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agn5009 3/24/2019 5:58am
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JustMX wrote:
Our sport sure looks amateur sometimes. Nobody knowing what was going on last night is the perfect example. Interview marv, he doesn't know if he is...

Our sport sure looks amateur sometimes.

Nobody knowing what was going on last night is the perfect example.

Interview marv, he doesn't know if he is the winner.

Kr is not sure.

The interview cw2 in case Marvin gets kicked out of the top 3.

And a 5 time champion, former team owner, and color announcer is saying that it would cost Marvin the win.

Maybe not all of us keep up with rule modification. It really isn't our job.

However, if you are a professional rider making a very good living in our sport, a color announcer that is there to give insight, or a producer directing interviews, it would be nice if you know what is going on.
agn5009 wrote:
Have you ever watched an NFL game? When a player is hit with an unnecessary roughness penalty does the announcer know what that players fine or...
Have you ever watched an NFL game? When a player is hit with an unnecessary roughness penalty does the announcer know what that players fine or penalty is gonna be after the game? No? I didn’t think so. Why would you expect Carmichael to know what the penalty is gonna be? He’s there to announce the race action, not know the AMA rule book down to a T.
wolf918 wrote:
Uh yeah, they usually have a pretty good idea within a minute of it happening. You know why? Because the commentators are actually great at there...
Uh yeah, they usually have a pretty good idea within a minute of it happening. You know why? Because the commentators are actually great at there jobs. Not to mention the refs do a much better job at having some kind of standard when it comes to making calls. They do however slip now and then.
Lol you obviously don’t watch the NFL then. Everything you’ve just said is 100% incorrect Laughing
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Jasper125 wrote:
In addition to this they also should dock him the time that he made up in that section. What does the rule book say about jumping...
In addition to this they also should dock him the time that he made up in that section. What does the rule book say about jumping under the red cross flag in a heat or an lcq they cant cut the points in that situation. That will add up on the inconsistency from ama having a rule with 2 different outcomes depending on the type of race...
agn5009 wrote:
Stop trying to hand Roczen the win by technicality. I’m sure Roczen doesn’t want to be gifted his first win since returning from injury. Also, why...
Stop trying to hand Roczen the win by technicality. I’m sure Roczen doesn’t want to be gifted his first win since returning from injury.

Also, why penalize Marvin twice? That makes no sense. They followed the rule book and penalized him appropriately. End of story.
Jasper125 wrote:
I don't want Roczen to win i want Roczen to beat everybody straight up also i want a fair rule that makes sense neither happend in...
I don't want Roczen to win i want Roczen to beat everybody straight up also i want a fair rule that makes sense neither happend in Seattle.
The rule is fair. They literally Gave Marvin the penalty by the book. What penalty do you feel would have been appropriate for Marvin?
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But they gave Marvin exactly the penalty that is in the rulebook. I don't understand the issue? They followed the rulebook. Jeremy Martin got the same...
But they gave Marvin exactly the penalty that is in the rulebook. I don't understand the issue? They followed the rulebook. Jeremy Martin got the same penalty last year and everyone was fine with it.
CPR wrote:
Yes they followed the rule book THIS time, but were very slow in doing so.
It's all the other inconsistencies that gives everyone the shits.
agn5009 wrote:
You’re just complaining just to complain now. Took too much time? Now you wanna whine because the crew reviewed the incident, discussed it and made a...
You’re just complaining just to complain now. Took too much time? Now you wanna whine because the crew reviewed the incident, discussed it and made a decision within a few hours? I don’t know the exact amount of time it took to hand down the penalty but it was under a few hours.

Then you’re complaining because they followed the rule book THIS time? Seriously? Why not whine when they don’t follow the rule book. why whine when they do it right?

My god. Bunch of damn whiners around here.
Go back and read what I said, carefully this time please, you know, like one word at a time, in order, in sentences, and then try and comprehend before going off half cocked.
Was saying it's all the previous inconsistencies......
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Spudinki45 3/24/2019 6:08am
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Guaranteed if it was Roczen instead of Musquin jumping on the red cross flag and winning the race everybody would be pissed, just because of his story of getting his first win.
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agn5009 wrote:
The rule is fair. They literally Gave Marvin the penalty by the book. What penalty do you feel would have been appropriate for Marvin?
Yeah they followed the rule book. But also think it's a bad rule. If normal 10th place rider is leading a race there's little incentive to abide by a red cross flag. But yeah in Marvs case it's a big penalty.
Squirrelings 3/24/2019 6:19am
3/24/2019 6:19am
Some of you seem to be having a hard time understanding. It's pretty cut and dry on this one. He got what the book says. I actually wanted Marvin to gain points on Webb, but I do think the rule on red cross jumping is BS. He gets 4th place points and no prize money (who gives a shit about peanuts) yet is still the winner. Makes this sport look like a joke which I'm starting to think more and more that it is. After some of the rulings the past few weeks, I'm over this shit. I couldn't care less who wins this title anymore and I'll only watch if there's nothing better to do.
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agn5009 3/24/2019 6:20am
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agn5009 wrote:
The rule is fair. They literally Gave Marvin the penalty by the book. What penalty do you feel would have been appropriate for Marvin?
Gas7 wrote:
Yeah they followed the rule book. But also think it's a bad rule. If normal 10th place rider is leading a race there's little incentive to...
Yeah they followed the rule book. But also think it's a bad rule. If normal 10th place rider is leading a race there's little incentive to abide by a red cross flag. But yeah in Marvs case it's a big penalty.
So what a fair rule then?
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barnett468 3/24/2019 6:43am
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mx617 wrote:
Dafuq is everyone so pissy about? He got penalized exactly what the rulebook states. Instead of a 7 point gap it stays at 14. You guys...
Dafuq is everyone so pissy about? He got penalized exactly what the rulebook states. Instead of a 7 point gap it stays at 14. You guys wants him hung and quartered? Or you just want to make up rules for the guy you don't like?
You miss the entire point, which is that just because there is a rule, it does not mean that it is a fair or reasonable one, and that it should not be changed.

One good rule used to be that a rider had to re-enter the track where he went off, but obviously that rule was changed, so who decided that that rule was bad and implemented their own new rule?
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crusty_xx 3/24/2019 6:48am
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Jasper125 wrote:
In addition to this they also should dock him the time that he made up in that section. What does the rule book say about jumping...
In addition to this they also should dock him the time that he made up in that section. What does the rule book say about jumping under the red cross flag in a heat or an lcq they cant cut the points in that situation. That will add up on the inconsistency from ama having a rule with 2 different outcomes depending on the type of race...
agn5009 wrote:
Stop trying to hand Roczen the win by technicality. I’m sure Roczen doesn’t want to be gifted his first win since returning from injury. Also, why...
Stop trying to hand Roczen the win by technicality. I’m sure Roczen doesn’t want to be gifted his first win since returning from injury.

Also, why penalize Marvin twice? That makes no sense. They followed the rule book and penalized him appropriately. End of story.
Jasper125 wrote:
I don't want Roczen to win i want Roczen to beat everybody straight up also i want a fair rule that makes sense neither happend in...
I don't want Roczen to win i want Roczen to beat everybody straight up also i want a fair rule that makes sense neither happend in Seattle.
Had they not mellowed out the whoops Roczen would have won by a mile, I'm pretty sure.
He was amazing in them all day
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agn5009 wrote:
Stop trying to hand Roczen the win by technicality. I’m sure Roczen doesn’t want to be gifted his first win since returning from injury. Also, why...
Stop trying to hand Roczen the win by technicality. I’m sure Roczen doesn’t want to be gifted his first win since returning from injury.

Also, why penalize Marvin twice? That makes no sense. They followed the rule book and penalized him appropriately. End of story.
Jasper125 wrote:
I don't want Roczen to win i want Roczen to beat everybody straight up also i want a fair rule that makes sense neither happend in...
I don't want Roczen to win i want Roczen to beat everybody straight up also i want a fair rule that makes sense neither happend in Seattle.
agn5009 wrote:
The rule is fair. They literally Gave Marvin the penalty by the book. What penalty do you feel would have been appropriate for Marvin?
Ummmm. you are obviously quite wrong because not everyone thinks that rule is fair which it is not imo, and I used to be a professional racer and still race now.

It might be a better idea to have the riders vote on any rules since it us their lives and safety that is on the line, not felds or the ama officials etc, but that might make way too much since, lol.
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Johnny Depp 3/24/2019 6:54am
3/24/2019 6:54am Edited Date/Time 3/24/2019 7:52am
Dustin_Raffensparger wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/03/24/333802/s1200_Screenshot_20190324_011330_Dropbox.jpg[/img]

So does clear of the incident include the face of the jump the rider is laying on and the tuff block is blocking? The camera pans away, so there may have been other offenses. but it clearly shows a Kawi, a KTM then a Honda and a Yamaha (not on HD so others can confirm the identity) jumping from the location in question.

Does the rule only apply to the leader? Rule 6 and 7 indicate it is an infraction.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SupercrossLIVE/status/1109700233770881024
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barnett468 3/24/2019 7:01am
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agn5009 wrote:
Stop trying to hand Roczen the win by technicality. I’m sure Roczen doesn’t want to be gifted his first win since returning from injury. Also, why...
Stop trying to hand Roczen the win by technicality. I’m sure Roczen doesn’t want to be gifted his first win since returning from injury.

Also, why penalize Marvin twice? That makes no sense. They followed the rule book and penalized him appropriately. End of story.
Jasper125 wrote:
I don't want Roczen to win i want Roczen to beat everybody straight up also i want a fair rule that makes sense neither happend in...
I don't want Roczen to win i want Roczen to beat everybody straight up also i want a fair rule that makes sense neither happend in Seattle.
crusty_xx wrote:
Had they not mellowed out the whoops Roczen would have won by a mile, I'm pretty sure.
He was amazing in them all day
If this, if that, if there really was a santa clause, if's are irrelevant.
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GeorgiePorgie 3/24/2019 7:03am
3/24/2019 7:03am
agn5009 wrote:
The rule is fair. They literally Gave Marvin the penalty by the book. What penalty do you feel would have been appropriate for Marvin?
Gas7 wrote:
Yeah they followed the rule book. But also think it's a bad rule. If normal 10th place rider is leading a race there's little incentive to...
Yeah they followed the rule book. But also think it's a bad rule. If normal 10th place rider is leading a race there's little incentive to abide by a red cross flag. But yeah in Marvs case it's a big penalty.
agn5009 wrote:
So what a fair rule then?
Something as serious as a Red Cross infraction.....DQ. It would happen once in the sport. And never happen again.
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GeorgiePorgie 3/24/2019 7:04am
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Jasper125 wrote:
I don't want Roczen to win i want Roczen to beat everybody straight up also i want a fair rule that makes sense neither happend in...
I don't want Roczen to win i want Roczen to beat everybody straight up also i want a fair rule that makes sense neither happend in Seattle.
agn5009 wrote:
The rule is fair. They literally Gave Marvin the penalty by the book. What penalty do you feel would have been appropriate for Marvin?
barnett468 wrote:
Ummmm. you are obviously quite wrong because not everyone thinks that rule is fair which it is not imo, and I used to be a professional...
Ummmm. you are obviously quite wrong because not everyone thinks that rule is fair which it is not imo, and I used to be a professional racer and still race now.

It might be a better idea to have the riders vote on any rules since it us their lives and safety that is on the line, not felds or the ama officials etc, but that might make way too much since, lol.
Alright former Pro, get out there and organize the riders union if you think they should vote.
theprizefighter 3/24/2019 7:15am
3/24/2019 7:15am
So if they don’t follow the rule book to the letter you guys complain, and when they do follow the rule book to the letter, you guys complain. Doesn’t get much dumber than that.
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barnett468 3/24/2019 7:16am
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Alright former Pro, get out there and organize the riders union if you think they should vote.
So do you think that the riders, or other people should not be allowed to vote on things that may have a direct affect on them?
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GeorgiePorgie 3/24/2019 7:19am
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Not at all. But this side rail conversation happens all the time. So to curtail it I merely suggested you organize a union.

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GeorgiePorgie 3/24/2019 7:20am
3/24/2019 7:20am Edited Date/Time 3/24/2019 7:24am
And the rule isn’t really crystal clear. f. Allows them to change the rule to whatever the hell they want to change it to at any time. For any reason.

But in this case they didn’t change it. But a slew of other riders weren’t penalized either. So like others have pointed out it can kinda water down the rule. If they’re not winning or in a points chase. Pin it who cares. Although I doubt there’s any riders that douschey to be that blatant.
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mxracer816 3/24/2019 7:24am
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JustMX wrote:
Our sport sure looks amateur sometimes. Nobody knowing what was going on last night is the perfect example. Interview marv, he doesn't know if he is...

Our sport sure looks amateur sometimes.

Nobody knowing what was going on last night is the perfect example.

Interview marv, he doesn't know if he is the winner.

Kr is not sure.

The interview cw2 in case Marvin gets kicked out of the top 3.

And a 5 time champion, former team owner, and color announcer is saying that it would cost Marvin the win.

Maybe not all of us keep up with rule modification. It really isn't our job.

However, if you are a professional rider making a very good living in our sport, a color announcer that is there to give insight, or a producer directing interviews, it would be nice if you know what is going on.
This right here is spot on. In the past two years I've slowly migrated over to dirt track oval racing. More tracks close to the house, actually has a decent payout almost every weekend, and still get an adrenaline rush frequently. Anyway, my point is, almost every guy on that track and their crew know their set of rules front to back, can probably recite them from memory. How do these guys do this for SERIOUS amounts of money every year and not have a clue what the rules are? Blows my mind....
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TY838 3/24/2019 7:39am
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agn5009 wrote:
The rule is fair. They literally Gave Marvin the penalty by the book. What penalty do you feel would have been appropriate for Marvin?
Gas7 wrote:
Yeah they followed the rule book. But also think it's a bad rule. If normal 10th place rider is leading a race there's little incentive to...
Yeah they followed the rule book. But also think it's a bad rule. If normal 10th place rider is leading a race there's little incentive to abide by a red cross flag. But yeah in Marvs case it's a big penalty.
agn5009 wrote:
So what a fair rule then?
Not sure about the red cross flag rule, seems fair enough but something needs to be done about this heel-clicker business with #25. That was a cool trick bro when K-Dub was doing it in 1996 but I firmly believe a penalty needs to be installed in the rulebook as long as MM is an active rider!
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barnett468 3/24/2019 7:46am
3/24/2019 7:46am Edited Date/Time 3/24/2019 7:49am
GeorgiePorgie wrote:
Not at all. But this side rail conversation happens all the time. So to curtail it I merely suggested you organize a union.
Doesn't seem to be a "side rail" conversation to me since others are complaining about the rule as well, and simply complaining about a rule on an internet forum is utterly pointless towards trying to get it changed. At least I made a suggestion that is one reasonable option to look at instead of simply saying the rules suck like several others here often do.
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WWE....... Been saying it a longggggg time...
crusty_xx 3/24/2019 7:53am
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Jasper125 wrote:
I don't want Roczen to win i want Roczen to beat everybody straight up also i want a fair rule that makes sense neither happend in...
I don't want Roczen to win i want Roczen to beat everybody straight up also i want a fair rule that makes sense neither happend in Seattle.
crusty_xx wrote:
Had they not mellowed out the whoops Roczen would have won by a mile, I'm pretty sure.
He was amazing in them all day
barnett468 wrote:
If this, if that, if there really was a santa clause, if's are irrelevant.
Do you see any IF in my post?

I was talking to the guy that wants to see Roczen beat everybody straight up. I pointed out that he could have done that last night. So he can likely repeat it and win without needing somebody in front of him be removed by a DNQ.
crusty_xx 3/24/2019 7:55am
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GeorgiePorgie wrote:
Not at all. But this side rail conversation happens all the time. So to curtail it I merely suggested you organize a union.
barnett468 wrote:
Doesn't seem to be a "side rail" conversation to me since others are complaining about the rule as well, and simply complaining about a rule on...
Doesn't seem to be a "side rail" conversation to me since others are complaining about the rule as well, and simply complaining about a rule on an internet forum is utterly pointless towards trying to get it changed. At least I made a suggestion that is one reasonable option to look at instead of simply saying the rules suck like several others here often do.
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These suggestions have to be made BEFORE an incident like that happens.
If the teams or riders are unhappy with that rule - say it and try to change it.
But to complain after it happened and the rule got applied EXACTLY how it is described in the rule-book is pretty dumb - doesn't matter if it's online or not.
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I am dead set against any penalty structure that results in less than full points and full purse being paid for an event. If you are penalized the guy behind you should get first place points and money. NASCAR started doing this crap and accelerated their downfall.
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wolf918 3/24/2019 8:07am
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agn5009 wrote:
Have you ever watched an NFL game? When a player is hit with an unnecessary roughness penalty does the announcer know what that players fine or...
Have you ever watched an NFL game? When a player is hit with an unnecessary roughness penalty does the announcer know what that players fine or penalty is gonna be after the game? No? I didn’t think so. Why would you expect Carmichael to know what the penalty is gonna be? He’s there to announce the race action, not know the AMA rule book down to a T.
wolf918 wrote:
Uh yeah, they usually have a pretty good idea within a minute of it happening. You know why? Because the commentators are actually great at there...
Uh yeah, they usually have a pretty good idea within a minute of it happening. You know why? Because the commentators are actually great at there jobs. Not to mention the refs do a much better job at having some kind of standard when it comes to making calls. They do however slip now and then.
agn5009 wrote:
Lol you obviously don’t watch the NFL then. Everything you’ve just said is 100% incorrect Laughing
You must be a patriots fan lol
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barnett468 3/24/2019 8:09am
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Do you see any IF in my post? I was talking to the guy that wants to see Roczen beat everybody straight up. I pointed out...
Do you see any IF in my post?

I was talking to the guy that wants to see Roczen beat everybody straight up. I pointed out that he could have done that last night. So he can likely repeat it and win without needing somebody in front of him be removed by a DNQ.
ummmm....yes....in general "Had" = "IF", in the context that you used it, which you might know had you (or if you had ) made it past 3rd grade.
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Dirtydeeds 3/24/2019 8:13am
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That sucks.


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barnett468 3/24/2019 8:17am
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That sucks. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/03/24/333819/s1200_DDD1C408_C7BA_430E_BFDE_7D38411100A5.jpg[/img]
That sucks.


"That sucks."

Sure fkng does.

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