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croom mx 4/26/2009 10:57am
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Now that I have seen the video it looks like KC just go a little squirely and bumped into CR this was no take out and it did not slow CR.
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WhKnuckle 4/26/2009 11:03am
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From the RacerX report, Chisholm did something dumb, but anyone who thinks that affected the eventual outcome is on drugs. Stewart passed Reed, Reed tried to...
From the RacerX report, Chisholm did something dumb, but anyone who thinks that affected the eventual outcome is on drugs. Stewart passed Reed, Reed tried to knock Stewart down by pushing him into the tuffblocks and got by temporarily, Stewart passed him again for good, and then Chisholm did his thing. Regardless, Stewart had the race won unless he fell, which he didn't, and Reed had no chance to win anyway - Reed has never beaten Stewart unless Stewart crashed or broke down since 2002.

I can't imagine L&M coaching Chisholm to do something like that - for one thing, James doesn't need the help; for another, it's hard for a lapper to mess up a front-runner without making it look obvious. The most likely reasons are that either Chisholm saw Reed try to knock Stewart down earlier and took out some retribution, or else Chisholm is like the majority of the racing fraternity and just doesn't like Reed.

Kudos for the AMA DQing Chisholm immediately and taking him off the track, and DQing him for Vegas.

Case Closed. On to Vegas
Yeah, exactly. If you're gonna hit someone, hit 'em like you mean it.

Put Chisholm on any other bike and you go, "man, that was a lousy move." It's like 2003 at SLC when Ferry was racing RC hard and Reed was leading the race - RC was pissed. But if Ferry hadn't been Reed's teammate, it wouldn't have been anything.

If Chisholm had any instructions to help James, you can bet it wasn't to hit Reed while he's being lapped - more like, if Reed gets a bad start and has to come through the pack, race him hard. No team wants something to happen that makes them look bad, puts their star rider in a position where the AMA might dock him points, and invites the other team to retaliate at Vegas. Brooks may not be smart, but he's not that dumb.
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croom mx 4/26/2009 12:22pm
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There were no instructions to help JAMES you guys have been reading to many CIA novels.
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`ol Ger 4/26/2009 12:34pm
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croom mx wrote:
There were no instructions to help JAMES you guys have been reading to many CIA novels.
Good point.

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jeepgirl4u2c 4/26/2009 3:43pm
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Chisholm's back tire was accelerating hard enough to be roosting....good thing chad was moving !
Obiwonkenobi 4/26/2009 3:55pm
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did u guys ever think chisholm didn't know how close reed was to stewart... i'm sure he saw the blue flag and slowed down and let whoever that was passing him by.. in this case it was stewart.. he probably thought since stewart passed him he could get on the gas again.. however reed was that close and it appeared chisholm didn't see reed till the corner and tried to stop and get out of his way.. chisholm like all athletes are competitors and when someone laps you you want to see if you can pick up your pace and try to ride better.. i think chisholm didn't know reed was that close and made a mistake... just a thought though.. like he did try to slow down enough to let reed by but he had too much speed coming off that on off section...and like all year why does james need help to beat reed..he can beat that guy all by himself like countless times before...
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bigcat 4/26/2009 4:05pm
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WhKnuckle wrote:
From the RacerX report, Chisholm did something dumb, but anyone who thinks that affected the eventual outcome is on drugs. Stewart passed Reed, Reed tried to...
From the RacerX report, Chisholm did something dumb, but anyone who thinks that affected the eventual outcome is on drugs. Stewart passed Reed, Reed tried to knock Stewart down by pushing him into the tuffblocks and got by temporarily, Stewart passed him again for good, and then Chisholm did his thing. Regardless, Stewart had the race won unless he fell, which he didn't, and Reed had no chance to win anyway - Reed has never beaten Stewart unless Stewart crashed or broke down since 2002.

I can't imagine L&M coaching Chisholm to do something like that - for one thing, James doesn't need the help; for another, it's hard for a lapper to mess up a front-runner without making it look obvious. The most likely reasons are that either Chisholm saw Reed try to knock Stewart down earlier and took out some retribution, or else Chisholm is like the majority of the racing fraternity and just doesn't like Reed.

Kudos for the AMA DQing Chisholm immediately and taking him off the track, and DQing him for Vegas.

Case Closed. On to Vegas
Why dont you put a link to that story from racerx.

That is certaintly not what i read.

Here is the real race report.


http://www.racerxonline.com/article/salt-lake-city-race-report.aspx
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LaserKing9 4/27/2009 7:36am
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It didn't look like an intentional take-out to me. But seriously, Reed didn't lose much speed or time. Reed took Stewart into a tuff-block and it cut off Stewart's speed and a lot of time. Stewart had it won even if Reed hadn't got clipped. I think Reed knew that and decided to drama-queen it.
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the_wood109 4/27/2009 7:44am
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So; LaserKing9. Do you think there will be any roits?
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Faceaz 4/27/2009 7:49am
4/27/2009 7:49am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 11:36pm
jeepgirl4u2c wrote:
Chisholm's back tire was accelerating hard enough to be roosting....good thing chad was moving !
What are you talking about. KC was braking so hard the rear wheel was off the ground. Don't get me wrong, I think he was helping his teamate & intentionally ran CR high, not sure that he had intent to hit him - he was braking hard. Regardless, probably didn't have an affect on the race, JS had gotten clear enough from CR, that CR couldn't block pass him, or try to run him off the track again.

Got to give credit to JS, he made 3 or 4 passes on CR, everyone was clean, he should be real happy with how he handled himself. On the other hand, every pass by CR was questionable, a block pass, taking him high, running him off the track - actions of a desperate man. Even after he was passed, you could see CR's intent, aiming directly at him in every turn.
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jeffro503 4/27/2009 7:52am
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WhKnuckle wrote:
Hell, he barely touched Reed, he was falling off the bike before he even hit him. Somehow he got all squirrely, almost hit Stewart, dodged him...
Hell, he barely touched Reed, he was falling off the bike before he even hit him. Somehow he got all squirrely, almost hit Stewart, dodged him, and he rode into Reed's rear wheel and highsided. If that was a takeout attempt, Chisholm is going to brush up on his technique.
This is exactly what i have been trying to get across to the rest of the Reed lovers on here. Like i said before , if K.C. wanted to take Reed out....he wouldn't of had a problem in doing so. he friggin' wrecked on his own accord to avoid the take out. I'm glad K.C. is off the track for vegas , as i want it to be a strait up fight between J.S. and C.R.......but it still doesn't change the fact that Reed was a whiney bitch on his televised interview. I also laugh at the part where the Reed fans say that he was to 'shooken up" to keep on pace with J.S. after the contact with K.C......HAHA!! , give me a friggin' break! If anything , it should have fired him up a little.......like it would of made a difference in the outcome. I think reed is more pissed off at himself for not making his little take out moves work better. I saw J.S pass Reed every time extremely clean , but when J.S. was behind Reed , it's like driving behind a garbage truck on a one lane road.
Dirty Britches 4/27/2009 7:59am
4/27/2009 7:59am
like Reed said....who is this Chisholm guy anyway? well, we all know who he is now.
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lopez130 4/27/2009 8:00am
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WhKnuckle wrote:
Hell, he barely touched Reed, he was falling off the bike before he even hit him. Somehow he got all squirrely, almost hit Stewart, dodged him...
Hell, he barely touched Reed, he was falling off the bike before he even hit him. Somehow he got all squirrely, almost hit Stewart, dodged him, and he rode into Reed's rear wheel and highsided. If that was a takeout attempt, Chisholm is going to brush up on his technique.
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This is exactly what i have been trying to get across to the rest of the Reed lovers on here. Like i said before , if...
This is exactly what i have been trying to get across to the rest of the Reed lovers on here. Like i said before , if K.C. wanted to take Reed out....he wouldn't of had a problem in doing so. he friggin' wrecked on his own accord to avoid the take out. I'm glad K.C. is off the track for vegas , as i want it to be a strait up fight between J.S. and C.R.......but it still doesn't change the fact that Reed was a whiney bitch on his televised interview. I also laugh at the part where the Reed fans say that he was to 'shooken up" to keep on pace with J.S. after the contact with K.C......HAHA!! , give me a friggin' break! If anything , it should have fired him up a little.......like it would of made a difference in the outcome. I think reed is more pissed off at himself for not making his little take out moves work better. I saw J.S pass Reed every time extremely clean , but when J.S. was behind Reed , it's like driving behind a garbage truck on a one lane road.
Same as it was for Reed in Jax!
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mxpimp 4/27/2009 8:04am
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WhKnuckle wrote:
When magazines do those anonymous "what rider would you rather not work with?" surveys, Reeds name comes up. He's gotten into fights with his own teammates...
When magazines do those anonymous "what rider would you rather not work with?" surveys, Reeds name comes up. He's gotten into fights with his own teammates, and for years people made snide remarks that Jim Perry should stop acting like Reed's buttboy. Reed has whined and complained since he got here - first about having to ride the 125 class, which he considered beneath his dignity, then about having to ride a YZF250, and every year after that about something, culminating with a rant about how terrible it was to have to ride those awful national tracks. Never mind that he was riding those awful national tracks 30 seconds behind RC.

Heck, Reed should send Chisholm flowers, now he can gripe about that.
Agreed 100%
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zookrider62! 4/27/2009 8:15am
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did u guys ever think chisholm didn't know how close reed was to stewart... i'm sure he saw the blue flag and slowed down and let...
did u guys ever think chisholm didn't know how close reed was to stewart... i'm sure he saw the blue flag and slowed down and let whoever that was passing him by.. in this case it was stewart.. he probably thought since stewart passed him he could get on the gas again.. however reed was that close and it appeared chisholm didn't see reed till the corner and tried to stop and get out of his way.. chisholm like all athletes are competitors and when someone laps you you want to see if you can pick up your pace and try to ride better.. i think chisholm didn't know reed was that close and made a mistake... just a thought though.. like he did try to slow down enough to let reed by but he had too much speed coming off that on off section...and like all year why does james need help to beat reed..he can beat that guy all by himself like countless times before...
If he didnt see Reed he doesnt belong on the track. He clearly looks at Stewart when Reed is on his rear wheel. He let JS by and then accelerates into the s-turns right into Chad. Then KC takes his alternate line through the on-off section straight into Reed. To say he didnt see Reed is idiotic.
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WhKnuckle wrote:
Reed lost about one second on that lap, and that's with all the other lappers and stuff - if Reed can't make up one second in...
Reed lost about one second on that lap, and that's with all the other lappers and stuff - if Reed can't make up one second in 7 laps, he's in tough shape. Stewart was about 3 seconds back after the lap where Reed ran him into the tuffblocks and came back in 3 laps or so.
This isn't just for you Knuck but for everyone who says losing a second doesn't matter.Not to mention the concentration/frustration factor that a mishap like that can cause.


Example: You are racing at your local Chicken Licks raceway. There is a guy who you battle with each week. He is slightly faster than you but sometimes you can beat him if you are in the right place at the right time.You know that if you pressure him,he sometimes messes up. Also that when you are right behind him,you learn new lines as well as new technique. So,you go to the line and you are told that you have the choice to start side by side with your opponent or let him have a second head start.What do you do?.....what do you do?Now put millions of dollars on it. Tongue

Just playin' but my point is,Reed gave a good race by fighting back and repassing James a couple times. As fans,we win. Pressure has caused guys(including James) to falter. I've pressured guys into mistakes and had it done to me too. With Reed being so close and then losing even a fraction it changed the possible outcome of the final laps,and the fans lost out. Maybe it was just Chizm whiskey throttle, but it DID make a difference.JMO of course.
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peelout719 4/27/2009 9:05am
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reed was closer to stewart and staying right on him when it happened.

it may not have cost him much time at all, but the concentration shift would be monumental.

we're talking about the 2 fastest guys in the sport. a slight lapse in concentration could end the entire deal. and that's what happened.

i'm just happy to say i was there, and i got to witness the 2 fastest guys in the sport battle for 16 laps. the crowd was fucking PISSED when chisolm pulled that shit.
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WhKnuckle wrote:
From the RacerX report, Chisholm did something dumb, but anyone who thinks that affected the eventual outcome is on drugs. Stewart passed Reed, Reed tried to...
From the RacerX report, Chisholm did something dumb, but anyone who thinks that affected the eventual outcome is on drugs. Stewart passed Reed, Reed tried to knock Stewart down by pushing him into the tuffblocks and got by temporarily, Stewart passed him again for good, and then Chisholm did his thing. Regardless, Stewart had the race won unless he fell, which he didn't, and Reed had no chance to win anyway - Reed has never beaten Stewart unless Stewart crashed or broke down since 2002.

I can't imagine L&M coaching Chisholm to do something like that - for one thing, James doesn't need the help; for another, it's hard for a lapper to mess up a front-runner without making it look obvious. The most likely reasons are that either Chisholm saw Reed try to knock Stewart down earlier and took out some retribution, or else Chisholm is like the majority of the racing fraternity and just doesn't like Reed.

Kudos for the AMA DQing Chisholm immediately and taking him off the track, and DQing him for Vegas.

Case Closed. On to Vegas
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zookrider62! 4/27/2009 9:19am
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who would have thought R-acer agrees with a post against Reed, now ive read everything!
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rallendude 4/27/2009 9:32am
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The statement that Reed hasn't beaten Stewart since 2002 is also a crock. Reed has won races this year. Stewart did fall down but he fell in front of Reed. Stewart can ride around all night at 80% and never make a mistake.

But everyone who follows SX knows that Stewart is prone to making huge mistakes when the pressure is on. That's how you beat Stewart. No one is going to run him down on their own but running out front and forcing him to push will cause him to crash. Chasing closely behind will do the same.

We've seen it about 4 ot 5 times a year for the past 6 or 8 years. That's the way RC beat him. Ride the ragged edge until he face plants and then cruise to the win. Reed knows this and Chiz' move gave Stewart the gap he needed to win comfortably.
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MX558 4/27/2009 9:41am
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WhKnuckle wrote:
When magazines do those anonymous "what rider would you rather not work with?" surveys, Reeds name comes up. He's gotten into fights with his own teammates...
When magazines do those anonymous "what rider would you rather not work with?" surveys, Reeds name comes up. He's gotten into fights with his own teammates, and for years people made snide remarks that Jim Perry should stop acting like Reed's buttboy. Reed has whined and complained since he got here - first about having to ride the 125 class, which he considered beneath his dignity, then about having to ride a YZF250, and every year after that about something, culminating with a rant about how terrible it was to have to ride those awful national tracks. Never mind that he was riding those awful national tracks 30 seconds behind RC.

Heck, Reed should send Chisholm flowers, now he can gripe about that.
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Well, I know a lot of people who have no problem with and like Reed
You are basing your opinion on anonymous crap?
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It's hard for a guy who wins races to piss everyone off. But Reed has pissed off more people than most 2X supercross champs.
no just you fuck head !
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WhipMeister 4/27/2009 9:50am
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It didn't look like an intentional take-out to me. But seriously, Reed didn't lose much speed or time. Reed took Stewart into a tuff-block and it...
It didn't look like an intentional take-out to me. But seriously, Reed didn't lose much speed or time. Reed took Stewart into a tuff-block and it cut off Stewart's speed and a lot of time. Stewart had it won even if Reed hadn't got clipped. I think Reed knew that and decided to drama-queen it.
You must not do much racing.

You don't completely ignore the tight inside line you set yourself up for and jump all the way out to the berm (with no lean, no turn, no square off) unless there's something out there on the rail you'd like to take a closer look at.

He just executed it poorly. He shoulda kept it pinned. Then we'd REALLY have something to talk about this week!

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