. Kind of confusing as they were checking frame numbers. I have nothing in this as my rider qualified anyways. Just wondered how others think this should have been handled.
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yamaharider471 6/10/2019 6:50am
6/10/2019 6:50am
rryker wrote:
Interesting scene at an amateur event. Guy in 1st and 2nd crash, the first guy gets up and grabs the other riders bike by accident, finishes...
Interesting scene at an amateur event. Guy in 1st and 2nd crash, the first guy gets up and grabs the other riders bike by accident, finishes the race in 10th place on the other riders bike. Rider gets scored in 10th place even though the transponder scored the other rider. Rider then goes on to finish 2, 1 in his next two rounds to qualify for LL. Kind of confusing as they were checking frame numbers. I have nothing in this as my rider qualified anyways. Just wondered how others think this should have been handled.
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t_baum88 6/10/2019 6:50am
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Lmao this actually happened, at a regional nonetheless?

That’s a hard DQ bob.
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DC 6/10/2019 6:56am
6/10/2019 6:56am Edited Date/Time 6/10/2019 7:01am
rryker wrote:
Interesting scene at an amateur event. Guy in 1st and 2nd crash, the first guy gets up and grabs the other riders bike by accident, finishes...
Interesting scene at an amateur event. Guy in 1st and 2nd crash, the first guy gets up and grabs the other riders bike by accident, finishes the race in 10th place on the other riders bike. Rider gets scored in 10th place even though the transponder scored the other rider. Rider then goes on to finish 2, 1 in his next two rounds to qualify for LL. Kind of confusing as they were checking frame numbers. I have nothing in this as my rider qualified anyways. Just wondered how others think this should have been handled.
Tough one, and strange one for sure. I think they decided at the race to score the rider, not the bike (or frame), given the bizarre circumstances. They could have black-flagged the rider on the wrong bike, but I'm glad they didn't. By winning the last two motos he certainly showed that he is a capable rider, and I can't imagine a rider picking up the wrong bike on purpose. Seems like an honest mistake... But I don't remember this ever happening before at a qualifying race!

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jjavaman 6/10/2019 6:58am
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^^^^common sense^^^^^^. Look at that
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APLMAN99 6/10/2019 3:45pm
6/10/2019 3:45pm Edited Date/Time 6/10/2019 3:54pm
rryker wrote:
Interesting scene at an amateur event. Guy in 1st and 2nd crash, the first guy gets up and grabs the other riders bike by accident, finishes...
Interesting scene at an amateur event. Guy in 1st and 2nd crash, the first guy gets up and grabs the other riders bike by accident, finishes the race in 10th place on the other riders bike. Rider gets scored in 10th place even though the transponder scored the other rider. Rider then goes on to finish 2, 1 in his next two rounds to qualify for LL. Kind of confusing as they were checking frame numbers. I have nothing in this as my rider qualified anyways. Just wondered how others think this should have been handled.
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Tough one, and strange one for sure. I think they decided at the race to score the rider, not the bike (or frame), given the bizarre...
Tough one, and strange one for sure. I think they decided at the race to score the rider, not the bike (or frame), given the bizarre circumstances. They could have black-flagged the rider on the wrong bike, but I'm glad they didn't. By winning the last two motos he certainly showed that he is a capable rider, and I can't imagine a rider picking up the wrong bike on purpose. Seems like an honest mistake... But I don't remember this ever happening before at a qualifying race!

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The hard part about not enforcing the rule is, now it becomes more and more subjective. The rule doesn't state anything about intent, so using that to decide whether or not to enforce the rule definitely makes any of the rules questionable. It's a tough call, and I'm glad I don't have to decide on it, but sometimes people just have horrible luck and stuff happens. Bending/ignoring the rules based on subjective reasoning usually just invites more criticism.

But if one is considering other factors, like how well he did in his other motos, would it be fair to also take into consideration that he finished first overall in 2 other classes so therefore doesn't need to have qualified in this class? If you start to "reason" with why not to follow a rule, there's usually several other problems that it makes worse, etc.

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SLAPAHO 6/10/2019 4:12pm
6/10/2019 4:12pm Edited Date/Time 6/10/2019 4:13pm
rryker wrote:
Interesting scene at an amateur event. Guy in 1st and 2nd crash, the first guy gets up and grabs the other riders bike by accident, finishes...
Interesting scene at an amateur event. Guy in 1st and 2nd crash, the first guy gets up and grabs the other riders bike by accident, finishes the race in 10th place on the other riders bike. Rider gets scored in 10th place even though the transponder scored the other rider. Rider then goes on to finish 2, 1 in his next two rounds to qualify for LL. Kind of confusing as they were checking frame numbers. I have nothing in this as my rider qualified anyways. Just wondered how others think this should have been handled.
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Tough one, and strange one for sure. I think they decided at the race to score the rider, not the bike (or frame), given the bizarre...
Tough one, and strange one for sure. I think they decided at the race to score the rider, not the bike (or frame), given the bizarre circumstances. They could have black-flagged the rider on the wrong bike, but I'm glad they didn't. By winning the last two motos he certainly showed that he is a capable rider, and I can't imagine a rider picking up the wrong bike on purpose. Seems like an honest mistake... But I don't remember this ever happening before at a qualifying race!

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APLMAN99 wrote:
The hard part about not enforcing the rule is, now it becomes more and more subjective. The rule doesn't state anything about intent, so using that...
The hard part about not enforcing the rule is, now it becomes more and more subjective. The rule doesn't state anything about intent, so using that to decide whether or not to enforce the rule definitely makes any of the rules questionable. It's a tough call, and I'm glad I don't have to decide on it, but sometimes people just have horrible luck and stuff happens. Bending/ignoring the rules based on subjective reasoning usually just invites more criticism.

But if one is considering other factors, like how well he did in his other motos, would it be fair to also take into consideration that he finished first overall in 2 other classes so therefore doesn't need to have qualified in this class? If you start to "reason" with why not to follow a rule, there's usually several other problems that it makes worse, etc.

Exactly. Try telling that to the guy that missed qualifying by 1 spot..... on his own bike.
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steveada 6/11/2019 5:00am
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I think he should have been given a dnf. Riders make unintentional mistakes at every race that put them out of contention. This is no different. If you make a mistake, go down, and put yourself out of a race, it doesn't matter if you go 1,1 in the next two motos. You made a mistake, and even though you were obviously the fastest guy out there, you blew your chance. It sucks, but it happens at every race. This guy made a mistake by picking up the wrong bike, which is against the rules. Also, while he may have not realized he picked up the wrong bike immediately, you can't tell me that he didn't realize pretty quickly that it wasn't his bike, but decided to keep going anyway. It seems pretty black and white to me.
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Beeby 6/11/2019 5:23am
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Who gets on a bike and doesn’t know it’s not theirs?! I could tell if someone moved my levers slightly on my bike, let alone a completely different bike
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Kawi15 6/11/2019 5:33am
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Should not be legal. They should have been black flagged.
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soggy 6/11/2019 5:44am
6/11/2019 5:44am Edited Date/Time 6/11/2019 5:46am
Beeby wrote:
Who gets on a bike and doesn’t know it’s not theirs?! I could tell if someone moved my levers slightly on my bike, let alone a...
Who gets on a bike and doesn’t know it’s not theirs?! I could tell if someone moved my levers slightly on my bike, let alone a completely different bike
might be a little harder to know immediately when your heart rate is 190 and all your thinking is get back up and go. I'm sure he realized soon after he started riding though. Should he have tried to flag the other rider down to switch back? that may or may not work, imo the rider did what he should have and finished the race.
aFACEdismembered 6/11/2019 7:21am
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Beeby wrote:
Who gets on a bike and doesn’t know it’s not theirs?! I could tell if someone moved my levers slightly on my bike, let alone a...
Who gets on a bike and doesn’t know it’s not theirs?! I could tell if someone moved my levers slightly on my bike, let alone a completely different bike
I've seen it happen in the pros before. My memory is fuzzy. I want to say Ferry in Supercross? But before they could ride off the other rider started pointing to their bike and made them realize the mistake.

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